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Even the Dems had to stand and applauded the Korean man with his krutches.
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So does that mean they are not fake news anymore?
Not at all, they are still fake news with 91% negative stories on Trump. It just means they didnt weight the poll heavy enough on their liberal sampling like they did on the pre-election polls.
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Anyone know what the chant was being sung a lil after the Asian guy and before going into the veteran stuff?


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Finally catching some of it. Amazing how many in the audience are trying for whiplash. Wth are they looking around so much for?!?


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anyone see that liquid coming out of joe kennedys mouth during his rebuttal? i thought i read the other day he was bringing a tranny to the SOTU.. i wonder if that is related
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Glad you approve. 1000 mg vitamin C, 5000 IU vitamin D and a multiple vitamin. I should live forever.

Until the republicans get a super majority and get rid of their quislings, we are stuck with making *deals*, as bad as some of us may think they are.

I would like all the die-hard #nevertrumpers to tell me who could have done better and how they could do it. I noticed Ted Cruz clapping wildly and Marco Rubio butt-hurt as ever.



Remember the SOTU speech is a list of proposals and *wants*. It remains to be seen what the final negotiations will produce. I would prefer them GONE, a green card with NO chance of citizenship as second choice, with Trumps "bone" my last choice. I think part of that is keying up the dems so they turn it down and get the blame for axing the "dreamers" dreams.
Lagner, you are making some good points and your are right. Trump might actually get a deal that has alluded so many others signed. It will be a huge accomplishment. But not to soak on the parade, because I actually like the new tone here. It wouldn't be me if I didn't point it out. Trump is actually negotiating with you (base). Did you notice how you exposed what you are willing to accept?
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anyone see that liquid coming out of joe kennedys mouth during his rebuttal? i thought i read the other day he was bringing a tranny to the SOTU.. i wonder if that is related
ewww!, I thought it was just him drooling.
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Didn't watch it, I'm at work. But headlines seem to show major angst among democrats. Usually a good sign.

Heard a few portions. Sounded good. Let's continue this track, I say. Hopefully Trump will get to replace a liberal judge on SCOTUS.
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When can we rescind citizenship from anchor babies born to illegals who were given false citizenship papers as a result of some misunderstanding that just being born here is enough to be a citizen?
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ewww!, I thought it was just him drooling.
perhaps trump angered dems so much he literally has them foaming at the mouth
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It's worth allowing 700,000 "dreamers" to stay if we get the Wall, end chain migration, end the visa lottery, institute a sane legal immigration policy, and fully support ICE and the Border Patrol.

This trade off demonstrates President Trump's compassion for the situation of the "dreamers," but also reinforces his resolve to make good on his campaign promises to secure our borders and end the insane immigration policies of the previous administrations.
That isn't enough. We need to end anchor babies. If you were born here to someone on a non-permanent visa, then you are not a citizen. Not only that, you never were, so let's rescind the citizenship of all these people were given false citizenship.

None of the rest matters as long as there are anchor babies. These 700k "kids" will be popping out 5 babies each. Even if we end chain migration that is 3.5 million people.

Now, that wouldn't be bad if kids of illegals were better than native population. But they aren't. They commit crime at much higher rates. Use more services. Pay less taxes. Are less educated. And vote for more hand outs.

So, allowing these ilegal invaders into the country and breed like rabbits is severely reducing our quality of life and the averages of our country. It causes us to have less trust in our neighbors. Have less trust in the government. It increases our taxes. It makes us more fearful in our homes and on the street due to increased crime. It destroys social cohesion and unity. They are a divisive force and no matter how much people spout "diversity is our strength" it is not true. A country's strength is always in its unity. That doesn't mean they need to all look alike. However, the ability to communicate (same language) and have a certain baseline of shared values is extremely important.

They provide no value to americans, so they need to go. America is not built to service the citizens of other countries. It is meant for the benefit of its own citizens. And, these people are not citizens. I don't care how many babies they popout. How many protests they do. They are invaders and thieves and are robbing real americans of their dreams.
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When can we rescind citizenship from anchor babies born to illegals who were given false citizenship papers as a result of some misunderstanding that just being born here is enough to be a citizen?
Keep dreaming..your negotiating table is outside the capital building. That would unleash a civil war. You are talking about a rate of 4 mil per year since 1980. That is about 160,000,000 people. Then add about another 50 mil of people likely related to them.

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Lagner, you are making some good points and your are right. Trump might actually get a deal that has alluded so many others signed. It will be a huge accomplishment. But not to soak on the parade, because I actually like the new tone here. It wouldn't be me if I didn't point it out. Trump is actually negotiating with you (base). Did you notice how you exposed what you are willing to accept?
Do YOU always negotiate leading with what you will ultimately accept?

Isn't it like buying/selling a used car? Seller starts "high" and the buyer starts "low". They meet in the middle somewhere. If the deal becomes unacceptable to either party, they walk away.

My side (middle America) REALLY wants border control and the rest. Not doing something for the "dreamers" was a long shot. They have a lot of support from both sides. The o-hole DACA expires in March, then it's gone unless Congress does something. To get the border wall it needs to be funded which the fence was not. Spending bills take 60 votes in the Senate. Reality.
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Anyone catch the end when he was walking out? President Trump shook a gentleman's hand and the man asked, "are you going to release the memo?" And President Trump responded something to the effect of, "Oh, 100%. Don't worry."

It could be interesting tomorrow...
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Do YOU always negotiate leading with what you will ultimately accept?

Isn't it like buying/selling a used car? Seller starts "high" and the buyer starts "low". They meet in the middle somewhere. If the deal becomes unacceptable to either party, they walk away.

My side (middle America) REALLY wants border control and the rest. Not doing something for the "dreamers" was a long shot. They have a lot of support from both sides. The o-hole DACA expires in March, then it's gone unless Congress does something. To get the border wall it needs to be funded which the fence was not. Spending bills take 60 votes in the Senate. Reality.
Hey, let's just leave it at that. Lets get Trump's proposal signed into law. I am all for it. Build the wall 100 feet high. It's all good.
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That isn't enough. We need to end anchor babies. If you were born here to someone on a non-permanent visa, then you are not a citizen. Not only that, you never were, so let's rescind the citizenship of all these people were given false citizenship.

None of the rest matters as long as there are anchor babies. These 700k "kids" will be popping out 5 babies each. Even if we end chain migration that is 3.5 million people.

Now, that wouldn't be bad if kids of illegals were better than native population. But they aren't. They commit crime at much higher rates. Use more services. Pay less taxes. Are less educated. And vote for more hand outs.

So, allowing these ilegal invaders into the country and breed like rabbits is severely reducing our quality of life and the averages of our country. It causes us to have less trust in our neighbors. Have less trust in the government. It increases our taxes. It makes us more fearful in our homes and on the street due to increased crime. It destroys social cohesion and unity. They are a divisive force and no matter how much people spout "diversity is our strength" it is not true. A country's strength is always in its unity. That doesn't mean they need to all look alike. However, the ability to communicate (same language) and have a certain baseline of shared values is extremely important.

They provide no value to americans, so they need to go. America is not built to service the citizens of other countries. It is meant for the benefit of its own citizens. And, these people are not citizens. I don't care how many babies they popout. How many protests they do. They are invaders and thieves and are robbing real americans of their dreams.
Agree 100%.

Except it will never happen in either of our lifetimes. Blame Lyndon Baines Johnson and the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigr...ty_Act_of_1965

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Anyone catch the end when he was walking out? President Trump shook a gentleman's hand and the man asked, "are you going to release the memo?" And President Trump responded something to the effect of, "Oh, 100%. Don't worry."

It could be interesting tomorrow...


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Agree 100%.

Except it will never happen in either of our lifetimes. Blame Lyndon Baines Johnson and the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigr...ty_Act_of_1965

We can make a big dent in the problem. Rescind their citizenship and reclassify them as permanent residents. Then, remove welfare and all social programs for all but citizens. Or, just get rid of it for everyone and even if we don't rescind their citizenship they will go. Most (not all) of these immigrants are parasites. They are here not for working hard or love of country or values, but for hand outs. That is their only value is freebies. And, the data shows this (huge amount of intergenerational welfare).

Without welfare, most of these people will self-deport. Once half or more of them self-deport, then getting rid of the rest of the parasites will be much easier.

And, don't get me wrong. I am not saying they are all bad for america and every single one should have to go. I am a pragmatist. Each individual can be analyzed individually. If they are a doctor or engineer or have more wealth than a native born at a given age ($50k minimum), then they can stay. They can even be given citizenship and help make america great again.

But, if the only thing they have to offer is they came out of the vagina of some illegal criminal in a back alley, then they need to GTFO.
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When can we rescind citizenship from anchor babies born to illegals who were given false citizenship papers as a result of some misunderstanding that just being born here is enough to be a citizen?
But being born on US soil IS enough to be a citizen. The US, its territories, its embassies, its military vessels: It does not matter if the mother is there illegally, as a visitor, a resident alien, or is a citizen herself, the child gets citizenship the moment it pops out.

Don't like it? Repeal the 14th Amendment.
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I voted for Trump. I donated to his campaign. I wanted to believe his promises. But.............his ridiculous current desire to cozy up to America-hating Democrats (which was clearly articulated in his SOTU message) violates his pre-election promises as far as I'm concerned.

Sadly, Trump now seems to be taking the RINO "politics first" trail to disaster that many other phony Republicans have taken. I hope I'm wrong, but......................?
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