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I'm not sure if this belongs in this section or not, but some of the people I have been talking to don't seem to understand how the future of you're children and then you're children's children are going to be hurt by our current events. Growing up in Nevada, Las Vegas area has always been a rough time. It got worse to around the time of the start of this terrible economy my schools have all gotten budget cuts and all these crazies going around and killing people. I grew up learning a lot about my weapons and history. I don't want all these gun bans to affect me and in the near future. All the gun laws in California are crazy. Imagine one day where almost every state is like that?

Is there a point where people won't want to take this anymore and do something?

You can either tell me that I'm wrong or you agree with Obama. Which I don't.
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I weep for Your Future, and that of My Daughter. You and Your Peers will have to Pay some Heavy Penalties in Taxes and Work Product, to restore the U.S. to the Freedoms Those of My Generation enjoyed in the 50's through the 90's....

If you choose as a Generation to put in the Hard Work, the Political Battles, and all the Financial Pain that My Generation has saddled you with, You MAY leave a Glorious America to Your Heirs.

If, However, You (As a Group) decide to just "ride the system" and take all you can get from the Gummint, then America will be OVER.

I apologize to You for my part in the Denouement of the U.S. - I was too busy to pay attention to Politics, until I was around 40 or so. I did exercise My Vote for President, Senators, and Representatives from the First time I could, but I did not think that School Board elections were Important - THEY ARE! I did Not think that Local Sheriff, Local Mayor, Local Judges, Local Tax Assessors were Important - THEY ARE! I did not actively push for Laws that Affirmed Our Freedoms, but I should have.

Creeping Incrementalism of the "Progressives" stole a march on Me and My Heirs. For that I am Abjectly Apologetic, and I do Solemnly Swear, by All That I hold Dear, that I will bend my remaining Days' Efforts to Pushing Back against all that is Despoiling This Once Great Land and People.

You need Not Forgive Me, I Don't Deserve it.
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I look our future in the eye, and I think to myself, "This is not the future that I want for me, my nieces and nephews, my children, my grandchildren." I would rather die on my feet then live on my knees, to a tyrannical dictator.

I do NOT plan on sitting around and waiting on some else to "Fix" things.
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I'm not sure if this belongs in this section or not, but some of the people I have been talking to don't seem to understand how the future of you're children and then you're children's children are going to be hurt by our current events. Growing up in Nevada, Las Vegas area has always been a rough time. It got worse to around the time of the start of this terrible economy my schools have all gotten budget cuts and all these crazies going around and killing people. I grew up learning a lot about my weapons and history. I don't want all these gun bans to affect me and in the near future. All the gun laws in California are crazy. Imagine one day where almost every state is like that?

Is there a point where people won't want to take this anymore and do something?

You can either tell me that I'm wrong or you agree with Obama. Which I don't.
The reaction motion wide is not as bad as you might fear.

My reading of Obama's most recent executive orders is he blinked. I expected him to push the envelope of unconstitutional executive orders. He did not. Although he is asking congress to try. His reading seems to be win or lose he will be more powerful and popular. So far he has been right in the blue states.

If one looks at what he did order they hi lite his incompetence. Who would have thought that the current background checks were not linked with up-to-date data. The idea that a person convicted or judged criminally insane in NY could move to North Carolina and not be picked up in a NC gun buy background check is pure incompetence.

As for questions from doctors about my guns. I will refuse to answer. I think years ago I filled out such a survey at a doctor's office. I did not give it a second thought. I answered truthfully figuring it was some goofy study and answering would help the gun cause.

But now that it is part of the government's probe into my privacy I will never answer such a question again.

My feelings were similar on magazine capacity. I prefer smaller mags because my aim is better in certain positions and more comfortable to carry. So I was ambivalent about the ban of mags greater than 15 or 30. But because the move to a number less than 15 is absurd, I object to any limit.

Time is on our side if we can hold on in the near term. The huge numbers of sales in recent weeks have helped our cause. Since a law banning previous sales is unconstitutional possession laws like in NY will not stand a constitutional ex post facto test.
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We are not implementing the principles of liberty. Our society has been slowly indoctrinated into a socialist society.

This is slowly heading towards it inevitable end which is to have a tyrannical government and a much less prosperous people.

The bedrocks of this demise are SS/Medicare and an empirical military complex.

Americans today are not courageous enough to live true liberty which feeds prosperity. We are addicted to entitlements and safety nets that are dragging us into a socialist demise.

Until Americans can get the federal government out of their person needs and wants(healthcare, housing, food, education, incomes and retirements) we will not have liberty or pass prosperity to our posterity.
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I weep for Your Future, and that of My Daughter. You and Your Peers will have to Pay some Heavy Penalties in Taxes and Work Product, to restore the U.S. to the Freedoms Those of My Generation enjoyed in the 50's through the 90s....

If you choose as a Generation to put in the Hard Work, the Political Battles, and all the Financial Pain that My Generation has saddled you with, You MAY leave a Glorious America to Your Heirs.

If, However, You (As a Group) decide to just "ride the system" and take all you can get from the Gummint, then America will be OVER.

I apologize to You for my part in the Denouement of the U.S. - I was too busy to pay attention to Politics, until I was around 40 or so. I did exercize My Vote for President, Senator, and Representatives from the First time I could, but I did not think that School Board elections were Important - THEY ARE! I did Not think that Local Sheriff, Local Mayor, Local Judges, Local Tax Assessors were Important - THEY ARE! I did not actively push for Laws that Affirmed Our Freedoms, but I should have.

Creeping Incrementalism of the "Progressives" stole a march on Me and My Heirs. For that I am Abjectly Apologetic, and I do Solemnly Swear, by All That I hold Dear, that I will bend my remaining Days' Efforts to Pushing Back against all that is Despoiling This Once Great Land and People.

You need Not Forgive Me, I Don't Deserve it.
I'm not mad at the people who could not see it. I was just concerned if people were aware really that what's happening right now is going to and it will affect kids like jodier and I. I'm sure if I was much older I would pushed things to the side and figured nothing wrong was going to happen or if anything that I did would affect anything. Good that you help now to suppress what's happening. At least it's now then never?
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Young buck, you are wise beyond your years and already way ahead of the curve.

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I'm not sure if this belongs in this section or not, but some of the people I have been talking to don't seem to understand how the future of you're children and then you're children's children are going to be hurt by our current events. Growing up in Nevada, Las Vegas area has always been a rough time. It got worse to around the time of the start of this terrible economy my schools have all gotten budget cuts and all these crazies going around and killing people. I grew up learning a lot about my weapons and history. I don't want all these gun bans to affect me and in the near future. All the gun laws in California are crazy. Imagine one day where almost every state is like that?

Is there a point where people won't want to take this anymore and do something?

You can either tell me that I'm wrong or you agree with Obama. Which I don't.
who knows what the world will look like after this financial collapse, world war, cometary impact, and ice age. one thing is for sure it will be completely different than it is now.
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My state borders Nevada so our cultures are in some respects similar. Utah's founders also settled Las Vegas. It's good that your eyes are wide open to what is going on. Life is long and you have a great deal of time to get your personal goals and actions in order so-to-speak.

People blame specific generations for what is going on, namely 'baby boomers' for their consumerism and poor choices in leadership. Personally, I blame 'boomers' for raising spoiled children and then inflicting them upon society. Yeah, there have definitely been some REALLY poor choices but many, many of us have been fighting the political shift to the left for decades now. It just seems like individualism and self reliance are being bred out of us except in isolated places.

The coming collapse of society is partly the result of a systemic indifference to death and violence in general. Violent movies, violent video games, the coarsening of behavior, the importation of violent gangs, and the de-sensitization of children to death and killing through media is what produced the Adam Lanzas of the world. Plus, it doesn't help that an entire religion condones the killing of 'infidels' or non-believers.

If I was young and ready to start out I would find a place that mirrors my philosophy and values and then move there. It's tough to leave family and friends but anybody who goes away to college does just that. Not all states are the same. Check out the gun laws of Wyoming and Montana for starters.

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It's all rhetorical. There is no peaceful or political happy ending.
No matter how we vote, or who we complain to our fate is sealed. The Government has been bought and paid for. Our rights have been whittled away for decades, not just our 2A either. Within 10 years society will be degraded to the status of lemmings.
I have grandchildren who will never know what it was like to even have SOME freedoms like we did before Obama. I can only imaine how those among us who are in their 60+ years that can remember how the world was before all of this.
We have no other course of action. It's a reboot of our country or to just shut up and ride the wave out. Truth is, most Americans, even you patriots, can not see past your next paycheck. You really don't care about your kids futures. You care about RIGHT NOW. Until you can see consequences of doing nothing, we will continue to just fade away.
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My state borders Nevada so our cultures are in some respects similar. Utah's founders also settled Las Vegas. It's good that your eyes are wide open to what is going on. Life is long and you have a great deal of time to get your personal goals and actions in order so-to-speak.

People blame specific generations for what is going on, namely 'baby boomers' for their consumerism and poor choices in leadership. Personally, I blame 'boomers' for raising spoiled children and then inflicting them upon society. Yeah, there have definitely been some REALLY poor choices but many, many of us have been fighting the political shift to the left for decades now. It just seems like individualism and self reliance are being bred out of us except in isolated places.

The coming collapse of society is partly the result of a systemic indifference to death and violence in general. Violent movies, violent video games, the coarsening of behavior, the importation of violent gangs, and the de-sensitization of children to death and killing through media is what produced the Adam Lanzas of the world. Plus, it doesn't help that an entire religion condones the killing of 'infidels' or non-believers.

If I was young and ready to start out I would find a place that mirrors my philosophy and values and then move there. It's tough to leave family and friends but anybody who goes away to college does just that. Not all states are the same. Check out the gun laws of Wyoming and Montana for starters.

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I will not try to dodge my generation's share of responsibility for the current mess. But, it predates us. It was the, so called and poorly named, greatest generation, that spent like drunk sailors. They also raised a, by in large, a generation of worthless hippies.

My parents were the generation of drunkard child abusers. They spawn a generation of drug addicts expecting a life without work. Only a few of us escaped the curse of the greatest generation.

If the current generation fails to embrace personal responsibility freedom has no chance.

I have tried to make it my responsibility to give my children and grandchildren an honest work ethic and an inheritance that will permit them to be secure regardless of the behavior of their generation. I was never a hippy and have never been an addict to legal or illegal drugs.

Do your best by your progeny in spite of what others say or do. That is all the control you have in life.
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I remain hopeful that the pendulum will swing back. It will most likely get worse before it gets better. I'm 60 with a son getting out of college next year. I've worked hard and put some aside, but rather than spend it on "the finer things", I find myself hoarding it away so that when I'm gone he'll still be able to have a decent life. Pretty sad that we have to think that way.

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You know the "good old days" weren't always good
And tomorrow ain't as bad as it seems.

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Is there a point where people won't want to take this anymore and do something?

...all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
- Thomas Jefferson

Everything I see tells me we are a very very very long way from the evils of government becoming unsufferable for most people. There will be no revolution, altho a few political heads may roll next year in November. Learn to be at peace with the world you have even as you strive to make it a better place. That is the way of the happy warrior.

Almost all gun laws are badly thought out affronts to common sense and the Constitution. I am in California, now the second or third most restrictive state in the US re. guns. With the exception of CCW laws in the major population centers, the laws here still have no practical effect on my ability to hunt, shoot recreationally or protect my home. People vote on pragmatism not principle so, though a couple of legislators may lose their seats, no huge voter revolution is going to happen here and probably not NY.

"You can either tell me that I'm wrong or you agree with Obama."

I can tell you both. You are wrong AND I don't agree with Obama. The US in general is a good place and not going to heII in a handbasket. The future here is as good as or better than any other place on Earth.
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I will not try to dodge my generation's share of responsibility for the current mess. But, it predates us. It was the, so called and poorly named, greatest generation, that spent like drunk sailors. They also raised a, by in large, a generation of worthless hippies.

My parents were the generation of drunkard child abusers. They spawn a generation of drug addicts expecting a life without work. Only a few of us escaped the curse of the greatest generation.

If the current generation fails to embrace personal responsibility freedom has no chance.

I have tried to make it my responsibility to give my children and grandchildren an honest work ethic and an inheritance that will permit them to be secure regardless of the behavior of their generation. I was never a hippy and have never been an addict to legal or illegal drugs.

Do your best by your progeny in spite of what others say or do. That is all the control you have in life.
Well, maybe more than a few. Isn't every parent's goal to make life for their kids better than what they had? With the prosperity that came after the end of WWII that was easier to do and ended up spoiling a generation.

I grew up with the hippies and didn't like them one bit. Its more about culture, ingrained culture, than the world around us.

Thanks for raising good kids. We are going to need them.
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