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Trump has been a real peace making president so far.

Everyone pressured him to start a real war in Syria and he kept that from happening.
And I definitely would have had a surgical type regime change action in Venezuela and N Korea if it was me.

The deep state always wants war. He is clearly against the deep state.
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I don't think it's about ego. I think it's about the potential for Iran to become a nuclear power if a Democrat wins the next election. I don't believe the attack BS from what I've seen. But I think it was decided that the sanctions aren't working and Iran can simply hold out until Trump's out of office and then the sanctions will go away, all the pressure and obstruction will go away, and they can thrive. Iran's going to play nice until then and keep everything short of providing a casus belli for the US.

So, I think this whole thing is that they've decided they have to have this war done by the election and they're desperate to come up with something that will allow them to move fast. It needs to happen this summer and if they don't have a casus belli they feel like they have to make one. Otherwise we're going to end up with a nuclear war 20-30 years down the road with an Iran's that can legitimately take on Israel and keep the weakened US away long enough.
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He has an enormous ego
Also.
For some unknown reason going to war often increases the popularity of a politician.

I would be AMAZED if he didn't start a real war - as opposed to an 'easy to win' trade war
with someone.
Do you even hear yourself? That doesn't make sense in either a logical way or a historical way. Trump has always been anti-war, and ego does not = warmonger (according to normal people).

Trump has faults but being a warhawk is not one of them.

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If this continues, then Trump will only be following what Obama and others started: find every means to stop other countries from moving away from the petrodollar.
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Titles of articles do not need hyphens. Why did you add them?
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Do you even hear yourself? That doesn't make sense in either a logical way or a historical way. Trump has always been anti-war, and ego does not = warmonger (according to normal people).

Trump has faults but being a warhawk is not one of them.

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He has built up the US military,
Started several trade wars,
He attacked Syria,
He has threatened military action in Venezuela,
He has threatend military action in North Korea,
He has threatened military action in Iran.
He wanted his OWN military parade!? He's the first president that wanted one.

I say it again. I would be amazed if he ends his presidency without invading somewhere. Probably a place with lot's of oil.
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He has built up the US military,
Started several trade wars,
He attacked Syria,
He has threatened military action in Venezuela,
He has threatend military action in North Korea,
He has threatened military action in Iran.
He wanted his OWN military parade!? He's the first president that wanted one.

I say it again. I would be amazed if he ends his presidency without invading somewhere. Probably a place with lot's of oil.
What's wrong with rebuilding the military following the gutting of it by his predecessor. If the rest of the Free World still looks to us as their main means of defense, it's a good idea to have a strong military. Pray for peace but prepare for war. I don't see the Europeans outside of a couple of nations stepping up to the plate; the Teutonic troublemakers have suckled at the US tit for many years. The French are playing both ends of the stick.

If North Korea would calm down their own rhetoric, that might help. They've been allowed for 60 years to act like that. Unfortunately, the US had a role in that.

Trade Wars; I guess we shouldn't seek more favorable terms when the 60% of the global trade market cross-docks in the US? Again, a situation we allowed that the President is trying to correct.

Attacked Syria? LOL.......even "Red Line in the Sand" Obama launched military action against the Syrians not to mention invaded Pakistan.
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I just saw this on the NEWS...
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Trump administration orders non-essential personnel to evacuate U.S. Embassy in Iraq amid tensions with Iran.
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He has built up the US military,
Started several trade wars,
He attacked Syria,
He has threatened military action in Venezuela,
He has threatend military action in North Korea,
He has threatened military action in Iran.
He wanted his OWN military parade!? He's the first president that wanted one.

I say it again. I would be amazed if he ends his presidency without invading somewhere. Probably a place with lot's of oil.
THREATENING military action is a form of diplomacy. Threatening military action does not = military action.
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Trump must have been ordered to put Bolton on his staff. (And will probably be ordered to conduct a war with Iran).

Hopefully I'm wrong.
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Everyone can see it coming.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...nald-trump-usa
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Saw this on Reddit, pretty funny.

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/...825408?lang=en
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So you're saying then that John Bolton is picking up where John McCain left off?
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8914756.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...defiance-of-us

"No increased Iran threat in Syria or Iraq, top British officer says, contradicting US"

Beautiful pic of the Lincoln in the second article.
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For full disclosure, I support an outright destruction of NK and Iran...

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He has built up the US military,
Jobs

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Started several trade wars,
Not a war in the sense we are talking. We send hundreds of billions of dollars in each direction. Hardly a trade war; it's hyproble just like what you promote.

US economy, jobs.

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He attacked Syria,
Pretty much with permission from russia and syria. Gave heads up and was told which areas he could shoot at while allowing russia to test antimissile technology.

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He has threatened military action in Venezuela,
Not a war.

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He has threatend military action in North Korea,
Also has met with NL leaders personally, unlike any other president in decades. And has not had a bullet fired in their direction. Not a war by any standard.
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He has threatened military action in Iran.
If I had a dollar for every time I heard of a thread of military action... nope, not a war.

I would not be shocked if we enter some war. I also think there is enough pressure around the world and deep state that want one. Even a bully can be bullied into a fight.
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I would not be shocked if we enter some war. I also think there is enough pressure around the world and deep state that want one. Even a bully can be bullied into a fight.
The world doesn't want it.
The deep state or the military industrial complex or the oil companies may
all want it.
You just need to put the US military in the area and I'm pretty sure a missile
can be magicked up from somewhere to get the ball rolling
- whether it's from Iran or not...
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Well it may be escalating.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/saudi-...botage-attacks

Emirati officials have declined to elaborate on the nature of the sabotage or say who might have been responsible. However, the reports come as the U.S. has warned ships that "Iran or its proxies" could be targeting maritime traffic in the region, and as America is deploying an aircraft carrier and B-52 bombers to the Persian Gulf to counter alleged threats from Tehran.
Typical newsmen get played by the Pentagon.

We had a slew of B1 bombers there for years and just rotated them back for the B52s, effectively a force downgrade.

The 5th Fleet is stationed there and always has one carrier battle group. The fleet has to swap out the carrier on a rotational basis, so unless they clearly declare they are deploying a 2nd carrier to the strike group then all they doing is effectively rotating the tires.

News wienies told we are sending a carrier and some B52s start having a nerd attack believing that war is imminent when in reality they likely are seeing us rotate and downgrade the gear over there.

People just have no clue what we have had permanently on station in the Persian Gulf since Bush 41 started loading the place up. Check Wiki for the 5th Fleet stationed there and then realize that's just Navy/Marines. Al Udeid airbase in Qatar has over 100 combat planes from the US, UK, and the Aussie air forces. Then you have all the stuff the Saudis and other Gulf Arab states. That's just what on close station. 7th and 6th Fleets are only days away. Diego Garcia has B52s stacked up and could be there in a couple hours. Prepositioned RoRo ships have a division's worth a ready land gear just waiting for us onsite there waiting for charter planes to empty Fort Bragg in in a day. Guam can hit the place. Hell, those B1s rotated back, plus the B2's could all hit the place about 8 hours after the call happens. We are beyond ready to hit Iran like a ton of bricks and we stay that way in permanent readiness. We've been ready to paste Iran to smithereens for most of 30 years now.

We'll be able to hit Iran harder than we hit Iraq. Back then we had to hold a large reserve in case Iran made a play. This time Iraq is a two bit player. We don't need a large reserve to keep Iraq honest now. The Israelis and maybe even the Egyptians might want a piece of the action.

All we are waiting for is the Iranians to go full retard.
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We have wartime assets that just were moved and sitting in the ME... waiting. The MIC is always in the market for its pound of flesh. Something is bound to happen, they'll need a bigger FF than a couple of damaged oil tankers to set it off.

IamZeke however could be 100% correct, the press and the use of disinformation at work again. But in this case it becomes where the carriers have been recently moved to that is the 800 lb gorilla...
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We'll be able to hit Iran harder than we hit Iraq. Back then we had to hold a large reserve in case Iran made a play. This time Iraq is a two bit player. We don't need a large reserve to keep Iraq honest now. The Israelis and maybe even the Egyptians might want a piece of the action.

All we are waiting for is the Iranians to go full retard.
Just don't count on the Saudis to get their hands dirty. Which they should since in reality they started this whole problem in the first place.

I'm just wondering how many Iranian assets might already be in Afghanistan. It's a short plane ride from Bagram and Kandahar to Iran.
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