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View Poll Results: SHTF - Which do you grab?
AR15 / M16 type system 168 69.14%
AK-47 or similar system 42 17.28%
M14 type system 33 13.58%
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....308
More than you know , I am enthused about the Scar 17s . I bought one nearly 6.5 years ago . Loading my own ammo for it, acquiring 12 FN magazines, in that time.
I know what that carbine is capable of, in my hands, and I have a contentment and self assured feeling , by owning it.
You don't have to agree with that choice, but I will smugly smile, as I am called a snob, or worse ....because I know how fast I can opperate that rifle, & how it consistantly outshoots so many other guns .
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Ar-10. 308. 20 round mags.
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I don't have any of those

I'm caught between the AR (I'd prefer one with an 18" barrel) or an AK ('cause they're supposed to be simple to operate).

If I lived somewhere that I could take better advantage of the .308, I'd go that route hands down.

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Hope you don't get shot by someone with better weapons, just because they can.

True a lot of us may get killed by some scared kid with a single shot 410 he got from grandpa for Christmas to rabbit hunt with.
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Which would be my choice, (but not an m-14 ewww) IF I also had a couple guys with ARs or AKs to back me up. As they quickly found out in vietnam, your screwed if all you have is a .308 and SHTF.

Actually they found this out a lot earlier but didn't do anything about it until vietnam.
'Spain this one to me....
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Isn't it obvious? AR15 in 32 Winchester Special

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SHTF "Red Dawn" style and you can only take one of: AK-47, AR-15, M14
Which do you reach for and why?
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Red dawn style. In that movie, an overwhelming military force invades your town, and starts shooting anyone that try's to resist. No person has the weapons, or the forces to stand and fight successfully. The survivors pack and flee within minutes, and live on their own for months in a remote area. I'm going to grab something light wt that shoots a real long range cartridge. I don't see that on your list.

The AR is chambered is a light cartridge. Fine up close, but looses all it energy beyond 300 yds.
The AK is very effective up close. It's not a long range weapon either.
The M14 is very heavy, although the 308 win is the best cartridge of the lot.

My choice is a SAI Scout Squad in 308 win.

Frankly, the better questions from the Red Dawn are:

Do you have a remote area nearby to hide in?
How do you plan to break contact, and quickly travel there?
How much food, guns, and survival gear can you bring with you?
Can you preposition food and gear in a safe area?
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Pre-64 model-70 "SUPER GRADE" .375 Holland and Holland (because what wants to kill me will not change post SHTF.......it will continue to be Giant Alaska Coastal Brown Bears, and the occasional angry Moose).
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Pre-64 model-70 "SUPER GRADE" .375 Holland and Holland (because what wants to kill me will not change post SHTF.......it will continue to be Giant Alaska Coastal Brown Bears, and the occasional angry Moose).
I'd imagine a .375 H&H round to the sternum wouldn't be pleasant for a human threat either.

Mine is an AR. It's not the best humanity has ever seen, but it's still pretty good and it's what I got right now that's most equipped and useable.

I'd really like a SCAR-17, but they're pricey. Have to keep stashing pennies in the sock drawer, I guess.
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SHTF "Red Dawn" style and you can only take one of:

AK-47
AR-15
M14


Which do you reach for and why?



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So long as we are specifically talking about a “Red Dawn” type event, the answer seems to be pretty obvious- the AK. I’ve never had the opportunity to shoot an ak, but to a trained ear most rifles sound a bit different from one to the next, and I would think that an ak would be no different. In guerrilla warfare, remaining unnoticed is critical, whether that’s grey man (your rifle sounding no different than theirs and attracting no further attention than the general sound of gunfire would) or simply unseen and unheard. 7.62x39 ammo is also pretty popular in my area, and successful enemy engagements could be a source for hurried scavenging of ammo and arms, albeit an unreliable source. For almost any other SHTF event, I’d be picking my AR or bolt .30-06.


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My RD 74

Side folding stock.
1-8× illuminated scope.
45 rounds of 7n6.

Minimal felt recoil.
Shots on target 0-300 yards, no problem.
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Hope you don't get shot by someone with better weapons, just because they can.
Even an idiot with a Hi Point or an SKS can get lucky. Beyond a certain strata of quality, which assuming the 1911 is a quality model, and the Ruger Mini 14 has proven itself to be a good performer over the decades...then your point is moot. An allegedly "better weapon" in the hands of an amateur is still a noisy stick. A "decent" weapon in the hands of a skilled shooter will always beat an alleged "better" weapon in the hands of a buffoon.

Nothing wrong with a Mini 14 in the hands of a man who knows how to use it. Hell, there's nothing wrong with a Marlin 336 or Winchester 94 in the hands of a man who knows how to use it.
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So long as we are specifically talking about a “Red Dawn” type event, the answer seems to be pretty obvious- the AK. I’ve never had the opportunity to shoot an ak, but to a trained ear most rifles sound a bit different from one to the next, and I would think that an ak would be no different. In guerrilla warfare, remaining unnoticed is critical, whether that’s grey man (your rifle sounding no different than theirs and attracting no further attention than the general sound of gunfire would) or simply unseen and unheard. 7.62x39 ammo is also pretty popular in my area, and successful enemy engagements could be a source for hurried scavenging of ammo and arms, albeit an unreliable source. For almost any other SHTF event, I’d be picking my AR or bolt .30-06.


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Winchester M70 beanfield.....308
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Red dawn style. In that movie, an overwhelming military force invades your town, and starts shooting anyone that try's to resist. No person has the weapons, or the forces to stand and fight successfully. The survivors pack and flee within minutes, and live on their own for months in a remote area. I'm going to grab something light wt that shoots a real long range cartridge. I don't see that on your list.

The AR is chambered is a light cartridge. Fine up close, but looses all it energy beyond 300 yds.
The AK is very effective up close. It's not a long range weapon either.
The M14 is very heavy, although the 308 win is the best cartridge of the lot.

My choice is a SAI Scout Squad in 308 win.

Frankly, the better questions from the Red Dawn are:

Do you have a remote area nearby to hide in?
How do you plan to break contact, and quickly travel there?
How much food, guns, and survival gear can you bring with you?
Can you preposition food and gear in a safe area?
What if your cache of supplies gets compromised before you can reach it?

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What if your cache of supplies gets compromised before you can reach it?

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That is absolutely a valid concern. I've built caches several times, including a gear cache, and a large ammo cache, hidden on my land. When I dug them up ten yrs later, they were undisturbed and the contents were in good shape.

Based on my experience, you are best served using a back hoe to dig a hole. I settled on digging the hole 4 ft deep, so the top of a steel 55 gal drum is at least 18 inches below the surface.

I suppose that a person searching with a high dollar metal detector might still find it, but I own 64 ac of land to hide it in.

Better pack a lunch.
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My Custom built AR-15 with Vortex Strike Eagle 1-6x24mm scope loaded with Black Hills 77gr Sierra Match King HP

Ideally I would like a .308 chambered rifle but I do not own one and most are god awful heavy. If I had to pick a .308/7.62X51 Rifle it would most likely be the FNH SCAR Heavy which is surprisingly light weight for a .308 semi-auto rifle.
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What if your cache of supplies gets compromised before you can reach it?

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What if your cache of supplies gets compromised before you can reach it?
I guess that is a consideration for city people........Just me and the grizzly bears here, and I have my bears well trained.
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Besides...it's not what to take along...it's what to leave behind.

Still...I am taking my Hell Bitch.

And she'll hit reliably and with monotonous regularity out to 500 yards and a bit beyond. Clean marksmanship and a mag full of 77gr BTSP, she's in there.

The War Pig is her fat sister. She'll also hit out to 500 yards with clean marksmanship...but with a sacrifice in ammo load and weight.

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