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Old 08-23-2019, 03:35 PM
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Ever try burning wet wood. You need a lot of gas to make that fire happen. Once all the dead wood burns fire goes out. Give it a try, cut down a nice big tree and try to light it on fire.
You do realize the intense heat of a forest fire dries out live trees and moisture, right? That's why everything burns.
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Fire actually stimulates growth. It eradicates the forest of decaying plant matter and provides a boost in nutrients into the soil. It also clears out the invasive weeds and plants to allow the other species to grow. Not to mention the killing off of bugs. The worst of fires typically don't do anything to trees, so they grow really fast afterwards in order to beat the competition.


Fire is a necessity and was probably overdue...
If the land was allowed to become forest again then you'd be right but the problem is that it's likely going to be turned into cattle grazing land and other industrial uses to make some rich folks richer.

People tripped over themselves to throw millions in donations for Notre Dame Cathedral fire. Stuff like this that is far more important just doesn't get as much attention.

Interesting situation because yes it's a sovereign country but the whole world will suffer if the Amazon forest is destroyed.
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I WAS watching a show on the science channel one time and it was on the Amazon and this one scientist addressed the "lungs of the earth " bit about the Amazon. He said that there is so much life in the Amazon that the life there pretty much uses up the oxygen created by the rain forest and that the role it played in the greater stream of things wasn't it was for the world... it was for Brazill and the surrounding areas .
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I agree with you, but I sure wish there was as a workaround. I also understand their need to develop their economy and to do that they need industry. I just canít help but think this might be an event that is worse than most, if what they say about the lungs of the planet is true
I have no insight as to Brazil's economy or industry, but it makes no sense to develop either in the middle of a jungle with next to zero access.

IMHO many of the fires are being started by farmers who are clearing the jungle so they can plant crops they can sell.

Which doesn't work out so well because the soil is so poor.

https://wtamu.edu/~cbaird/sq/2013/07...rests-so-rich/

The rain forest soil is highly acidic. Fires create ashes that are alkaline and help neutralize the acid so regrowth is enhanced. And since the rain forest will still be rained on after the fires are out, new stuff will quickly grow in its place. That is if it isn't permanently cleared instead.

The satellite picture in the OP is a bit misleading. The red is not the fires, it's the smoke plume which is bad enough. The wild fires in the US also created smoke plumes that could be seen from space. I remember the Yellowstone fire and how the smoke blotted out the sun a hundred miles away and the ash coated everything.

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Why the attention to Brazil and not Siberia?

https://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/g...vince-continue

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The spate of Siberian wildfires began in July 2019 in areas difficult to access in northern Krasnoyarsk Krai, the Sakha Republic and Zabaykalsky Krai, all of which are within Russia's Siberian Province. By the end of that month the size of the fires had reached 2.6 million hectares (ha) (6.4 million acres). According to Russian News Agency TASS quoting the Krasnoyarsk Forest Fire Center, the causes of forest fires are natural due to 30-degree Celsius heat (86 degrees Fahrenheit), gusts of wind and dry thunderstorms.
Not good. Any of it.
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The inner, Western region of Brazil is mostly empty of people. it is why they moved their capital inland... to encourage people to move inland from the coasts. The Mato Grosso still has naked headhunters running around with poison darts.

I doubt anyone set the fires intentionally. People burn trash and they smoke, and lightning storms happen. If there is no fire dept for a 1000 miles, the fire can grow as big as it wants. While we in the US have 4 seasons, in Brazil, they have 2 seasons. The wet rainy season, and the dry season. This also influences their cost of power, since they have a huge amount of hydro power generation.

Power is cheaper in the wet season.

Dry season is May-August.

https://www.climatestotravel.com/climate/brazil
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Tribes in the Amazon just won a years long court battle to regain the right to their ancestral lands 5 or 6 weeks ago when a panel of judges ruled in favor of the tribes and declared 500,000 acres would be protected from mining and drilling.
3 weeks ago the forest mysteriously started burning. IMO not a natural disaster.
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The Amazon area is in Northern Brazil and the neighboring countries to the north.

The fires are all along Western Brazil. More in the Mato Grosso area than the Amazon. Although parts of the Amazon are included.
And Brazil has called in their military to fight the fires.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/b...t-amazon-fires
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OK, back to reality, folks.

The Brazil fires are nowhere near record levels, and much if not most of the burning is farmers preparing land that is already cleared for planting. The Amazon rain forest is NOT going up in smoke.

HOAX

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/08/...ry-since-2003/
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/08/...-fires-update/
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Check out this interactive map of all the fires going on in the world today.

https://fires.globalforestwatch.org/...=-9.657960&z=8

There is a menu where you can pick different base maps. Pick the Landsat one and zoom in on various places and you can see the terrain. Note that much of the fires in Brazil are where the land is being cleared or has been cleared for farming.

The actual Amazon basin where the river is has few fires.

You can switch back and forth between the topo map and the Landsat map. Now check out Africa. The entire island of Madagascar looks to be on fire.

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Fewer fires than years past.

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Oh-oh... even the NY Slimes admits it



I wonder who benefits from this disinformation push.

Not that clear cutting the Brazilian forests in order to grow palm oil is a good thing.

https://www.theguardian.com/sustaina...g-para-cerrado

Still green but no biological diversity.
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In the Midwest the farmers burn to kill weeds and improve the grazing. It looks like Brazil is doing the same thing
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There's the G7 summit going on. maybe they're trying to influence Macron and Frau Merkel?
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In the Midwest the farmers burn to kill weeds and improve the grazing. It looks like Brazil is doing the same thing
Of course. Or would the greenies rather they used Roundup?
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Lol, same old suspects claiming it's a hoax and nothing to be worried about.
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I only care about the facts
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Lol, same old suspects claiming it's a hoax and nothing to be worried about.
Yup, same old suspects aren't gonna just stay silent for yr globalist Bravo Sierra. If we don't fight back, who will?
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Then I would encourage you to browse through various news outlets on the topic at hand to get a holistic view of the issue to see what is actually going on. You can do better than certain posters here that are referring to one website that continuously misrepresents (or fails to acknowledge) human impact on the environments. Don't let ideology get in the way of realizing that what is happening actually matters and has consequences.
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Well, here's another web site for you, CoE:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...a-congo-brazil

Not that I love ZH, but the satellite pictures in this article pretty much tell the story. If there's any place that's "on fire", it's Angola, not Brazil. So why the big panic about Brazil? Maybe to somehow discredit Bolsonaro?

Your meme is used male bovine fodder. None of the real data support you. Only the Mainstream Propaganda Machine.
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Wow, interesting that the Brazil fire is in 3rd place right now compared to the fires in Africa.

I think the photo of Sao Paulo being in darkness from the smoke in the afternoon probably made it get more attention. I don't think that happens very often, but it hardly means the world is coming to an end.

Sao Paulo is their financial and business capital, so rather like NYC going pitch black from smoke in the afternoon.
it will definitely make the headlines.
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Smoke plumes like that are not uncommon in the western USA. My friend in Idaho counts the wet year they've had as a great blessing. Normally she'd be wearing a respirator at times. This year (touch wood) no major fires.
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