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Old 08-19-2019, 09:19 AM
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After 18 years of American involvement, the nonsense between Sunni and Shiite continue. https://apnews.com/b5ceb0cfb33d4d73aaaadf5eee19fe9d

How can America responsibly leave?
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Old 08-19-2019, 09:38 AM
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None of our business, and America has bombed its own share of weddings.

We can't get out of there fast enough.
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9/11 made it our business, didn't it?
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Wow, what a horrible tragedy. Despicable.
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9/11 made it our business, didn't it?
Most of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis. Of the 19 hijackers, 15 were Saudi. None were Afghanis.
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Most of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis. Of the 19 hijackers, 15 were Saudi. None were Afghanis.
Irrelevant. They trained and carried out the 9/11 plans, not from Saudi Arabia but Afghanistan.
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We will never eliminate radical Islam. We will never bring successful civilized society nor democracy to the middle East. These goals are impossible. Why should we continue to endlessly chase our tail a world away, at the cost of lives and taxpayer dollars for impossible goals. The goat herders and sand farmers will always kill each other mercilessly, I say let them.

Pen up the savages in their part of the world and leave them be. We can defend ourselves without spending decades trying to fix a broken culture.

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We will never eliminate radical Islam.
What countries these days are dominated by White Supremacism?

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We will never bring successful civilized society nor democracy to the middle East.
Never heard of Israel?

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Why should we continue to endlessly chase our tail a world away, at the cost of lives and taxpayer dollars for impossible goals.
Better the fight is there than here.
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Better the fight is there than here.
Maybe if we minded our own business and stayed out of the middle east, we wouldn't have to fight at all.
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Maybe if we minded our own business and stayed out of the middle east, we wouldn't have to fight at all.
Blame America First policy, eh?

Islam is the driver of conflict, not American trade in the region.
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Cant wait to hear this. Whats your solution this time Peter ?
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Cant wait to hear this. Whats your solution this time Peter ?
Victory. The ideology of Islam has to be recognized for what it is, the scourge of humanity and the enemy of Western Civilization for centuries.

By thinking in terms of nationality, Afghan alone, we incorrectly identify the problem.
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IMO let them continue to kill each other, been going on for a thousand years. They dont want democracy they are happy with tribal rule. They dont want us there they only want our $.IMO we could have finished this right after 9-11. we had innocent civillians 3000 killed so we should have just used our airforce and navy to destroy that country, then tell the world OK who,s next, I dont think those mideast countries or anyone else would have got in line to attack us again, JMO
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Victory. The ideology of Islam has to be recognized for what it is, the scourge of humanity and the enemy of Western Civilization for centuries.

By thinking in terms of nationality, Afghan alone, we incorrectly identify the problem.
I asked you for your solution. Your response reveals you don't have one, and likely wouldn't be able to provide one even remotely grounded in reality if given 18 years to chew on it. Carry on.
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Peter, I think you meant Radical Islam. Our God loves these people also and looks to you and me to bring them closer to Him.
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Hey Fonz, if you read his post carefully, I think you'll see he did imply the solution. It's a bigger problem than just Afghanistan. And it's not just "radical" Islam. That larger victory will not be easy or quick. As Peter suggests, we first have to Id the real problem before we take it on.
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Nate: to this day I can't watch the TV repeats of the plains flying into the buildings. On the other hand, the USA has it's own problems at home. Mass shootings, terrible politicians, a loss of an honest fear of God. In the early 60's the ACLU and a non believer in God convinced the weak knee politicians at the time to prohibit Prayer and the 10 Commandments in the Public school system. Now we are at the point in History that we have to look for ways to protect our families. SCARRY
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And... Islam will never be "solved." It's an incompatible belief system from the Middle Ages.
The only way to "solve" Islam, to paraphrase Coulter... is to invade their countries, kill/remove their leadership, and convert them to Christianity/democracy.

Nothing about their current state is going to be OK with modern civilization.
Perhaps if they go through an Islamic Reformation, a la Martin Luther? Who knows. But I don't think the ideology is compatible with that, either.

It's an inflexible, intolerant, knowledge rejecting cult. At no point do we "win" against it. Kill it, or succumb to it. There is no middle ground IMHO.
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Victory. The ideology of Islam has to be recognized for what it is, the scourge of humanity and the enemy of Western Civilization for centuries.

By thinking in terms of nationality, Afghan alone, we incorrectly identify the problem.

This is the problem Peter, there is no victory. We can not eliminate a religion and it's culture. It's not possible. We would have to kill them all. Not a realistic goal. We don't need the middle East and their oil. Let them be.

Israel uses us for our strength to push their own agenda in the region. They are fully capable of taking care of their own. Why should my Countrymen die for Israel? 1 American Life is worth more than 10, 100, 1000 or a million Israeli lives; they are not my Countrymen.


The countries of the middle East cannot touch us , any myth to the latter is just that, a myth. Do you seriously think we will see D-Day on our shores with a bunch of Iraqis, Afgans, Iranians, or Turkish? Bull. They farm heroin and sand, **** donkeys and sheep, we ran over the strongest military in the East in a matter of days. The old saying "fight them there or we have to fight them here" is bull. They are nothing. They will never be anything. Leave them be, let them busy themselves killing each other.


And stop sacrificing my Countrymen to this bull**** war that accomplishes nothing! They are worth more to me than that.

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Hey Fonz, if you read his post carefully, I think you'll see he did imply the solution. It's a bigger problem than just Afghanistan. And it's not just "radical" Islam. That larger victory will not be easy or quick. As Peter suggests, we first have to Id the real problem before we take it on.
I read it carefully, which is why my response was what it was. A failure to ground any solution, policy or implementation in REALITY consistently produces costly and repeated failure in practice.

That has been the record of neocon and neolib policy makers that have advocated for and later guided US efforts in Afghanistan and other interventions throughout the world.

The tripe that Peter responded with is no different, nor would the results be any less spectacularly disastrous.
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