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Whether you drag a camper or drive an RV, you need to figure how to "know" when SHTF is going to happen and leave the day before. Otherwise, you'll be "camping" in your driveway. You could cache food and fuel along the way to your final BOL, but the roads will be blocked within minutes or hours - probably for a long time.

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Honestly, the motorhome would have to be on your property ready to go and not at some RV storage
Depends what you are facing. I have always known of the threat of a cyclone. I have known when there are high risk of fires. I am pretty sure if there was a way. Someone would mention it before hand.

Otherwise depends where the RV storage is. It might be past the traffic jams. And you could ride a bicycle out there or something.
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I think one has to be displaced before they understand the usefulness of a camper or camp trailer. A roof over your head a bed to sleep in a place to cook do dishes and a comfortable place to sit. OTOH you can be gouged by every Tom **** and Mary looking to make a buck on your misfortune.
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Years ago we had a 36' fifth wheel and we sold it to our BIL and his wife, they lived in it on his in-laws property for three years without any complaints. It was great for vacations and a few times when power was out in our home, it had a generator, Water tank, propane for the Refrig, water heater and best of all a hot shower..........talking about it makes me want another.

FWIW: 5th Wheel and a 3/4 ton truck pulls great and has better turning radius than a bumper pull type of trailer, down side is making sure it doesn't leak, watching the height around trees and you loose space in the pickup bed.
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Years ago we had a 36' fifth wheel and we sold it to our BIL and his wife, they lived in it on his in-laws property for three years without any complaints. It was great for vacations and a few times when power was out in our home, it had a generator, Water tank, propane for the Refrig, water heater and best of all a hot shower..........talking about it makes me want another.

FWIW: 5th Wheel and a 3/4 ton truck pulls great and has better turning radius than a bumper pull type of trailer, down side is making sure it doesn't leak, watching the height around trees and you loose space in the pickup bed.
A 36' fifth wheel! That would be a chore at times. I love pulling 16-18'. Even 20' can be cumbersome at times. I don't think they make many fifth wheels that short. I have no idea really.

The pick up truck bed is pretty valuable real estate to give up. My own feeling is that pros should use fifth wheels and bumper pulls aren't so bad for the rest. Just having the fifth wheel hitch in place kind of wrecks the truck bed for many purposes. I've looked at several. While some can be removed in a few minutes - you lose strength when things are easily taken apart.

I have a group of bumper pulls. They work alright for me.
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In no way, shape or form am I recommending an RV just in case one needs to bug out. I like to travel when things are good. Things would be good if the home sale ever goes through. Being treated like a yo-yo is a bit tortuous. Good thing I am somewhat used to torture.

I'd love to tell the buyer to take a hike and fix the house up some more. I can't tie my shoes in SW Florida without my GC getting the counties permission. I have a hearing pretty soon because I replaced some hurricane damaged drywall without the counties permission. Got to travel 2000 miles and beg for mercy then pay fines because I replaced bad drywall without a permit.

Did I mention that I hate the way that building code is used and abused in many places? Like everything else - it sounded like a great idea. Then governments did government things.

Dealing with building code has costs me about $70,000 on that house. It would have been roofed over a year ago but they would not allow the homeowner (me) to get a permit after I told I could get one in 2017.

So yea - I am interested in eventually relocating into an area that still respects the rights of homeowners. Many counties are more interested in SWAT raids and Civil asset forfeiture. Meaning they take your shiit.
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In no way, shape or form am I recommending an RV just in case one needs to bug out. I like to travel when things are good. Things would be good if the home sale ever goes through. Being treated like a yo-yo is a bit tortuous. Good thing I am somewhat used to torture.

I'd love to tell the buyer to take a hike and fix the house up some more. I can't tie my shoes in SW Florida without my GC getting the counties permission. I have a hearing pretty soon because I replaced some hurricane damaged drywall without the counties permission. Got to travel 2000 miles and beg for mercy then pay fines because I replaced bad drywall without a permit.

Did I mention that I hate the way that building code is used and abused in many places? Like everything else - it sounded like a great idea. Then governments did government things.


Dealing with building code has costs me about $70,000 on that house. It would have been roofed over a year ago but they would not allow the homeowner (me) to get a permit after I told I could get one in 2017.

So yea - I am interested in eventually relocating into an area that still respects the rights of homeowners. Many counties are more interested in SWAT raids and Civil asset forfeiture. Meaning they take your shiit.


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Im surprised at the building codes for garages in flood zones. Apparently it costs 5,000$ to cut a 12x12 hole to put in an air vent here.
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Im surprised at the building codes for garages in flood zones. Apparently it costs 5,000$ to cut a 12x12 hole to put in an air vent here.
The costs go up a lot. Now you need:
1) A permit with fee and building plans. Maybe a before and after plan.
2) Licensed and insured contractors.
3) Completed in certain time frame.
4) Use only county approved materials - their criteria has no common sense whatsoever.
5) The county now decides they must inspect everything from plumbing to electrical to what have you.
6) Pass all inspections. Some are willy nilly.
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The costs go up a lot. Now you need:
1) A permit with fee and building plans. Maybe a before and after plan.
2) Licensed and insured contractors.
3) Completed in certain time frame.
4) Use only county approved materials - their criteria has no common sense whatsoever.
5) The county now decides they must inspect everything from plumbing to electrical to what have you.
6) Pass all inspections. Some are willy nilly.
Which makes alternative living more attractive

I could live in a motorhome or a travel trailer for years. The problem a lot of people have though is finding a permanent place to park it.
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I have a relative who has a 45 coach, powered by a 600 HP 18 liter Cummins (I think). It costs 462$ for an oil change, as the engine takes 40 something quarts of oil.
Then it probably doesn't need very frequent oil changes? I will get yelled at for this but I don't think oil always quickly goes bad sitting in an oil pan. Depends on the environment - as with most everything.
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Ive worked in truck and diesel shops most of my career and weve had a whole lot of RVs through from class Cs all the way to entertainer coaches built on Prevost & MCI chassis. Other than some of the very high end units they were almost universally terribly built, falling apart from day one and pretty much all of them absolutely sucked to work on.

If you really want a rugged unit decent to work on for a self contained RV Id start with either a heavy duty cargo van or if you need more room, a box truck built on a one ton or medium duty chassis. Those vehicles are built to go hundreds of thousands of miles in hard use. If you find a used one out of a good fleet theyve usually been well maintained.

As to gas vs diesel, despite working with diesels for a living, if I were buying anything newer than a 2007 than Id probably stick with gas due to the new style DPF/DEF emissions and the heavily computerized nature of the newer engines. An oil change/service alone is generally several hundred dollars and if you need to do any work on the emissions or anything on the engine, and you WILL eventually, the price can quickly escalate into many thousands of dollars. Be warned even if you buy anything older, those vehicles are now at least a dozen years old or more and even well maintained vehicles start showing their age at that point.

If you look on YouTube or the internet youll see some pretty nice/functional conversions done on old Ryder/Penske/whatever box vans and the owners generally dont have a ton of money in. We bought an old ATT maintenance worker van with a Chevy van chassis and utility box rear with an on board diesel generator for $6000 or $7000 to use for a mobile service truck at work. V8 gas engine, fairly rugged chassis lots of storage but youd have to tear some storage out or get creative for a bed etc...

As to the camper build out, personally Id stay totally away from any black water tankage and go with a composting toilet like they use on sailboats or a simple casette set up or even a bucket with plastic bags etc.. and dispose of the waste by burying etc.. Also keep the water/gray water systems a simple as possible. Set up to use minimal water and have low electrical demands and youll be able to stay self sufficient much easier. The more complexity you build in, the more to go wrong.

Myself, my choice is a 4x4 Toyota Tacoma double cab long bed with a high top ARE MX camper shell. Ill eventually get a small trailer, either an enclosed cargo type or ideally a high clearance teardrop to allow for some off road capability. KISS and avoid complexity to control costs and make it easy to do.

Just my two cents, worth what you paid.
Now that is a valuable perspective given that you worked on the beasts. Seems clear to me that a mobile home is about 1/2 as robust as a decent stick built home. With an RV likely being about 1/2 as robust as a mobile home. Then you go shaking and vibrating down the road. While introducing rapid changes in temperature and humidity.

I have a '93 GMC 14' box truck. It is rough on the exterior. The 454 purrs like a kitten however. I'd estimate the rear axle housing at 14" - pretty stout. It drives just fine - the stereo is kick azz too.

Wouldn't take much to make it camping ready. Camping style 5 gallon cushioned bucket is imminently practical. There are issues with carrying around black water in plastic pipes hanging off the bottom. Been there - good thing the tank was empty!

Propane stoves work, well, really great! Same with propane heaters such as the Buddy indoor approved heaters.

Old used entertainment center can be used as a closet. Small set of used kitchen cabinets for storage and food. Foam mattress for a bed. Some sturdy 20 gallon plastic water containers for water. Hmmm.
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Then it probably doesn't need very frequent oil changes? I will get yelled at for this but I don't think oil always quickly goes bad sitting in an oil pan. Depends on the environment - as with most everything.
You would be wrong. Especially in high humidity areas. Additionally, if you leave an engine sitting too long without running it, the seals go bad. I have sen an engine locked up with rust from sitting too long.

Read this for the effects of moisture on oil
https://www.azic.com/moisture-in-oil...e-headedbeast/
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I took a look at the OP again after reading the last few pages of post. Here is what I found:

RVs may be the ultimate bug out plan.

1) Nothing about full-time living in the RV, now, before the bug-out is needed.
2) Nothing about moving the RV time after time after the bug-out is completed.
3) Nothing about needing a multi $100,000 RV for the bug-out.
4) Nothing about trying to take the RV places it cannot go during the bug-out.
5) Nothing about filling the RV full to the brim with bug-out supplies and just letting it sit until something happens.
6) Nothing about using an RV as the only possibility for a bug-out.
7) Nothing about the possible bug-out only being for end of the world scenarios.

Makes me wonder why there were so many posts about all those subjects. Instead of discussions on how one could use an RV as part of a bug-out plan.

Hm... Curious.

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You would be wrong. Especially in high humidity areas. Additionally, if you leave an engine sitting too long without running it, the seals go bad. I have sen an engine locked up with rust from sitting too long.

Read this for the effects of moisture on oil
https://www.azic.com/moisture-in-oil...e-headedbeast/
This is the worlds highest alpine desert. Comparing this area to Florida is problematic. Why I said - "Depends on the environment - as with most everything."
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I took a look at the OP again after reading the last few pages of post. Here is what I found:

RVs may be the ultimate bug out plan.

1) Nothing about full-time living in the RV, now, before the bug-out is needed.
I mentioned gaining experiences as a road warrior becoming useful.
2) Nothing about moving the RV time after time after the bug-out is completed.
You start up the engine and press the gas. The beauty of an RV.
3) Nothing about needing a multi $100,000 RV for the bug-out.
You guys go overboard. This is for recreational travel. All we really need is food, water, warm, dry and fuel. The rest is speculation.
4) Nothing about trying to take the RV places it cannot go during the bug-out.
Hence the toad, dinghy, towed 4WD. Or 4WD truck with camper.
5) Nothing about filling the RV full to the brim with bug-out supplies and just letting it sit until something happens.
That was made clear at the start. Without common sense one may as well quit now.
6) Nothing about using an RV as the only possibility for a bug-out.
Why only have one option? That would be ridiculous.
7) Nothing about the possible bug-out only being for end of the world scenarios.
Wut?

Makes me wonder why there were so many posts about all those subjects. Instead of discussions on how one could use an RV as part of a bug-out plan.

The discussion is a couple days old and ongoing. We are evaluating RV's now - not writing a book about them.


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Your opinions are always interesting. You spend a lot of time deliberating the possibilities. Now can you tell us about your last interstate trip?
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Take something like this for $10,000. A 29' 1995 Winnebago with 86,000 miles on it. https://denver.craigslist.org/rvs/d/...887536634.html

For now I am going to see how things go with my trucks little pop up camper and throwing supplies in my 14' box truck. My gawd - that truck looks like no fun.
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I took a look at the OP again after reading the last few pages of post. Here is what I found:

RVs may be the ultimate bug out plan.

1) Nothing about full-time living in the RV, now, before the bug-out is needed.
2) Nothing about moving the RV time after time after the bug-out is c
3) Nothing about needing a multi $100,000 RV for the bug-out
4) Nothing about trying to take the RV places it cannot go during the bug-out.
5) Nothing about filling the RV full to the brim with bug-out supplies and just letting it sit until something happens.
6) Nothing about using an RV as the only possibility for a bug-out.
7) Nothing about the possible bug-out only being for end of the world scenarios.

Makes me wonder why there were so many posts about all those subjects. Instead of discussions on how one could use an RV as part of a bug-out plan.


Hm... Curious.

Just my opinion.

like 4 out of the 7 issues about bugging out in an rv were listed or alluded to in this thread.
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Take something like this for $10,000. A 29' 1995 Winnebago with 86,000 miles on it. https://denver.craigslist.org/rvs/d/...887536634.html

For now I am going to see how things go with my trucks little pop up camper and throwing supplies in my 14' box truck. My gawd - that truck looks like no fun.
for its age it looks clean, I would really inspect it for a good 1+ hour if not more though

make sure theres no leaks or molds

the 454 might be a little underpowered (290 hp?) for that big of a rig
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A bit of info that could come in handy if RV is to be used for bug out. A Ford chassis will sit the coach up higher giving a bit more ground clearance for when things get rough as compared to one on a Chevy.
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This discussion could get big. It could get ridiculed and dismissed. It could get ignored. We shall see.
Looks like the OP was expecting things to get big... probably even sidetracked
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I took a look at the OP again after reading the last few pages of post. Here is what I found:

RVs may be the ultimate bug out plan.

1) Nothing about full-time living in the RV, now, before the bug-out is needed.
2) Nothing about moving the RV time after time after the bug-out is completed.
3) Nothing about needing a multi $100,000 RV for the bug-out.
4) Nothing about trying to take the RV places it cannot go during the bug-out.
5) Nothing about filling the RV full to the brim with bug-out supplies and just letting it sit until something happens.
6) Nothing about using an RV as the only possibility for a bug-out.
7) Nothing about the possible bug-out only being for end of the world scenarios.

Makes me wonder why there were so many posts about all those subjects. Instead of discussions on how one could use an RV as part of a bug-out plan.

Hm... Curious.

Just my opinion.
Jerry. There are two main reasons why

1) This is not really a survivalist discussion site anymore
2) Even the OP has been derailing this thread with discussions about building codes in Florida!

I am a survivalist, come here to read about and post about survivalism and I have quite a good capability for vehicle bug out (more secondary than primary plan). I also have good resources for PAW vehicle mobility. I posted in this thread a couple of days ago and have been watching this thread since but I don't have any thing to add to where it has drifted.

That is the problem with diluting the focus of an internet discussion board - it is self perpetuating.
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