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Old 05-29-2020, 07:13 AM
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https://abc13.com/fort-bend-co-pct-4...oting/6218753/

https://www.click2houston.com/news/l...friendly-fire/

Wow, this is an area with ultra low crime rate. Investigating a property check call, Sheriff deputy mistakes a police constable for a bad guy and shoots him in the chest, where he was wearing a bullet proof vest. Was still fatal.

Very sad. The sheriff is the law in this unincorporated area and they are very professional. No idea how this tragedy happened. Miscommunication i suppose.

Not sure why the vest didn't protect the officer.

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The vest may not have failed
The shot could have missed the vest
Or the vest was not rated for the ammunition used
Regardless, it is clear that some LEOs panic shoot and are ill-trained
You are ****ed if you meet up with one of these clowns
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The sheriff and police in this area are top notch. No idea what happened here.
I guess everyone is human at some point and can make a mistake.

They will have a press briefing around 11 am I think they said.

They said the back door of the home was open and there was a report of someone suspicious in the area, so I guess they were on edge.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing about it simply missing the vest.
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Sudden impact of a bullet hitting a vest can cause cardiac arrest.
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Stupidity! Ignoring basic training or even a tad bit of common sense. A person who is prone to knee-jerk reactions probably should consider a career in just about anything BUT law enforcement (and explosives).
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I remember when I was a patrol officer, I happened to just be driving by when one of our undercover guys shot a suspect right in front of me. I drew down on him and challenged him, and fortunately I recognized his voice. I shudder to think what might have happened if he inadvertently muzzle swept me. Friendly fire can definitely happen.
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https://abc13.com/fort-bend-co-pct-4...oting/6218753/

https://www.click2houston.com/news/l...friendly-fire/

Wow, this is an area with ultra low crime rate. Investigating a property check call, Sheriff deputy mistakes a police constable for a bad guy and shoots him in the chest, where he was wearing a bullet proof vest. Was still fatal.

Very sad. The sheriff is the law in this unincorporated area and they are very professional. No idea how this tragedy happened. Miscommunication i suppose.

Not sure why the vest didn't protect the officer.

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According to officials, a neighbor called and reported she thought she saw someone running.
Seeing this too often. Neighbor calls police with limited details. Police show up and shoot the wrong person.

"Death by nosy neighbor"
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Maybe he didn't follow the officer's specific commands.
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The sheriff and police in this area are top notch. No idea what happened here.
I guess everyone is human at some point and can make a mistake.

They will have a press briefing around 11 am I think they said.

They said the back door of the home was open and there was a report of someone suspicious in the area, so I guess they were on edge.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing about it simply missing the vest.
That doesn't sound like top notch, it sounds more like, shoot first, find a way to blame the dead body second.
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Maybe some of the board's LEO can expand on what warrants a home search from a neighbor call.

3 Squad cars and a Constable show up and enter the home through the back door at 1:40am and clear the home? This sounds like a recipe for disaster.

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Fort Bend County Sheriff Troy Nehls said when deputies arrived at the scene, they entered the home through an unsecured back door.
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Maybe some of the board's LEO can expand on what warrants a home search from a neighbor call.

3 Squad cars and a Constable show up and enter the home through the back door at 1:40am and clear the home? This sounds like a recipe for disaster.
They said the back door was open.
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That doesn't sound like top notch, it sounds more like, shoot first, find a way to blame the dead body second.
Well, that's my opinion based on limited interactions over the 13 years I have lived here. You are entitled to your opinion I suppose. Based on reading a 2 paragraph article.
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They said the back door was open.
I have seen several reports stating "Unsecured" or "Unlocked" but none that said "open".
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I have put the odd plain clothes cop in a headlock by mistake before. I have even been handcuffed once because nobody could tell whose wrist was whose.

These identity mistakes to happen. This one had a particularly bad outcome.
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I have seen several reports stating "Unsecured" or "Unlocked" but none that said "open".
Yes, by open, I meant unlocked. imprecise lingo.
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Well, that's my opinion based on limited interactions over the 13 years I have lived here. You are entitled to your opinion I suppose. Based on reading a 2 paragraph article.
You are right. What I typed out was a **** thing to say and I should have responded more level headed. With that said, many things must have gone wrong for the situation to end up the way it did. At the very least the shooter didn't accurately decide if the other person was a threat. They also both must have not identified themselves as law enforcement. I also can't help but think if the person who died had been anyone but a cop they would have claimed the shooting was in self defense.
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They said the back door was open.
I know you clarified later that it was unlocked and not open, but even open is no reason to draw a gun and clear a house. We just had a storm front pass through and spring is ending. Last night I had my door open as I was cleaning should I have a cop in my face because I am enjoying cool fresh air. What if he shows up when I am cleaning a gun, do I now have to do firearms maintenance in a dim vault?

Maybe they should have stayed the hell out of the house. Maybe they should have had their lights out yelling "Sheriff's department".
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Just saw a video on YouTube that claims the constable was a outspoken critic of the sheriff. It alluded to it may not have been a accident.. Newsnowhouston apparently believes there is more to the story.

Not agreeing or disagreeing. More concerned I read this thread and that was suggested in my YouTube feed..
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I know you clarified later that it was unlocked and not open, but even open is no reason to draw a gun and clear a house. We just had a storm front pass through and spring is ending. Last night I had my door op What if he shows up when I am cleaning a gun, do I now have to do firearms maintenance in a dim vault?en as I was cleaning should I have a cop in my face because I am enjoying cool fresh air.

Maybe they should have stayed the hell out of the house. Maybe they should have had their lights out yelling "Sheriff's department".
I have been confronted by local cops in a similar way. I was remodeling my shop and main street had a few break ins in the previous months. So the cops were going door to door and making sure all the business doors were locked. Mine was unlocked. Once he opened the door but I assume before he came in he announced himself and before entering every room he announced himself again. By the time I got upstairs he had announced himself(as a cop) at least 3 times. I had also announced myself from the basement before coming up. Even then he drew is gun at me when I came up. It took a bit of explaining (on both our parts) and he left.

Had he not announced himself and I had come up the stairs to see a figure in the dark with a gun pointed at me I don't know how I would have responded, nor how he would have responded to my response. Simply announcing himself as loud as he could prevented anything bad from happening.
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The victim was fairly new. < 6 months on the job.
I think they said he was shot a bit too high for the vest to catch it. Imprecise language was used, but that's what it sounded like. It was a vacant home and the back door was unlocked, so could easily have been some bad actors in the house.


On the other side of hiway 6, there has been a lot of crime since the covid outbreak, but nothing on this side, and that is I'm sure because of the excellent sheriff and constable patrols here.
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