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I'm new on this board and just beginning to explore the whole survivalism scene in general. With that in mind, I've been looking at rifles for hunting/self-defense for some time now, and, recognizing that all of you are far more versed in firearms knowledge than myself, I was hoping you could offer a few recommendations for a good rifle with a few requirements. I'm looking for a reliable, foolproof gun with a ten-round capacity (being a New York resident) and, above all else, something for which ammunition is pretty common. I'd prefer something in a full-size caliber (think .30 carb or larger) and something semi-automatic (I'm not exactly a crack-shot ) but these things are less important than the ammo capacity.

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well a remington 742 or 7400 both being the same rifle just diff model numbers but you can get them in either 308 or 30-06 and they hold 5 or 6 i cant rem but they do have a detachable magazine and are semi auto and could do dual purpose if not that then an m1-gerand holds 8 rds of 30-06 either one will work
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M-1 Garand (.30-'06) as is, or M1A (.308) w/limited capacity magazines. (Not sure how that works in NY)
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doesn't Ruger make a semi-auto in .308? is it the mini-14?

also, an ar-10 will shoot a .308 round, is semi-auto, looks like a ar-15
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I'd look at the SKS. Reliable, easy to clean, relatively cheap ammunition. Usually under $400 for a rifle in decent condition. Used by hunters worldwide.
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here are my recommendations for the NY area.....
my first pick.....ten round magazines are availble,
http://www.remington.com/products/fi...model_7600.asp
my second pick but you dont get ten with these unless you down grade in caliber,
http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firear...ss/default.asp
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If you live in NYC, semi-automatic centerfire rifles are not allowed in many cases. In rifles, you a legally limited to a 5 round capacity rifle.

Considering this limitation, a typical pump action shotgun will be a better choice If you live inside of NYC's limits. A lever action rifle is pretty much illegal in NY due to capacity. IF you do your research in the area, some older marlin lever actions in .30-30 did come with a 4 shot tube. Modern ones come with a 6 shot tube (nyc illegal).

Remember a shotgun is fine to deer hunt with. If you hunt on public land in new york, it about all wooded. Shots will be 75 yards or less on deer. You can shoot a single projectile (slug), which is great for deer and self defense upto 100 yards. You can also hunt small game like rabbits, squirrels, and birds up to 40-50 yards with birdshot. For good self defense, you can use buckshot. Buckshot is (9) 3/8" diameter lead balls going about 1500 feet/sec. Perfect for close range defense. Also, in long island you can only hunt with a shotgun. In dutchess county, you can only use a shotgun for deer hunting. A shotgun is even more handy in your area.

Remember in NYC you can buy 1 firearm every 3 months. If you hurry and get a 22lr rimfire rifle for practice, then you can purchase another rifle before hunting season.

Shotguns in 12 gauge are good. A remington 870 pump action shotgun is legal in NYC. A mossberg 500 is also good. Expect to pay about $400-450 new.

If you do still want a decent defensive rifle, then consider a pump action rifle. Remington makes 760 model rifles. .308 is good for deer. If you plan on not hunting and want something a little more affordable to shoot, then the .223 model is good.

Remember gun shops outside of NYC will likely not know what is legal in NYC or not.

Here's one thing about general NYC laws.

http://www.nraila.org/gunlaws/nyc.aspx

The capacity ruling is on the last paragrpah in the long arm possesion section.
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HI Manhattan Residnet here.
All Semi Autos have to have 5 round mags. The powers that be are also trying to enforce that law on other actions.
My defense rifle is a Marlin 1894 guide gun - 16in ported barrel - loaded with 44special JHP and I use the new Hornady LEVERevolution Ammunition for hunting. Mossberg 500 is my second gun. I also have a Mini 14 with lots of 5rnd mags.

One good thing about limited ammo capacity - you learn to make each shot count
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Its probably not what your looking for but I can recommend either a Marlin or Winchester 30-30. Ammo is reasonably cheap and very common. Leverguns have been used for protection and hunting for a long time and don't look as threatening as many of the other semi's.
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Hey everyone,

I'm new on this board and just beginning to explore the whole survivalism scene in general.
Get the reprint of "Tappan on Survival" by Mel Tappan ISBN 13: 978-58160-509-9.
Read it, re-read it, re-re-read it.
You will then have a fairly good base of understanding about the "whole survivalism" scene. As well as understanding the thought, "A gun a Survivalist does not make".

Make friends with a member of the LDS (Mormon) church.

That church has a pretty good handle on Emergency Preparedness (year supply of food etc).

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With that in mind, I've been looking at rifles for hunting/self-defense for some time now, and, recognizing that all of you are far more versed in firearms knowledge than myself, I was hoping you could offer a few recommendations for a good rifle with a few requirements. I'm looking for a reliable, foolproof gun with a ten-round capacity (being a New York resident) and, above all else, something for which ammunition is pretty common. I'd prefer something in a full-size caliber (think .30 carb or larger) and something semi-automatic (I'm not exactly a crack-shot ) but these things are less important than the ammo capacity.

Any thoughts?
.22 LR has been mentioned.
5.56 x 45 has been mentioned (AR15/M16 round)
7.62 x 39 mm has been mentioned (SKS/AK 47 round)
7.62 x 51 mm has been mentioned (.308 Winchester in various rifles)
7.62 x 62 mm has been mentioned (30/06 Springfield in various rifles)
30/30 has been mentioned.
12 ga. has been mentioned.

What we don't know is - your firearms handling experience and skills. Without that, I don't think a good recommendation - specific to you - can be made.

My general recommendations:
Ruger 10/22 in .22 LR. A matching Ruger MK I, II, III etc pistol

If you want to go NON-Military look

A 30/30 lever action rifle (30/30 and 7.62x39 rounds ballistically are almost identical. The 30/30 caliber has been touted as the round that has killed more deer than any other round.

Any bolt action Remington, Winchester, Savage rifle in which ever caliber you ultimately choose. At present, all my rifles are either chambered in .22 LR, 5.56x45, or 7.62 x 51. Reason, until just recently all 3 calibers have been very available.

If you want to go MILITARY LOOK.

7.62 x 39 - SKS/AK47
AK47 was never designed to be a tack shooter. It will keep on shooting and shooting and shooting. The SKS is more accurate than the AK 47.

7.62 x 51 - M1A1 (semi-automatic version of the M-14), FN FAL, HK 91 are all good rifles. They do use detachable box magazines with capacities of 5 to 30 rounds. (FN FAL has some 30 rd mags available).

7.62 x 62 - M1 Garand - the rifle that won WWII.

5.56 x 45 - Any AR clone by any reputable dealer. Get to know your gun shop guy.

Shotguns
12 ga - Remington, Winchester, Mossberg - Get to know your gun shop guy.

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How about the Scout Rifle concept? I believe Savage still offers one in .308Win. I'm currently building one on a 98 Mauser in .308Win so I can use stripper clips on reloads. No it dosent hold 10 rounds but it should be legal just about anywhere you can still own firearms.
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My suggestion for someone in the city, would be to get out, but that's not really realistic I know


That being said, I'd skip a semi with a five round mag, not worth it.


My suggestion would be to get a Marlin 336 in .30-30 with iron sights. This gun can hunt, and be used in defense. Plus, it looks very non threatening. It's very simple to take apart, clean ,and maintain as well, and recoil is light, while the .30-30 round still delivers good power to the target, and it will take any wild larger game in NY. No mags to change and buy, and when you learn those iron sights, a scope can still be bought for it. Also, .30-30 is a very common caliber found everywhere.

A bolt gun is nice, but learn irons is important before dealing with scopes, and it won't deliver the same quick shot as easily, and is not loadable with he bolt closed like a lever. Also, it's not as fast to fire.


A shotgun could be next, but I'd get the rifle first and learn how to shoot it well. A shotgun has a good bit of recoil, and nice power, but very limited range. A rifle delvers precision a shotgun simply can't, and for a bug out situation, a shotgun is heavy, with heavy bulky ammo, which is heavy to carry. More of a bug in gun really.

And a .22 is nice for practice, and a scoped bolt gun great for accuracy, and all of these are tools in a tool box you may find yourself expanding one day, but I'd get the lever gun first.

If you ever move out of the city, an sks is a great choice for those of us living in AWB world...



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OKay, I just re read the thread, and if you are in NYC and limited to five rounds might I suggest a Mosin Nagant, either 91/30 or m44. Both are generally accurate if in decent condition, 7.62x54r is cheap, powerful, and plentiful ,and these guns are tough as absolute heck. Plus, you can stripper clip load them. The only downside to the cheap surplus ammo is it is corrosive, but if you clean it properly after you shoot it, it won't be an issue. Plus. S&B, Winchester, Barnaul, and Wolf/ pri, offer non corrosive ammo. They are great rifles, if you do decide to buy one, let me know, and I'll point you in the direction of some very helpful people and websites. The carbines tend to be somewhat less accurate, but offer shorter length for more compactness. Also a carbine in good condition will still usually hold all rounds on a paper plate at 100 yards, and mine in fact holds 2'-4' inch groups. The longer Mosins offer more accuracy, but are a bit long and unwieldy. Like I said, either are tough and have seen battle.

I know Mausers will be suggested, and enfields, but 8mm and .303 are expensive and hard to find. 7.62x54r is cheap, and allot of places.

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doesn't Ruger make a semi-auto in .308? is it the mini-14? NO
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doesn't Ruger make a semi-auto in .308? is it the mini-14?
No, 7.62x39 and 6.8 are the only larger rounds they have.
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doesn't Ruger make a semi-auto in .308? is it the mini-14? NO
Thanks for an unnecessarily short post that doesn't provide much information.
Actually Ruger does make a semi-auto in 7.62x39. It's called the Mini Thirty rifle. It's on the same section as the mini-14s on ruger's site.
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doesn't Ruger make a semi-auto in .308? is it the mini-14?

also, an ar-10 will shoot a .308 round, is semi-auto, looks like a ar-15
There is a Mini14 version in the AK/SKS round.
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Would you consider a 7 round rifle? A Marlin in 30/30.
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Buy what you can afford now and build from there. Do not be stingy on your first purchase of ammo.
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Just wondering, can't you go out of state and by your gun? I know in Michigan you have to have a pistol permit for something like say a underfolding AK-47, but if you go to Ohio, you can just buy it and bring it back. If you're going to be doing your shooting on private property, I would go that route.
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Considering NYC limitations, you have good firearms already. A lever action rifle and a shotgun. Maybe get a semiauto shotgun. Not the best of aim? Buckshot makes up for that. Make every shot count......... A 12 gauge slug has killed grizzles before.

I am not sure how you can have a 10 shot 1894 legal in NYC. I would double check on the legality of your firearm. I do know marlin has made NYC special 30-30's with 4 shot tubes instead of 6 shot ones. I do know someone who had to have their marlin 39 in 22lr magazine tube crimped by a gunsmith so it could not hold more than 5 rounds. After a self defense incident is a really bad time to find out about the gun laws of your area.

I am from long island area IF you need advice on where to practice, gun shops, and nearby hunting grounds.

I am not a big fan of NYC, I an trying to get a job in a rural part of NY. However, you have several guns. We all love guns and enjoy them. I do think your biggest plan is to figure out how to evacuate from NYC to somewhere safe. Your money may be better spent on extra food, sotrage space, or something to bug out on or a place to bug out to. I could imagine there is atleast 100,000 guns on your concrete covered island. A bug out boat may be a better investment.

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