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Old 06-11-2019, 05:59 PM
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Saw the article this morning. Pretty interesting about revamping or redoing some highways to accommodate Military readiness. I know that they are talking about making HWY 69 thru Hardin Co. wider in spots so I think this might be part of that.

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Old 06-12-2019, 11:44 AM
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Saw the article this morning. Pretty interesting about revamping or redoing some highways to accommodate Military readiness. I know that they are talking about making HWY 69 thru Hardin Co. wider in spots so I think this might be part of that.

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https://www.12newsnow.com/article/ne...4-23231302ffd5
Note this is state officials saying we need to spend a lot of money to improve military access to Texas ports. What’s not to love for a Texan, money coming into the state, better highways, and potentially long term jobs if port traffic picks up.
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Hmmmm! Do you think that "they" KNOW something? We never spent money for projects like this before. Maybe we should start researching if other states are getting similar projects. Lots of NOT GOOD things/changes on the near horizon! We need to increase our situational awareness!
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Old 06-12-2019, 04:20 PM
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Hmmmm! Do you think that "they" KNOW something? We never spent money for projects like this before. Maybe we should start researching if other states are getting similar projects. Lots of NOT GOOD things/changes on the near horizon! We need to increase our situational awareness!
I was wondering if they might know a little more than the rest of us. Plus it appears to stretch up the east coast. Looks like maybe Hwy 190 will be the main corridor through Texas.
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Hmmmm! Do you think that "they" KNOW something? We never spent money for projects like this before. Maybe we should start researching if other states are getting similar projects. Lots of NOT GOOD things/changes on the near horizon! We need to increase our situational awareness!
They may not "KNOW" anything special but we all know the US has a history of getting into wars. It is a pretty good bet something is going to happen sometime.
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Hmmmm! Do you think that "they" KNOW something? We never spent money for projects like this before. ......
NEVER??? the entire "Interstate System" was created as the "Dwight D. Eisenhower National System of Interstate and Defense Highways". This is why every major Army base had a 4lane built close to it. AND why the interstates largely bypassed the center of metro areas (of the time/1950s).

mil convoy want the road, civilian traffic clear the way and exit at the next ramp.
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Hmmmm! Do you think that "they" KNOW something? We never spent money for projects like this before. Maybe we should start researching if other states are getting similar projects. Lots of NOT GOOD things/changes on the near horizon! We need to increase our situational awareness!
Well, they've already been in the process of converting US 59 (Laredo to Chicago) into Interstate 69 for a number of years. We've been spending money on projects like this for years. I just think it's under most people's RADAR.
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Projects ramping up in BASTROP county to improve US290 and SH71. Not for military readiness, no. It is to relieve congestion when Houstonians have to unass the area for approaching storms.
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Projects ramping up in BASTROP county to improve US290 and SH71. Not for military readiness, no. It is to relieve congestion when Houstonians have to unass the area for approaching storms.
Couldn't have anything to do with the population explosion in Travis and surrounding counties? Naw, couldn't have anything to do with that.
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Couldn't have anything to do with the population explosion in Travis and surrounding counties? Naw, couldn't have anything to do with that.
Federal grant money applied for after the Harvey grid lock and the resulting violence. There where shoot outs over the limited fuel supply, one less than 5 miles from the house. Widening shoulders to be able to use them as additional traffic lanes, putting in over passes to replace intersections with traffic lights to allow continuous flow, and making it so the east bound lanes to be shifted to counter flow are all part of the design.

The improvement in local commute times never entered their minds and will be a welcome side effect.
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Federal grant money applied for after the Harvey grid lock and the resulting violence. There where shoot outs over the limited fuel supply, one less than 5 miles from the house. Widening shoulders to be able to use them as additional traffic lanes, putting in over passes to replace intersections with traffic lights to allow continuous flow, and making it so the east bound lanes to be shifted to counter flow are all part of the design.

The improvement in local commute times never entered their minds and will be a welcome side effect.
Got a source for that? All I could find was reports on separating the lanes with a median out around McDade.
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Got a source for that? All I could find was reports on separating the lanes with a median out around McDade.
You should have attend the 71 meeting at the Bastrop convention center last week.

Most of the McDade stretch of 290 upgraded 18 months ago. Giddings to Brenham is finishing up now. Paige is next. Still waiting to see how they deal with the part in Giddings.
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That's how the entire Federal Interstate system began. When Eisenhower was President he implemented here what he saw in Nazi Germany. Their interstate system was totally to move massive amounts of military equipment around the country.
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It's just military frustration with trying to move convoys on I10 and I20 that are always bogged down with heavy traffic.

Both go through major metro areas and remain stalled several times a day with commuter and commercial traffic.

The military isn't flexible enough to ensure it only goes through metro areas between the hours of 9pm and 5am.

Plus Beaumont traffic is now a big joke. Everybody in the Golden Triangle cities and all the way east to Lake Charles sees the area as one big spread out town with I10 being their commuter route. I've been 25 miles halfway between the two cities on the rural 6 lane section and at a dead stop in 5pm commuter traffic. The Lake Charles bridge is also a bad choke point because trucks have a real hard time with its grade and it only being a 4 lane bridge on a 6 lane highway. So getting to the Beaumont military embarkation point rapidly is basically impossible.

The hassles of getting to Fort Polk training base has meant that the Army simply quit stationing a big deployable unit there. All that is left there now is a brigade of infantry and the permanent OpFor teaching units.

Deploying from Fort Hood is even worse as to get to Corpus Christi means going through Austin and San Antonio, or to Beaumont means going through Austin and Houston. The army doesn't want their troops stationed closer to the coast and that means they end up with big cities in the way to the port.
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I thought to move equipment you need rail.
New road even in open flat country is not cheap. In seattle just a bike lane cost $12-13M per mile though poor oversite was involved
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I thought to move equipment you need rail.
New road even in open flat country is not cheap. In seattle just a bike lane cost $12-13M per mile though poor oversite was involved
Most movements are by rail, however I've done a few line-hauls to Beaumont...it's a hassle. It's a good exercise for transportation units to line-haul, and I can see using roads between Bliss and Hood, or traveling to Polk for exercises. I can't recall the cost-benefit analysis, but there was a difference in price

It's been a while since I was at Hood, but both Bliss and Hood have major units for deployable operations. Our over-seas footprint will likely be reduced and we're looking at going back to the "Reforger" days where units simply deployed for exercises instead of having larger units forward deployed.

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I thought to move equipment you need rail.
New road even in open flat country is not cheap. In seattle just a bike lane cost $12-13M per mile though poor oversite was involved

There is a rail that runs North out of Beaumont and usually there are infantry equipment on there. Guess maybe headed north to Polk or to the Port of Beaumont.

Zeke I agree too. I travel to Louisiana quite a bit for work and I10 all the way past Baton Rouge is terrible. They are widening it in parts and it's a nightmare, including crossing the river in Baton Rouge near downtown.
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I thought to move equipment you need rail.
New road even in open flat country is not cheap. In seattle just a bike lane cost $12-13M per mile though poor oversite was involved
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They've been widening the interstates for quite some time and will continue to do so over the next 20 years. LOL

As far as a new interstate? Unless it's diagonal from Houston to Amarillo, we don't need another interstate. 2, 10, 14, 20, 27, 30, 35, 37, 40, 44, 45, 49, 59, 69, 410, 650, 820... there are quite a few already. I've just never understood why all interstates run N/S or E/W and never diagonal. The shortest distance between two points is a straight line... we need diagonal interstates.
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They (whoever they are) went through here last couple of years and raised all the bridges along the I80 corridor through the Sierras from Reno to Sacramento...maybe further
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