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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/smart-gu...-lesley-stahl/


so i wanted to find out what you guys thought about this. it seems to me it may have certain applications. i would never want one in my collection though.

then there is the current NJ mandate...
https://smarttechfoundation.org/new-...t-gun-mandate/

now they are considering changing the bill to only "offering" smart guns, but have not yet. i just dont like the smell of this either way. one day it will be total control over what you can have, they just take small steps.
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so i wanted to find out what you guys thought about this. it seems to me it may have certain applications. i would never want one in my collection though.

then there is the current NJ mandate...
https://smarttechfoundation.org/new-...t-gun-mandate/

now they are considering changing the bill to only "offering" smart guns, but have not yet. i just dont like the smell of this either way. one day it will be total control over what you can have, they just take small steps.
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"These guns would not have prevented many of the mass shootings because the gunmen owned the firearms"

Putting trust in a supposed "smart gun" is nothing like putting trust in one's self. There are too many things that can go wrong with this tech, it can get dirty and not read your print, your hand can be dirty and it may not read your print, the battery could go bad, if you drop the firearm it could break the tech, since its electronic it could be hacked, the thing inside of the firearm that blocks it from being fired could malfunction by either allowing it to be fired when it shouldn't or the opposite. There are lots of things that can go wrong with it.

If someone wants to buy a "smart gun" good for them but people shouldn't be forced to buy something that they don't feel comfortable with buying...

All it will take is one incident where the gun isn't as smart as the inventor thought it was and that will be the end of that...lol
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Spoke to an LEO about his opinion on smart guns. According to him, It would be a public safety risk to put their life in the hands of a gun that may fail when you need it the most.

Asked in another light, would the POTUS entrust his guards to 'smart guns' if there was a chance of failure.

Would be a lawsuit waiting to happen to put smart-gun manufactotrs out of business. But that is really what these people want, gun manufactors out of business.

Almost any electronics that I know of can be hacked or 'crapped out' by neighboring electronic interference. Would make the application of 'safe gun' unusable if there were an emp event.
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My phone has a fingerprint reader. I usually have to swipe four or five times for it to work. I am glad my carry gun will never have that problem.
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Current NJ law says that 3 years after the first smart gun is sold in the US, only smart guns can be sold in NJ. Of coursed NJ gun owners don't want this.

Three shops have announced they were stocking smart guns in the last few years. All three received so many calls and threats that they changed their mind before they sold any. None of these shops were in NJ.

NJ Senator Loretta Weinstein wants to repeal the NJ law so that smart guns will start to be sold. She can't be trusted. Here's a sound bite of her talking when she thought her mic was off. She tells a staffer that they need a law to "confiscate, confiscate, confiscate".

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...te-confiscate/
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My phone has a fingerprint reader. I usually have to swipe four or five times for it to work. I am glad my carry gun will never have that problem.
I have worked with bio-metrics in large areas, and they are usually two or three tries before it reads properly. There are too many variables for a reliable read each and every time.
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they are not ready yet, but the tech will get to a point where it works fine.

Im interested in electronic triggers (not so much smart guns). super light trigger pulls, multi round bursts etc

electronics can be made very reliable.
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I happened to catch the 60 minutes episode on Smart guns. It was very interesting about the issue with New Jersey's law concerning them. Pretty stupid law. Personally I do not see a problem with selling people a smart gun if they want to own one. It is only the fact of meddling anti-gun folks that create a issue of the whole concept. Thanks to NJ law I do not see the idea going anywhere.

I do not buy all the rabid arguments about the gun not working as being anything but a defensive reaction to the fear of gun registration and regulation. If a product does not work people will not want it. It is a shame that both sides of the gun ownership issue have such emotional reactions to a hunk of metal, wood and plastic.
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Don't need any. Don't want any. Will never own any. I know what I have will fire first time every time in my hands or my wife's or either daughter's.
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I'll buy mine as soon as the Military and LEO's start using them
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they are not ready yet, but the tech will get to a point where it works fine.
They are already being sold, so them being 'ready' is a moot point.
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Yes all guns need to be smart guns. If anyone is found to have a dumb gun it is to be instantly confiscated, the holder arrested, fined and their property searched with all prohibited assets confiscated. These steps will make everyone safer, and here are more improvements that can be added for all weapons issued from civilian to LEO to military.

Each gun is to have a blinking red/green LED so the target will know the aggressors abilities. There would never be anymore hostage situations where a swat team had to be called in. A satellite signal could just transmit a shutdown signal for entire city sectors, this would eliminate all gang activity and drive by shootings where innocent children are harmed or killed. Each registered weapon will allow for home protection by calling 911 and having dispatch enable the weapon, this is to prevent children from mishandling guns.

Each weapon is to have WiFi so they can receive updates to their allowed status. Here you can control hunting, and poaching, by enabling areas and seasons for allowed weapons fire. You will also be able to determine who owes fees for tags and hunting licenses when a recorded discharge is uploaded. With the GPS function there will be no guessing as to who is entitled to the processing fees.

Police and military would no longer have to worry about ROI or if the strike was proportional to the needed response. The government through unit handlers would determine when and where weapons would need to go hot. This is already done with fighter aircraft and combat ships, it just adds another layer of protection against mistakes the unqualified can make.

It is foreseeable that not every instance can be covered at once so an SOS trigger pull signal can send an alert application for a handler to investigate a fire request. With the above WiFi connection voice over internet can get people speaking quickly and get the process going that much faster.
With these changes everyone gets what they want, safer guns, only responsible people with discharge permissions, and the bad guys unable to operate SMART GUNS.
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Yes all guns need to be smart guns. If anyone is found to have a dumb gun it is to be instantly confiscated, the holder arrested, fined and their property searched with all prohibited assets confiscated. These steps will make everyone safer, and here are more improvements that can be added for all weapons issued from civilian to LEO to military.

Each gun is to have a blinking red/green LED so the target will know the aggressors abilities. There would never be anymore hostage situations where a swat team had to be called in. A satellite signal could just transmit a shutdown signal for entire city sectors, this would eliminate all gang activity and drive by shootings where innocent children are harmed or killed. Each registered weapon will allow for home protection by calling 911 and having dispatch enable the weapon, this is to prevent children from mishandling guns.

Each weapon is to have WiFi so they can receive updates to their allowed status. Here you can control hunting, and poaching, by enabling areas and seasons for allowed weapons fire. You will also be able to determine who owes fees for tags and hunting licenses when a recorded discharge is uploaded. With the GPS function there will be no guessing as to who is entitled to the processing fees.

Police and military would no longer have to worry about ROI or if the strike was proportional to the needed response. The government through unit handlers would determine when and where weapons would need to go hot. This is already done with fighter aircraft and combat ships, it just adds another layer of protection against mistakes the unqualified can make.

It is foreseeable that not every instance can be covered at once so an SOS trigger pull signal can send an alert application for a handler to investigate a fire request. With the above WiFi connection voice over internet can get people speaking quickly and get the process going that much faster.
With these changes everyone gets what they want, safer guns, only responsible people with discharge permissions, and the bad guys unable to operate SMART GUNS.
Yeah, it would work something like this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wypFgcqHyvc
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Further, as soon as the Electronic Smart Gun is Wireless, then you could have Adjustable "Active Gun Denial Zones" or "Republican Voter Exclusionary Zones", or "Civil Unrest Gunfire Exclusionary Zones", and Countless other Failures of the System.
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Yeah, it would work something like this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wypFgcqHyvc
Yeah, that was about right.
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I don't like it either. It can lead (if not already happening) the government knowing exactly when and where you touched your firearm.
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Yeah, it would work something like this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wypFgcqHyvc
Scary vid. But it's pure fantasy, because it won't be a $14 charge; it'd more likely be a $1000 or $5000. "Hey, who wouldn't spend 'a few dollars" to save themselves or their family?"
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Scary vid. But it's pure fantasy, because it won't be a $14 charge; it'd more likely be a $1000 or $5000. "Hey, who wouldn't spend 'a few dollars" to save themselves or their family?"
Or a yearly 'firearms tax' for ownership and/or use?
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Don't need any. Don't want any. Will never own any. I know what I have will fire first time every time in my hands or my wife's or either daughter's.
Im sure people said the same thing about semi autos. (and guns when they were first invented vs knives, swords and bows).

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