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Old 08-05-2019, 11:55 PM
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I own two Para-Ordnance P-14s either customized or custom-built, and they're a joy to shoot - more accurate than I am, and the 15 rounds puts them right up there with most other high capacity handguns out there.

But they're all steel handguns with 16 rounds of .45 ACP - while it's plausible that one could CCW them, it's a lot of weight dragging down most people's belts. .
Get one with an aluminum frame.
(Both types were made)

With slim grips not that much more weight (till loaded) and not much bigger.
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Get one with an aluminum frame.
(Both types were made)

With slim grips not that much more weight (till loaded) and not much bigger.
I'll look around. Must admit, I've never heard of them having an aluminum frame. I think with the overall platform envelope, however, that for most occasions I'm just as well served with a J-frame-sized pistol and nearly the same number of rounds.

But it's worth checking into nevertheless! Thanks.
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Apropos of nothing more than gratuitous 1911 porn...

This was the last issued 1911A1 I carried for Uncle Sam (2010-2011 Iraq):





1942 USGI mix-master (Colt frame) with unit gunsmith upgrades, including fitted NM barrel, Wilson trigger/bushing, etc. Had already seen 68 years of service when it I carried it. I wore that gun on my hip (CCW in a Galco Side Snap Scabbard leather holster) or open carry on my CIRAS armor (tucked into a 5.56 shingle) all day, every day, for over a year. Probably still on somebody's hip somewhere downrange today...

Not pretty, but a perfectly functional warhorse.

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Old 08-06-2019, 12:13 AM
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I'll look around. Must admit, I've never heard of them having an aluminum frame. I think with the overall platform envelope, however, that for most occasions I'm just as well served with a J-frame-sized pistol and nearly the same number of rounds.

But it's worth checking into nevertheless! Thanks.
Mine does.

I actually had to Google it to see that they were made With both, thought they were all Al! (The couple I've seen have been)



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Apropos of nothing more than gratuitous 1911 porn...

This was the last issued 1911A1 I carried for Uncle Sam (2010-2011 Iraq):

1942 USGI mix-master (Colt frame) with unit gunsmith upgrades, including fitted NM barrel, Wilson trigger/bushing, etc. Had already seen 68 years of service when it I carried it. Probably still on somebody's hip somewhere downrange today...

Not pretty, but a perfectly functional warhorse.

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All ours had Pachmyer wraparounds on them. Some had parts I REALLY wanted to swap around and walk off with!!!!

when I knew I couldn't be a 0321 anymore but didn't know I'd be out I thought about trying for 2112.
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But are they better "Manstoppers" than the ancient Charter Arms .44 Special 4 inch 19 ounce Bulldog? Or are they just make you feel warm and fuzzy pocket protectors? Proofs in the pudding! JMHO
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Another 1911A1 carried across a previous Iraq tour [3/10 SFG(A)]...



Took that picture right before adding the King's Hardball rear sights to match the already installed narrow tenon front sight blade.
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Another 1911A1 carried across a previous Iraq tour [3/10 SFG(A)]...

Ever carried a (Remington Rand) into conflict?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reming...le:M1911A1.png
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Ever carried a (Remington Rand) into conflict?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reming...le:M1911A1.png
That was one of the parts (slide....) I was talking about!
(All ours had dovetail cuts though)
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That was one of the parts (slide....) I was talking about!
(All ours had dovetail cuts though)
Mine was actual Original Reissue. (Sucks to get Old, yet it's better than the alternative.)
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Yes. 1992. Iraq again. Both frame & slide. You?

No Singer though. Damn the luck...
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Yes. 1992. Iraq again. Both frame & slide. You?

No Singer though. Damn the luck...
Sorry BOY'S, by 1992 the 1911 I was issued was made in Florida, USA. Just like the paraffin wax chocolate bars. You didn't really expect chocolate to withstand Desert Temperatures did you. ( Research Saint Augustine on Y'all's MRE Chocolate bars.) LOL LOL
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Cary a 1911? Why on earth would I do that? My revolver carries 5 perfectly good .357 rounds.

At least, thatís what Iíd say if I were a revolver guy.

Though I DO have and sometimes carry a 5 round 357 revolver, itís not my preferred carry gun. I prefer the P3AT.....
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I still like to carry a 1911 on occasion; a Dan Wesson CBOB (Commander-sized). It's typically only during the winter when I can carry an OWB covered up by a light jacket or over-shirt. While the CBOB is a steel frame, it carries well with a good holster and gun belt. Best thing about a quality 1911 is that they fit my hand well and are often very accurate for me. My only concession is that I will routinely carry two spare magazines (again, another reason for limited carrying during the winter months).



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Get one with an aluminum frame.
(Both types were made)

With slim grips not that much more weight (till loaded) and not much bigger.


Not sure about the 14.45, but I have the smaller P12.45 with aluminum frame. It was my camping gun for a long time given it was a compact-sized .45 with 13 rounds and was relatively light with the aluminum frame.

Didn't someone pick up the Para Ordnance company when it closed (or sold out)?

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Or sticking with the low cap 1911?
HOW do you improve on perfection???
JMB-1911, that is where all handgun tinkering should have stopped.

AND.. if you know how to shoot, 8 is pretty much enough for all occasions.
OR
Go Wilson and get 8 round mags. They work and if you can't stop a situation in 9 shots of .45ACP, then you shouldn't be sending all those misses down range endangering all those folks who did not sign up to play.

Way back in the dark ages there was the bit about if your partner runs out if everyone is carrying the same you can resupply him from your belt.
My response was if my partner can't stop his problem with 18 rounds I sure wasn't going to add to the civil liability situation by giving him more rounds to miss with.
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Way back in the dark ages there was the bit about if your partner runs out if everyone is carrying the same you can resupply him from your belt.

My response was if my partner can't stop his problem with 18 rounds I sure wasn't going to add to the civil liability situation by giving him more rounds to miss with.
Bingo!!! If your skills suck that bad that you need that many rounds then you need to spend more time training!

Alternatively, if you're going into an area where you need that many rounds, either reconsider or at least be smart enough to consider bringing a few friends along.
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ill have you know its not just 1911 guys using low cap pistols.. i happen to carry an 8 rounder as well
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Bingo!!! If your skills suck that bad that you need that many rounds then you need to spend more time training!

Alternatively, if you're going into an area where you need that many rounds, either reconsider or at least be smart enough to consider bringing a few friends along.
When you consider how many times you hear of supposedly "trained" police dumping full mags and a reload in a fight, and at contact distances yet, makes you wonder sometimes if its training or just life.

Everyone likes to think they are expert shots, and shooting deliberately, slow fire, at a static target, they look like good shots, but add stress, movement, and less than perfect hits and a target thats not going down when you think it should, even higher cap guns can come up dry pretty quick.

I just never understood the thinking, especially with guns of comparable size, why having more onboard ammo is a bad thing? Who really thinks that?

If youre worried that they arent hitting with the high cap, how are they possibly going to make out with a lower cap gun? Makes no sense.

Capacity doesnt make you a better or worse shooter. You can either shoot or you cant.

Reality is, no matter how many rounds are in the gun, it takes exactly what it takes to solve the problem. The only real question then is, do you have enough?
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How about because I shoot with a few cops two of whom run the ranges for their respective agencies. I get to hear it directly from the sources how bad some of these "highly trained" officers are.

BTW, those two regularly shoot IPSC and IDPA so they are not standing around just shooting at static targets.
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So are these cops better off with a lower cap gun, or are we better off, from a safety aspect, that they have them?


Over the years, Ive shot with and against a lot of cops and military-trained shooters, and a lot of them were at best, borderline competent, and a number of them werent even that. A few were downright scary in their gun handling.

I still dont see, or understand, how deliberately limiting yourself to lower capacity is a good thing. Especially in this day and age where most seem to be seeking the high caps.

If you can shoot, you can shoot well with any of them. Capacity, or lack of it, does not make you a better shooter. Time spent in regular practice does that.

With the higher capacity guns, you have the advantage of being able to stay in the fight longer, and without having to reload as often. So wheres the negative?

I have a number of 1911's, shoot them on a regular basis, carried one daily for a couple of decades too, and I know exactly what they are. Its also why Im no longer carrying one, and havent for over a decade now.

Theres nothing wrong with a good 1911 thats built to proper spec, and works.

On the other hand, its 100+year old tech, and things have progressed a bit since then.
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I was a 1911 die hard.

Even sat at Col Coopers feet (quite literally, he found out A Marine was sleeping in his car in order to afford to attend, insisted I stay in his guest bedroom and the Countess fed me. Class act.)

I picked up a Para Ordanance P14 limited for everyone who waved the capacity of their G19 at me!

But a "BUG shootoff" after a training class turned me to the dark side.
Not only did I get my ass kicked by G26's vs my J frame, but once I tried a 26 I kicked my own ass.
I carry glocks now.
There are plenty of high cap 1911's though.
Great story! Thanks for sharing!
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