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Where do you get that Allah is Al'Ilah? The God of the Muslium faith is the "God of Abraham, which is the same God of the Jews and Christian faiths...

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The god that Mohammad worshiped was the Egyptian moon god. The mother of the Egyptian moon god was ISIS.
The Muslim faith has nothing to do with Abraham. Don't confuse the Arab people with the Muslim religion. The Muslim religion just started about 1300 years ago. Abraham lived about 1500 years before Jesus.
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The god that Mohammad worshiped was the Egyptian moon god. The mother of the Egyptian moon god was ISIS.
The Muslim faith has nothing to do with Abraham. Don't confuse the Arab people with the Muslim religion. The Muslim religion just started about 1300 years ago. Abraham lived about 1500 years before Jesus.
Funny thing is that Baptism was a ritual that originated with the cult of Isis, absorbed by Christianity to help gain followers.

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Funny thing is that Baptism was a ritual that originated with the cult of Isis, absorbed by Christianity to help gain followers.

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Really the other way around. Satan ( the little god want-a-be) always mocks everything the God of Abraham has. Satan is the Oz behind the curtain of the Egyptian gods.
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Satan doesnt exist outside of God.
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If "the Book" is a reference to the Bible then there is only one "people" that matters: Those who've accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. There is no other door that leads to God's Kingdom! All other religions are either cheap copies or outright cults.

P.S. The other people who "matter" are them who have yet to accept Christ.
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I dont really disagree mauser, but on the same note Christianity did the same thing. So we need to level the playing field. Only religion that I know of for the most part, that really doesnt/didnt go out and seek to convert people is Judaism.
In the modern day. However, this wasn't always so. Two thousand years ago, Jesus observed: "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves." (Matthew 23:15). So it's objectively documented that at one point in history Judaism was a religion that proselytized and sent missionaries. In the apocryphal writings we see that they engaged in violent revolution against ruliing roman authorities.

What happened? The Romans."And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down." (Matthew 24:2). The legions marched into Jerusalem. razed the temple, and it has not been rebuilt to this day. This caused an existential crisis for Judiasm, and fundamentally changed its nature. It permanent removed the idea of the establishment of an earthly kingdom of God from every Jewish mind, vindicating Jesus. Even today, Israel is a JINO kingdom insofar it's mostly a secular democracy.

If you want to fix Islam, destroy Mecca.
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If "the Book" is a reference to the Bible then there is only one "people" that matters: Those who've accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. There is no other door that leads to God's Kingdom! All other religions are either cheap copies or outright cults.
So judaism is a cult?
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Where do you get that Allah is Al'Ilah? The God of the Muslium faith is the "God of Abraham, which is the same God of the Jews and Christian faiths...

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What evidence is there that Islam's "Allah" is the pagan moon god of ancient Mecca?

Consider what the pagan Arabians did to worship their moon god, Allah; they prayed while bowing towards K'abah, the "house of Allah" in Mecca that houses a meteorite - a stone from space - several times a day, visited it once a year, and walked around it several times during their visit.

Muslims pray bowing towards the K'abah in Mecca five times a day.

About two million Muslims visit Mecca every year and walk around the K'abah.

The Muslim "holy" month of Ramadan starts at the sighting of a new crescent moon.

Perched atop churches across the world is the cross, the symbol of the sacrifice made by our God. Perched atop mosques across the world is the crescent moon, the symbol of Allah whom Muhammad chose as the god of Islam.

When confronted with the details above, Muslim typically re-assert that "Allah" still means "al" + "ilah" - i.e., "the" + "god" - and is same as the God of the Bible, not the moon god of pagan Mecca. They even point out that Arabic Christian Bibles uses "Allah" to refer to God.

The "Allah" in the current Arabic Christian Bibles is literally "the God" and does refer to the God of the Bible. Advise Muslims that if this is really the "Allah" they are worshipping, then they should stop bowing down toward a meteorite five times a day and the crescent moon should neither start their "holy" month of Ramadan nor top their mosques. If the Allah they are worshipping is the God of the Bible, then they should worship Him as the Bible instructs.
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So judaism is a cult?
Any religion that rejects the Godhood of Jesus Christ is doomed.
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Can I just clarify that Judaism doesn't deny the deity of Christ (as Paul proved from the OT scriptures who the messiah was)?

Judaism cannot be a cult because it was the only "religion" instituted by God.

Christianity is a relationship with God (the God of Judaism) through Christ (the Messiah of Judaism). Christians have been "grafted in" to Judaism (but without the law).

Islam, however, is most definitely a cult (a murderous one throughout history).
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Any religion that rejects the Godhood of Jesus Christ is doomed.
The funny thing is , now I couldn't care less who s right, who's wrong , I lost my desire to even give a **** , merry Christmas
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^^^ Good Post^^^

And exactly why I told ella before she made this thread, that I avoid the Religious section like the plague that it is.
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Can I just clarify that Judaism doesn't deny the deity of Christ (as Paul proved from the OT scriptures who the messiah was)?

Judaism cannot be a cult because it was the only "religion" instituted by God.

Christianity is a relationship with God (the God of Judaism) through Christ (the Messiah of Judaism). Christians have been "grafted in" to Judaism (but without the law).

Islam, however, is most definitely a cult (a murderous one throughout history).
You're confusing modern "Judaism" with the beliefs and practices of the ancient Israelites. Two different things! The ancient Israelites followed the pure Word of God as it had been delivered to Moses. That Word was a shadow of things to come and looked forward to Christ and the New Covenant. Modern Jews follow the Babylonian Talmud which is a conglomeration of opinions and traditions of men.

Modern Judaism denies the deity and Godhood of Jesus Christ. If they accepted Christ they would be Christians but they do not so they are not.

John 10:9, "I am the door: by Me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture."

John 10:1, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber."

John 14:6, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me."

John 3:18, "He that believeth on Him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

When Christ spoke the above Words who do you think He was speaking to (and with)? Israelites!

NO Christ = NO God
KNOW Christ = KNOW God

Any other teaching is a false teaching which is the foundation of cultism.
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Please note that not a single Christian agreed with this post. Proof that PC rules the day!
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You're confusing modern "Judaism" with the beliefs and practices of the ancient Israelites. Two different things! The ancient Israelites followed the pure Word of God as it had been delivered to Moses. That Word was a shadow of things to come and looked forward to Christ and the New Covenant. Modern Jews follow the Babylonian Talmud which is a conglomeration of opinions and traditions of men.

Modern Judaism denies the deity and Godhood of Jesus Christ. If they accepted Christ they would be Christians but they do not so they are not.
Not being an expert on Judaism, I know that there are many sects of it (both ancient and modern). I've met many Messianic Jews (today) who follow Judaism and are born again Christians (like Paul and the other apostles, or the early church in Jerusalem). I also read that the people of God (Israelites) will again turn toward their God (Eze 38 & 39, for example). Notice that nowhere are Jews commanded to come out of Judaism, but to accept Christ. Therefore, my point is that one can be in Judaism and saved at the same time; Judaism IS compatible with Christianity when one accepts the New Covenant. Since Judaism, as a religion, does not deny the deity of Christ, it is not doomed and does not fall under your statement. I wasn't (am not) arguing with you; only pointing out that there is still one religion (instituted by God) that is not doomed - Judaism (under the new covenant). And also remember that Christians are grafted in to the Jewish tree; not a replacement of it.

To be clear, Judaism doesn't save; Jesus does. But Judaism is not a false religion; it has only grown into something that it was not before the time of Christ.

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I have never heard 'the people of the book' being referred except to Jews. It often stuns me when I see Christians highlighting and writing in their bibles. Jews would never do this--it is defacing holy text.

In fact the most pious among Jews are buried with holy books; it is an honor.
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Can I just clarify that Judaism doesn't deny the deity of Christ (as Paul proved from the OT scriptures who the messiah was)?

Judaism cannot be a cult because it was the only "religion" instituted by God.

Christianity is a relationship with God (the God of Judaism) through Christ (the Messiah of Judaism). Christians have been "grafted in" to Judaism (but without the law).

Islam, however, is most definitely a cult (a murderous one throughout history).
wow are you confused...Judaism doesn't deny the deity of christ? as proved by paul? christ is the messiah of Judaism? no, no and no.

oh dear you are confused...get yourself a copy of the old testament and start from chaper 1 page 1--and not a king James version either....where the old testament ends is the end of all biblical text that Jews believe.

A Christian interpretation of what Jews believe isn't anything close to cogent.
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To be clear, Judaism doesn't save; Jesus does. But Judaism is not a false religion; it has only grown into something that it was not before the time of Christ.

Blessings.
Catholicism, Mormonism, and the Jehovah's Witnesses are all examples of religions that have "grown into something" that is not in line with God's written Word.

Bottom line: ANY religion that does not point it's believers to the saving blood of Jesus Christ IS a false religion. Period. No ifs, ands, or buts. Sorry about that.
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ActionJackson--it doesn't sound like you're sorry about that at all...you are as deeply finatical in your religion-- which leaves zero room for other beliefs and tolerance as the islamists; America was BORN out of the belief of religious freedom--to worship and believe as you personally saw fit.

The new testiment was written by MEN through their interpretation of G-d's word which includes any and all of the religions mentioned in your post.

Were it not for the old testiment, you would not have a new testiment. Jesus was born a Jew and died a Jew. I beg to differ when you say Judiasm doesn't save; it is not Judiasm, it is G-d that does. You have an intermediary, we have a direct line. We have far more than one book that teaches the foundational structure of how to live one's life in accordance with G-d's word.

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