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Anyone try this in an AR? Sounds like a great deer to smaller game cartridge.

It uses 223/556 as parent case, same bolt, and same magazine. Just necked up to 25 caliber with RCBS dies. Is flat shooting and has enough energy at 300 yards to kill a deer.

Sounds like it would be cheaper than a 6.5 Grendel or a 458 SOCOM for hunting .

Just wondering if anyone has actually used one to hunt with.
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I wonder when Ruger will make one for the MINI-14 etc.
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I wonder when Ruger will make one for the MINI-14 etc.
About this time.
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Anyone try this in an AR? Sounds like a great deer to smaller game cartridge.

It uses 223/556 as parent case, same bolt, and same magazine. Just necked up to 25 caliber with RCBS dies. Is flat shooting and has enough energy at 300 yards to kill a deer.

Sounds like it would be cheaper than a 6.5 Grendel or a 458 SOCOM for hunting .

Just wondering if anyone has actually used one to hunt with.
Who sells uppers/barrels and ammo/brass for it?
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i use 5.56 for deer hunting and it works great, and the deer we get here up north are bigger than the tiny ones you get down south
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i use 5.56 for deer hunting and it works great, and the deer we get here up north are bigger than the tiny ones you get down south
Same here make ones head shots count and they are Dead Right There. JMHO and S/FI!
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Sharpe Rifle company makes the uppers and RCBS makes the dies for reloading.

https://www.srcarms.com/

I think another company makes ammo now. It uses a 0.257 bullet. 87 gr is the optimum, but you can get 100 gr and 75 or 77 grain bullets if you reload. Someone tried all three bullet sizes and the 87 actually did better than the other two sizes, especially shooting through cement blocks on the YouTube video.

I'm very interested, but..... don't know. I make 35 Whelen from 30-06 brass and 300 B.O. from 223 brass. I've never shot a deer beyond 100 yards, so 300 B.O. is all I need. I got the 35 Whelen in case I get to go to Alaska one day. (Poor mans 338 mag at shorter ranges > 250-300 yards). Of course I still have 223 and 308 for 90% of what is needed. Anything else is nich guns. Love a 44 mag lever gun too.
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Same here make ones head shots count and they are Dead Right There. JMHO and S/FI!
nope, right behind the shoulder like you would with any rifle drops them on the spot, thats where i hit them with PCCs too
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nope, right behind the shoulder like you would with any rifle drops them on the spot, thats where i hit them with PCCs too
I have never tried body shots on deer with a 223 , hogs yes about 50% of the time and they drop DRT just the same. If I get into a group of hogs I usually head shoot the first the one I really want to eat then just start knocking the rest down till they are out of range and sight. S/FI!

I use 64 Grn Power Points and 65 Grn Sierra Game Kings what is your preference up North?
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65 grain sierra game kings are the ideal hunting bullet for those who load their own, i think the 64 grain power points are pretty much the same though
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This guy doesn't seem to think very highly of it.

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...-new-ar-round/
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if you look at a proper ballistics chart showing you drop, and energy of 25-45, 6.5 grendel, 6.8SPC, and compare it to 77 grain 5.56mm, at every increment along the way, ask yourself is the improvement they offer so significant it justifies all the problems that come with the different caliber.. more expensive ammo, non standard parts, bolt failure issues in the case of grendel, etc, and not having a good supply of cheap practice ammo?.. my opinion on that has always been "no," the small gains arent worth the laundry list of downsides
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if you look at a proper ballistics chart showing you drop, and energy of 25-45, 6.5 grendel, 6.8SPC, and compare it to 77 grain 5.56mm, at every increment along the way, ask yourself is the improvement they offer so significant it justifies all the problems that come with the different caliber.. more expensive ammo, non standard parts, bolt failure issues in the case of grendel, etc, and not having a good supply of cheap practice ammo?.. my opinion on that has always been "no," the small gains arent worth the laundry list of downsides
You’re wrong.

The problems...lolz. Your internet Google fu combined, with your lack of actually doing it, is holding you back. Any failure you will find will be a statistical anomaly from a sample set of parts. Nobody is posting their bolt non failures, as an example.

Now as far as no gains...please.

Compare the 123 gr SST to 77 gr after 300m the BC of the 6.5 has huge real world gains in drift. Not to mention the energy of the round out to 500m. Then there is the ability for the bullet to expand.

Now you’re going to say but...mmmm...100 yds you Fudd. I retort with...WTF do you need a 77 gr SMK at 100 yards.

What I just wrote isn’t my ballistic chart BS either. It’s real world shooting experience on steel and game. .223 bolt, .223 gas in a variety of barrel lengths both suppressed and non. Grendel suppressed and non. 224 Valkyrie (not suppressed nor have I shot game yet)

Go shoot your 16” PSA Freedom build with your Vortex razor and 77 SMKs at 500m in 5 to 15 mph variable cross wind at 6” target and let me know how that 30” ish drift works out for you. Make sure to use your proper ballistic charts to dope your rifle in before going. You’ll save on ammo costs that way....

We all get it. You’re convinced that a .223 will do all. You’re right in a lot of ways. But dead wrong in its’ perfection for all situations.

OP, FWIW the Sharps is a neat idea on paper. Since I don’t own one, have not shot one or harvested an animal with it all I can say is on paper I seems to preform similar to the 6.5 Grendel. Grendel ammo is cheap (HORNADY) now that Big Box seems to be carrying it like the Creedmoor. It’s not always in stock like the Creedmoor. I can honestly say I’ve never seen the Sharps ammo in a store.
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25-45 Sharpes is Kinda of a "Why Bother Round". Most deer hunters shoot 1 or two boxes from their rifle a year and take an average of one deer or less per season.

Wonder what the price per pound of "Bambi" is when you include everything required for a hunt. I know its a sport, past time, tradition, etc. Just saying, you can buy a lot of prime rib for the money spent, etc.

"Over 10 million people spend nearly $6 Billion to hunt deer in the United States each year. Over 6 million deer are killed during the hunting season, based on state agency records."Which equates to $1,000 for those that actually get a deer amortized across all hopeful hunters. 50lbs or (much) less average edible meat equals $20.00 a pound at the least.

Yup, math ruins everything. Whatever you do, don't divide of the total cost of having a wife by the number of times annually you actually get to have sex. Don't want you guys to start "offing" yourselves, LOL.

Looks like, besides the barrel, its just buying ammo for the caliber. If deer hunting floats your boat, go for it, who cares. a case of 500 rounds would last for more than 25 years of a typical hunter's needs.

If this is for post SHTF only, skip it. First off, if you have to hunt to live, you're doing it all wrong and are going to die. Invest in long term food and water supplies now, including medical, etc. In post SHTF a 5.56 round will kill a 120lbs deer easily, screw whether its legal. Bigger animal, take your pick, 1 round up to 30 rounds (Grizzly/Polar Bear).

Wandering around in a post SHTF world is a good way to get killed quick. Stay home and eat your Mac & Cheese.

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.223/5.56 can do almost all within my current skill level and local environment.

Within 150 yards and no large dangerous game. East Texas piney woods.

I put all the "power at range" and bullet weight arguments to rest by shooting .308 out of my C308 at usually 100 yards or less, or if I need heavier, my Enfield No4 Mk1 comes out with 178 grain bullets.

Working on my 3rd AR, and it will be..... yep, .223/556. Like the other two.
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I thought about this one when it came out. After a little research I couldnt find anything that it could do that my 6x45 I already have could do for all intents and purposes. While not commercial available (IIRC), forming the cases is as simple as running a 5.56 case through a expander die opening the case to 6mm. I also have the equipment to swage my own 24 cal bullets from spent 22 rim fire cases. The 25-45 is a bit more potent velocity and bullet weight wise but not by much. The 6x45 performs great on medium sized game out to 300 yards in my experience. I would imagine the 25-45 would be right there with it just as well!
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If this caliber came into play (with a strong marketing attempt) 60 years ago against the 556 then this caliber would possibly have had a strong following and presence today...

Perfect example of a very capable cartridge that came in a little to late in the game.
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Long story short after a couple of typing fiascos.

Having been much too close to momma moose and her calf, and two amorous bulls a couple of years ago, armed with only a .223, I decided that more power and range were a good thing.
I considered the Sharps but the 6.8 makes more sense for our uses.

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From an ammo availability & performance point I'm not sure what it offers for real-world situations that other "legacy" calibers don't.

Once upon a time (when i was stationed out west) most of our group shot 7mm or .30 cal firearms in different guns of some sort (7mmRem Mag, 7mm Mauser, 7mm Weatherby/mag, etc) including a number of TC Contenders for metallic silhouette competitions. This was pre-internet days so reloading components were a bit limited. Because so many of us shot the same calibers it was cheaper to buy in bulk and load for the specific firearm/cartridge. Many of our group used 7mm (and a few 6mm) along with 6mm/7mm TCU for their Contenders and also a few re-barreled AR's of the latter/ As I was one that did a large portion of the reloading for our team I liked the 7mmTCU was a breeze to reload and was wicked on coyotes especially when the evening winds were kicking up. The nice thing about the AR was the capability to take out multiple yotes without moving to work the bolt.

These days my family/group has a LOT of 30 cals so that is what we stock along with casting a variety of .310 - .312 with the dies & powder to reload many times over. Since the 300BO is readily available I haven't taken a look at the old 7mmTCU but had we had more 7mm than 7.62s in our collective it would have been high on my list to revisit.

The point of this long-winded post is that unless you already have a .25cal that you already load for then why introduce yet another set of components into the equation.
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One of the reasons I brought this up is there are a lot of states that do not allow anything below a 243 caliber to hunt deer. The 25-45 solves that problems. I'm not talking about survival or in a SHTF situation. It does give hunters in those states a way to use their AR to hunt with.

Also, some people have older AR's with a different twist rate and they cannot handle 77 gr 223 bullets accurately.

Again, it takes the SAME bolt as 223, and the SAME magazines. Only a barrel change, or upper change. More downrange energy than 223 even if in 77 gr bullets, as you have more cross sectional density. More downrange energy than the 300 blackout over 100 yards. Great for reloaders as it only requires a neck up on 223 case and maybe trim length. Uses 25 caliber bullets. No new brass to buy as 223 brass can be found all over ranges. Only 25 caliber bullets off the shelf.
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