Mask wearing? - Page 6 - Survivalist Forum
Survivalist Forum

Advertise Here

Go Back   Survivalist Forum > > >
Articles Classifieds Donations Gallery Groups Links Store Survival Files


Notices

Advertise Here
View Poll Results: Have you worn a mask during the "pandemic?"
No way! Screw masks, won't do it. 25 14.29%
I haven't had to yet. 15 8.57%
I wear them when I have to. 106 60.57%
Yes! Everyone should be wearing masks! How dare you!! 29 16.57%
Voters: 175. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-26-2020, 03:01 PM
Goodwrench708's Avatar
Goodwrench708 Goodwrench708 is online now
SBs Resident Non Prepper
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Georgia-New Hampshire-Dominican Republic
Age: 56
Posts: 6,655
Thanks: 6,738
Thanked 10,740 Times in 4,105 Posts
Default



Advertise Here

There wonít be any mountains of bodies..... stop being drama queens.
Quick reply to this message
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Goodwrench708 For This Useful Post:
Old 05-26-2020, 03:10 PM
Colt's Avatar
Colt Colt is online now
Grevcon 10
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 12,255
Thanks: 21,199
Thanked 38,567 Times in 9,218 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Goodwrench708 View Post
There won’t be any mountains of bodies..... stop being drama queens.
100,000 bodies makes a pretty big mountain. 348,302 if the whole world pitches theirs in. Can stack them 66 miles high. Enough to reach space.
Quick reply to this message
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to Colt For This Useful Post:
Old 05-26-2020, 03:44 PM
ambos lados's Avatar
ambos lados ambos lados is offline
Bushidoka
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: varies, okay? 8-52 deg N
Posts: 2,717
Thanks: 15,363
Thanked 6,327 Times in 2,108 Posts
Default No Matter the Number...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Colt View Post
100,000 bodies makes a pretty big mountain. 348,302 if the whole world pitches theirs in. Can stack them 66 miles high. Enough to reach space.
For some, it will never be a real mountain of bodies unless it includes "your" body!
Quick reply to this message
The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to ambos lados For This Useful Post:
Old 05-26-2020, 04:04 PM
InOmaha InOmaha is online now
Survivor
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 8,544
Thanks: 7,329
Thanked 29,456 Times in 7,068 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ambos lados View Post
Actually I enjoyed the rest of your post and viewpoint, too, but this cracked me up...Warren Buffet being amongst the "old fogies" in your area, but you Gen Xer's are the "smarter age group." Hey, knock yourselves out!
Smarter in that even with a lower chance of death similar to the next younger age group (13% vs 10%) , we seem to be catching it at a rate around 1/2 that same age group (22.2% to 55.1%).

So cautious may be a better word. It could be a local thing too.

I doubt Buffet is going out getting himself exposed unnecessarily. The guy's not stupid.
Quick reply to this message
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to InOmaha For This Useful Post:
Old 05-26-2020, 04:08 PM
Goodwrench708's Avatar
Goodwrench708 Goodwrench708 is online now
SBs Resident Non Prepper
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Georgia-New Hampshire-Dominican Republic
Age: 56
Posts: 6,655
Thanks: 6,738
Thanked 10,740 Times in 4,105 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ambos lados View Post
For some, it will never be a real mountain of bodies unless it includes "your" body!
No...you see there is a difference between us Flu broís and the chicken littles.... we donít wish harm on anyone
Quick reply to this message
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Goodwrench708 For This Useful Post:
Old 05-26-2020, 04:34 PM
InOmaha InOmaha is online now
Survivor
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 8,544
Thanks: 7,329
Thanked 29,456 Times in 7,068 Posts
Default

Time to let it loose so we can see. It's either already done, or we'll light her up and burn it out. I don't see the mask thing lasting more than a couple more weeks except in certain businesses unless we get a massive increase.

Quick reply to this message
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to InOmaha For This Useful Post:
Old 05-26-2020, 04:38 PM
n1d's Avatar
n1d n1d is offline
ǝnƃoɹ ǝuoƃ
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Galtís Gulch
Posts: 9,489
Thanks: 68,388
Thanked 27,240 Times in 8,040 Posts
Exclamation CAW!

Pretty funny that wearing a "mask" ha become so political.


edit: freaking "S' key...............

Last edited by n1d; 05-26-2020 at 04:39 PM.. Reason: cause im sure to **** off pam~n~toe
Quick reply to this message
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to n1d For This Useful Post:
Old 05-26-2020, 04:59 PM
ambos lados's Avatar
ambos lados ambos lados is offline
Bushidoka
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: varies, okay? 8-52 deg N
Posts: 2,717
Thanks: 15,363
Thanked 6,327 Times in 2,108 Posts
Default What Was That Again? I Didn't Catch the Difference....

Quote:
Originally Posted by Goodwrench708 View Post
No...you see there is a difference between us Flu bro’s and the chicken littles.... we don’t wish harm on anyone
I get that Flu Bros don't "wish harm" on anyone, though they must concede they may certainly cause harm if they happen to be asymptomatic (or careless) spreaders of the virus. Meanwhile, I'm wondering how the Chicken Littles "wish harm" on someone else? Oh, right, they want others to suffer some discomfort and inconvenience and maybe even a financial penalty for a public good that is debatable, is that it? But who can say they "wish harm" any more than the Flu Bros?

I find it interesting that Goodwrench here is attracting a lot of lightning because of his contemptuous rhetoric. But behind the rhetoric, he is in an interesting situation if he is a bona fide confirmed COVID-19 survivor. And we can expect there will be many more in the same situation in coming weeks and months.

Let's leave aside for now questions of whether and for how long COVID-19 survivors enjoy immunity. Until proven otherwise, I'm willing to assume that, as with most-but-not-all viruses, they do for some period of time after recovering. As such, they are neither at any risk of catching it, nor do they pose the slightest risk to others--mask or no mask.

For them wearing a mask, social distancing, etc. is truly a charade that offers no protection to anyone, and functions purely to calm anxiety by fitting in. Kind of like Goodwrench's rhetoric.

With thousands, going on millions, of recovered COVID-19 patients, working out the social and public health implications of having a growing minority with possible immunity to this scourge is going to lead to some interesting challenges, will it not?
Quick reply to this message
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to ambos lados For This Useful Post:
Old 05-26-2020, 05:00 PM
InOmaha InOmaha is online now
Survivor
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 8,544
Thanks: 7,329
Thanked 29,456 Times in 7,068 Posts
Default

It's not political at all. Masks work. Quarantines work. Herd Immunity works. They use entirely different mechanisms. If each are done improperly, each fails at ridding us of the virus.

We tried a half-hearted quarantine. We overlaid half-hearted masks. Now we're on to opening up more and more with a half-hearted masks, half-hearted quarantines, and some refusing to do anything because "________". The last tells us we should skip all the half-hearted measures and let it rip. If nothing happens, great. It's on the downslope. If it stays the same and kills old people we'll at least have an economy for the future and the rest of us play Logan's Run waiting for our turn when we get too old and fall in the high risk category.

If it flares up into a raging inferno nationwide like NYC or Italy, we know masks and quarantines are not an option in the US and we need to go for herd immunity no matter the numbers.

No politics involved. These are the options we're given and we've been working through them. The country is at option 3 now and this weekend shows a large percentage of people saying screw this crap (i.e. social distancing is dumb, quarantines are a conspiracy, masks are unconstitutional, the virus is the flu, etc., etc.). So we're on to option 4. We'll know which way that goes by end of July. But we need to stop wimping out and doing everything half-hearted or this thing won't go away like the other viruses of the past did.
Quick reply to this message
The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to InOmaha For This Useful Post:
Old 05-26-2020, 05:05 PM
Lagnar's Avatar
Lagnar Lagnar is offline
Retired kafir
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Utah
Posts: 15,920
Thanks: 30,478
Thanked 59,760 Times in 13,524 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by InOmaha View Post
Time to let it loose so we can see. It's either already done, or we'll light her up and burn it out. I don't see the mask thing lasting more than a couple more weeks except in certain businesses unless we get a massive increase.
I'm already seeing it. I hit the market today for some milk and produce. Very few masks and NONE on the school age kids that hang around in groups everywhere. But lets close the schools indefinitely so they don't break the magic 6 foot rule.

I picked up a package at the Post Office as well. Me and the three people waiting in line had masks (PO rules), the PO lady did not.

The local Tee Vee news breathlessly announced the latest deaths and new cases last night. Virtually ALL deaths were in nursing homes with the 15 new cases at a VA facility having NO symptoms. They tested everybody and were surprised when those showed up. So what do you do with the estimated 35% of the population who are asymptomatic? Quarantine over a THIRD of the country?

Unless EVERYBODY is tested multiple times, the asymptomatic will continue to spread this until it burns out.

Isn't there a SB member who has had it THREE times, stayed home and used PPE whenever they went out? All the safety measures don't seem to work very well it seems.
Quick reply to this message
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Lagnar For This Useful Post:
Old 05-26-2020, 05:10 PM
Colt's Avatar
Colt Colt is online now
Grevcon 10
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 12,255
Thanks: 21,199
Thanked 38,567 Times in 9,218 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by InOmaha View Post
It's not political at all. Masks work. Quarantines work. Herd Immunity works. They use entirely different mechanisms. If each are done improperly, each fails at ridding us of the virus.

We tried a half-hearted quarantine. We overlaid half-hearted masks. Now we're on to opening up more and more with a half-hearted masks, half-hearted quarantines, and some refusing to do anything because "________". The last tells us we should skip all the half-hearted measures and let it rip. If nothing happens, great. It's on the downslope. If it stays the same and kills old people we'll at least have an economy for the future and the rest of us play Logan's Run waiting for our turn when we get too old and fall in the high risk category.

If it flares up into a raging inferno nationwide like NYC or Italy, we know masks and quarantines are not an option in the US and we need to go for herd immunity no matter the numbers.

No politics involved. These are the options we're given and we've been working through them. The country is at option 3 now and this weekend shows a large percentage of people saying screw this crap (i.e. social distancing is dumb, quarantines are a conspiracy, masks are unconstitutional, the virus is the flu, etc., etc.). So we're on to option 4. We'll know which way that goes by end of July. But we need to stop wimping out and doing everything half-hearted or this thing won't go away like the other viruses of the past did.
Yep. The important thing here is that people stick to it and live with their decisions. The worst thing now is for all the people who wanted things open to panic when numbers rise and decide they want things closed and start wearing masks and avoiding people, and then change their minds again after a bit and open it back up and throw away their masks, close it, open it, and we just get into a cycle of closing and opening that ensures the virus never fully burns out and never gets fully contained.
Quick reply to this message
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Colt For This Useful Post:
Old 05-26-2020, 05:17 PM
ambos lados's Avatar
ambos lados ambos lados is offline
Bushidoka
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: varies, okay? 8-52 deg N
Posts: 2,717
Thanks: 15,363
Thanked 6,327 Times in 2,108 Posts
Default Hush Your Mouth...

Quote:
Originally Posted by InOmaha View Post
...We tried a half-hearted quarantine. We overlaid half-hearted masks. Now we're on to opening up more and more with a half-hearted masks, half-hearted quarantines, and some refusing to do anything because "________". The last tells us we should skip all the half-hearted measures and let it rip. If nothing happens, great. It's on the downslope. If it stays the same and kills old people we'll at least have an economy for the future and the rest of us play Logan's Run waiting for our turn when we get too old and fall in the high risk category.

If it flares up into a raging inferno nationwide like NYC or Italy, we know masks and quarantines are not an option in the US and we need to go for herd immunity no matter the numbers.
At this rate they will never open the border! I can get to Europe and Asia without going through the US, but how the heck am I supposed to get to my place in Central America or visit my 96 y.o father in California? Forty-nine years of reporting non-resident taxes to Uncle Sam, and now I might as well be a draft dodger or a fugitive! Guys, you are cramping my lifestyle in a way that mask and goggles never would!
Quick reply to this message
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to ambos lados For This Useful Post:
Old 05-26-2020, 05:19 PM
Lagnar's Avatar
Lagnar Lagnar is offline
Retired kafir
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Utah
Posts: 15,920
Thanks: 30,478
Thanked 59,760 Times in 13,524 Posts
Default Great Depression 2020

Quote:
Originally Posted by ambos lados View Post
Oh, right, they want others to suffer some discomfort and inconvenience and maybe even a financial penalty for a public good that is debatable, is that it?
So losing your job, your business, your house or your apartment is an INCONVENIENCE?



Quote:
About of 25% of the workforce is unemployed or underemployed
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/gr...rse-2020-05-08

Quote:
Things are likely to get worse before they get better: Goldman Sachs issued a warning earlier in May that the unemployment rate in the US could peak at 25 percent in 2020, more than at the very height of the Great Depression when the annual jobless figure stood at 24.9 percent in 1933.
https://en.as.com/en/2020/05/20/othe...53_687220.html
Quick reply to this message
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Lagnar For This Useful Post:
Old 05-26-2020, 05:25 PM
556308dawg 556308dawg is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2019
Posts: 185
Thanks: 559
Thanked 430 Times in 131 Posts
Default

Went to walk at our local mall today...95% of people NOT wearing masks, not maintaining 6 foot distance recommendation. In Walmart two days ago, about 80% of customers NOT wearing masks. In my estimation this is a visual IQ test and 80% and 95% of people fail the IQ test...its a visual indication of STUPID! God bless America where we all have the God given right to be stupid! Nearly 100k deaths in America from this virus and some still think its a hoax! How can 100k deaths be a ****ing hoax? You can't pound stupid out of stupid!
Quick reply to this message
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to 556308dawg For This Useful Post:
Old 05-26-2020, 05:33 PM
InOmaha InOmaha is online now
Survivor
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 8,544
Thanks: 7,329
Thanked 29,456 Times in 7,068 Posts
Default

Unemployment here got to 8.3%. But it should go down quickly now that they are opening back up. It was a 5+ percent during the last recession. All the hair dressers are back to work so that should lower it a couple percent. We should be closer to 3-5% soon as things open up, but we lost a lot of touristy stuff this year like concerts, the college world series, the Olympic swim trials, and an NCAA basketball bracket.

Since food is our largest industry, we didn't get hit like other places. It will be interesting to see though how many travel related jobs return. The federal government was one of the largest purchasers of airline tickets and hotel rooms. They probably won't get back to their previous travel levels until after next year. They are already trying to figure out how to space people out more in office buildings by having more people work from home. You know, Trump and all.

I probably won't get to the office building again until after the 4th of July. They already gave me masks to wear.
Quick reply to this message
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to InOmaha For This Useful Post:
Old 05-26-2020, 05:52 PM
Goodwrench708's Avatar
Goodwrench708 Goodwrench708 is online now
SBs Resident Non Prepper
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Georgia-New Hampshire-Dominican Republic
Age: 56
Posts: 6,655
Thanks: 6,738
Thanked 10,740 Times in 4,105 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 556308dawg View Post
Went to walk at our local mall today...95% of people NOT wearing masks, not maintaining 6 foot distance recommendation. In Walmart two days ago, about 80% of customers NOT wearing masks. In my estimation this is a visual IQ test and 80% and 95% of people fail the IQ test...its a visual indication of STUPID! God bless America where we all have the God given right to be stupid! Nearly 100k deaths in America from this virus and some still think its a hoax! How can 100k deaths be a ****ing hoax? You can't pound stupid out of stupid!
This is twice now I think you have made this decision to go to the mall. And both times you had the same complaint
So why do you keep going to these places?
Who is actually having a problem with IQ?
Whatís the real hoax?
Quick reply to this message
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Goodwrench708 For This Useful Post:
Old 05-26-2020, 07:16 PM
ambos lados's Avatar
ambos lados ambos lados is offline
Bushidoka
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: varies, okay? 8-52 deg N
Posts: 2,717
Thanks: 15,363
Thanked 6,327 Times in 2,108 Posts
Default One Swallow Doesn't Make a Spring...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lagnar View Post
...The local Tee Vee news breathlessly announced the latest deaths and new cases last night. Virtually ALL deaths were in nursing homes with the 15 new cases at a VA facility having NO symptoms. They tested everybody and were surprised when those showed up. So what do you do with the estimated 35% of the population who are asymptomatic? Quarantine over a THIRD of the country?

Unless EVERYBODY is tested multiple times, the asymptomatic will continue to spread this until it burns out.
It might not be fair to extrapolate endless new cases from a single round (or even several rounds) of testing the asymptomatic.

Just as exponential increases tend not to continue forever, just as testing more people will tend to increase the number of confirmed cases, expanding your testing to include more asymptomatic will tend to turn up more new cases, too. But why should we expect this trend to last until Kingdom Come? Fewer daily new cases might be a better indicator to show whether you are gaining control at any given level of public health behaviour.

It could also be that knowing where your new cases are coming from is also a better indicator that things are coming under control (assuming you test and isolate contacts of the new cases). Even if you were getting a small number of new cases, but you had no idea where they were coming from, you would still have an uncontrolled outbreak with the potential to flare up.

When we expanded our testing to include more asymptomatic people, the daily new cases went up for the first 3 days. But then they resumed their downward trend. We have now had asymptomatic testing for more than a month, definitely turning up some new lines of community transmission, but these are then quickly traced and monitored. Even with aggressive testing, fingers crossed, daily new cases have so far continued to fall.

As in Singapore and S.Korea, just one mis-handled asymptomatic (or stubborn) superspreader can cause new infections to flare dramatically. But they didn't throw in the towel at such a setback, and I hope you guys won't either.
Quick reply to this message
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to ambos lados For This Useful Post:
Old 05-26-2020, 07:32 PM
Aerindel's Avatar
Aerindel Aerindel is offline
Abnormality biased.
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Montananistan.
Posts: 8,044
Thanks: 10,593
Thanked 22,119 Times in 6,390 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Colt View Post
Yep. The important thing here is that people stick to it and live with their decisions. The worst thing now is for all the people who wanted things open to panic when numbers rise and decide they want things closed and start wearing masks and avoiding people, and then change their minds again after a bit and open it back up and throw away their masks, close it, open it, and we just get into a cycle of closing and opening that ensures the virus never fully burns out and never gets fully contained.
This of course, is probably the most likely.
Quick reply to this message
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Aerindel For This Useful Post:
Old 05-26-2020, 09:50 PM
GrayFoal2's Avatar
GrayFoal2 GrayFoal2 is offline
I am interrogative, yes.
 
Join Date: Feb 2020
Posts: 609
Thanks: 7,128
Thanked 1,981 Times in 493 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lagnar View Post
Isn't there a SB member who has had it THREE times, stayed home and used PPE whenever they went out? All the safety measures don't seem to work very well it seems.
Yikes! Who was that?
Quick reply to this message
The Following User Says Thank You to GrayFoal2 For This Useful Post:
Old 05-26-2020, 09:53 PM
tpals's Avatar
tpals tpals is offline
The Mighty Pen
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: S.D.
Posts: 1,011
Thanks: 6,927
Thanked 11,752 Times in 855 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GrayFoal2 View Post
Yikes! Who was that?
Paravani thinks she's had it three times. Has not been tested yet that I know of.
Quick reply to this message
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to tpals For This Useful Post:
Reply

Bookmarks



Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Survivalist Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:
Gender
Insurance
Please select your insurance company (Optional)

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:34 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright © Kevin Felts 2006 - 2015,
Green theme by http://www.themesbydesign.net