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Old 06-29-2019, 08:51 PM
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Nobody was faster than Bob Munden, and at reasonable distances he probably drew and fired 2x faster than half of us, and beat the other half for slow fire accuracy while holding that speed! And pretty sure I'm understating his abilities by quite a bit.

I liked the way he put it when describing his instinct shooting. It wasn't "not aiming"; his brain computed where the gun has to be to hit the target and he just did it. Took practice, and he used a full size, full weight .45 Colt, not some pot metal quick draw gun.

Some mention aiming when it's a big pistol, only. By my figuring, it'll take most people more time to line up the big guns sights, due to the more noticeable variation when the sights aren't perfectly lined up due to the longer sight radius.
Bob Munden was also a freak of nature.
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Bob Munden was also a freak of nature.
Well sure he was. But he trained that way. No training, or practice, and he would have shot like a regular slob.

His excellence isn't really a reason to not take a lesson from the way he did it.
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WAAAAYYYYY back when ammo was CHEAP (we used to buy 50s production French corrosive ball .45acp from Interarms in 50,000 round orders, DELIVERED for 3/4 of a CENT a round.)

Anyway there were a dozen of us who would shoot every weekend winter summer whatever because the ammo was cheap and berdan primed so who cared about brass. The ring leader of the group was our gunsmith, who shot his 1911 with no sights.

We would run the various courses that were popular waaayyy back when and he would always be int he top 5 regardless of the course or range unless we got out to 50yds and beyond. Then again he had over 100,000 rounds on that gun so he had a pretty good idea where it shot.

so, if you practice you can do pretty good without them.
Leatherslap speed drills 10 yards or less I never used sights and could always beat the folks who did on speed and score. .. but that is something I practiced to the tune of at least 25-30,000 rounds a year just doing the quick draw drills against a timer. Do the practice and within reasonable distance you don't need sights. Your skill level will determine what is reasonable.
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Well sure he was. But he trained that way. No training, or practice, and he would have shot like a regular slob.

His excellence isn't really a reason to not take a lesson from the way he did it.
There were a couple of tests run on him, the most famous of which was an episode of Superhuman. The consensus from everyone that has actually looked at him is that he was, in fact, not even close to "normal," particularly in regards to his fast twitch muscles, or his hand/eye coordination.

Yes, practice had something to do with it, but in regards to shooting, he was far from a "regular slob" in terms of natural gifts. Much like you or I had no chance of ever playing in the NFL, regardless of how much practice we put in.

It's one thing to argue whether unsighted fire is a valid method. It's a completely different thing to argue that because a guy like Bob Munden could do what he did, that it is likely for others to do it.
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It's one thing to argue whether unsighted fire is a valid method. It's a completely different thing to argue that because a guy like Bob Munden could do what he did, that it is likely for others to do it.
I agree, most would probably have difficulty doing what Munden and a few others do/did, but on the other side of that, many if not most, dont normally put in the effort to be even a quarter as good.

The more time and effort you put into anything, the more you benefit and improve.

What Ive generally found is, and this is about most things, you get the most flack from people who dont/cant do something, and usually havent even bothered to try to do it.

This is all an ongoing learning curve. You can choose to learn, or you can choose to pass, its all up to you what you want out of things.

I always fall back on the old "Bruce Lee School of Thinking" and try to learn as much as I can, about as much as I can, and then take from that, the parts that are useful and work best for me. You dont get caught up in following a specific discipline and waste time and effort on things or parts that may not really apply.


On a side note about Munden, he was also a good gunsmith and a really nice guy. I dealt with him, and his wife on the phone back in the late 90's, when I picked up one of the early Cimmaron SAA's when they first came out. Had it about a week and the trigger bound up and wanst working properly.

Dont remember exactly how I found out to send it to him, Im thinking they had an ad in the SGN or Gun List, but I called, and talked to his wife. She said send it to them and he would look at it.

I did, he called me back, said what he thought the problem was, and what it would cost, which was less than a hundred dollars. Apparently, this was a pretty common thing for him at the time with the Italian SAA clones, and he was getting a lot of work from them.

I sent him a check and about two weeks later the gun was back. There was a note that it was a little more than he thought when he got it open, and he needed a couple more bucks for the additional part.

The trigger work he did on the gun was top rate too.
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On a side note about Munden, he was also a good gunsmith and a really nice guy. I dealt with him, and his wife on the phone back in the late 90's, when I picked up one of the early Cimmaron SAA's when they first came out. Had it about a week and the trigger bound up and wanst working properly.

Dont remember exactly how I found out to send it to him, Im thinking they had an ad in the SGN or Gun List, but I called, and talked to his wife. She said send it to them and he would look at it.

I did, he called me back, said what he thought the problem was, and what it would cost, which was less than a hundred dollars. Apparently, this was a pretty common thing for him at the time with the Italian SAA clones, and he was getting a lot of work from them.

I sent him a check and about two weeks later the gun was back. There was a note that it was a little more than he thought when he got it open, and he needed a couple more bucks for the additional part.

The trigger work he did on the gun was top rate too.
Bob worked on a Colt SAA I owned and you're right, a nice man who did excellent work.

But then I had Eddie Janis do a full job on another SAA for me. Wow! It feels like he left the mainspring out..... I still have no idea how that gun goes bang every time.

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