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Old 08-02-2020, 11:13 AM
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Whoa, camel!
So he jumped on Clyde, and started to ride.....
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Paul Bunyan had his ox Blue Babe but I don't think he rode her.
Well, he named her "Babe".

I think he might have...

Gets lonely out in dem woods.
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“No hour of life is wasted that is spent in the saddle.”

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I am not a real big horse fan but after 25 years or so, I believe they have taught me more than I ever taught them...
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Default The part that I find interesting

How convenient that horses, cattle, sheep, goats, oxen, dogs, chickens, pigs all "evolved" in sync with humans so as to provide transportation, food and labor for us at just the right time.

And still do.

Synchronicity (German: Synchronizität) is a concept, first introduced by analytical psychologist Carl Jung, which holds that events are "meaningful coincidences" if they occur with no causal relationship yet seem to be meaningfully related. - wikipedia
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SAy the horses ancestors didn't make it past the big dino killer asteroid 65 million years ago.

No horse, zebra, donkeys, burros, etc etc...

That meant, there were never horses to use for the Egyptians and Romans to go to war. Genghis Khan would not have swept the Steppes of Asia riding oxen... There were never horses for the SPaniards to investigate the New WOrld nor horses to use for the plains Indians.. Nothing for settlers to pull their wagons but oxen and such.
No stage coach horses... things like that.

Without the horse, would mankind have progressed as far as we have or would we be generations behind simply because getting to where we were headed would take so much longer. ... if we ever got there at all...?

Just a question to ponder instead of all the gloom and doom so prevalent in our world.
Eohippus didn't appear until millions of years after the extinction event at the close of the Cretaceous.
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Old 08-02-2020, 08:38 PM
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Eohippus didn't appear until millions of years after the extinction event at the close of the Cretaceous.
YES.. I know, but the premise is that the furry little critter that did survive and then eventually became a horse, did not make it.

Unless you believe in spontaneous creation, everything came from something else. SO, wwwwwaaaayyyyy back when, the horse had an ancestor that did survive the BIG ONE.
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I imagine that if we did not have the horse that we would turn to oxen.

Plowing with an ox team is a no-brainer, but can you imagine a matched team of oxen pulling a carriage? Racing cows while gamblers bet on which cow would cross the finish line first? The queen of England going for a ride?
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Guns, cultural appropriation, and animal abuse, all wrapped up in one cartoon clip. Never see that again in a present day cartoon production.
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The elephant is another obvious choice. India uses them for everything.
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YES.. I know, but the premise is that the furry little critter that did survive and then eventually became a horse, did not make it.

Unless you believe in spontaneous creation, everything came from something else. SO, wwwwwaaaayyyyy back when, the horse had an ancestor that did survive the BIG ONE.
In that case, we would be without all of the ungulates, though i would have to imagine that there would be some utility in the species that filled their ecological niches in their stead.
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I guess Paul Bunyan was the one with something blue......


Maybe there would have been a totally different way things turned out. A tiny change extrapolated over millions of years could cause VERY drastically different outcome. I remember reading "The Sound of Thunder" in school related to time travelers making a accidental change that caused totally unforeseen consequences.

The Short Faced Bear was said to be as fast as ponies of its time in history. Maybe we all would be riding around on bears. Might be a bit slower, but they estimate it had high endurance and at 6 foot at the shoulder it would be close to the right size.








Or.....


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So the early automobile would be known as the oxless carriage, and engine performance would be measured in camel power. Dont put the cart before the moose, the ford 64 Labrador would be a collectors classic.

Spoiled children would want a "warthog" and want it now. And Ben Hur would have been on a much slower track to name a few.
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SAy the horses ancestors didn't make it past the big dino killer asteroid 65 million years ago.

No horse, zebra, donkeys, burros, etc etc...

That meant, there were never horses to use for the Egyptians and Romans to go to war. Genghis Khan would not have swept the Steppes of Asia riding oxen... There were never horses for the SPaniards to investigate the New WOrld nor horses to use for the plains Indians.. Nothing for settlers to pull their wagons but oxen and such.
No stage coach horses... things like that.

Without the horse, would mankind have progressed as far as we have or would we be generations behind simply because getting to where we were headed would take so much longer. ... if we ever got there at all...?

Just a question to ponder instead of all the gloom and doom so prevalent in our world.
Rather pointless as far as a scenario goes if you go that far back.
Horses exist because a niche existed that was able to be filled (eventually) over a geological timeframe by evolution.

Look at the multiple times the marine/land barrier was crossed by mammals ( both ways infact ).

The closest you could come would be on the order of a massive disease or over hunting die off in the last 50k ( give or take a few 10k ) years.
But 100k to 200k years would be enough for that particular niche to be ( partially) filled. Deer/antelope, cattle, camels, okapi/giraffes could migrate into that particular niche.
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How convenient that horses, cattle, sheep, goats, oxen, dogs, chickens, pigs all "evolved" in sync with humans so as to provide transportation, food and labor for us at just the right time.

And still do.

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errr.
We adopted ( ie. Selectively bred ) most of those over the course of history to adapt to our needs. We provided protection and insured reproduction at the cost of labor and post reproduction death.

Dogs occur when wolves learn to embrace symbiosiswith human hunter gatherer tribes. That entails progressively less agressive wolves to cooperate with humans by surviving longer than more agressive wolves.
A similar thing ocurred in the soviet fox breeding program. Even to the point of floppy ears in the least agressive foxes. ( foxes and dogs are somewhat related by lineage ).

Selective breeding is what enabled all of the dog breeds we know today.
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I would trade horses for dragons.
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Maybe we all would be riding around on bears.
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We adopted ( ie. Selectively bred ) most of those over the course of history to adapt to our needs.
Of course they were bred to adapt to our needs. But they had to exist in the first place and be able to be domesticated. Why hasn't the zebra been domesticated in africa like the horse has been elsewhere?

https://www.loc.gov/everyday-mysteri...-domesticated/

Can the zebra be domesticated?

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They are unpredictable and are known to attack people. To be domesticated, animals must meet certain criteria. For example, they must have a good disposition and should not panic under pressure. Zebras’ unpredictable nature and tendency to attack preclude them from being good candidates for domestication.
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