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So I recen learned that m193 out of a 20 inch barrel may pierce ar500. So set out to see if I could build up a load that would do it at 50 yards out of a 16 inch barrel. I found solid copper 55 grain blemished round for $85 for 1k bullets. I stacked it on 17.2 grains reloader 15 with a heavy crimp and col of 2.25. Put a coating of some spray on lube magic formula to protect my barrel from the hard copper. The book calls that this load should push 3390 out of a 20 inch barrel. I shot 10 rounds to test through my buddy chronograph it pushed 3378 out of my Adams arms carbine. So just letting all you guys know that run steel plates it's easy to do cheap and a real hazard post shtf. Makes me rethink my choice on getting steel plates and closeting my sapi plates
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Which brand of plates were you using? Not all AR500 plates are created equal.
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I shoot my plates from as close as 10 yards with m855, and have shot them close with 7mm Rem mag, -06, etc... there is no way on earth any 5.56 round will go thru. But like someone else said, not all ar500 is created equal. And plenty of stuff being sold ad ar500 probably isnt.

I get mine from this place that's pretty cool, if I post a link and you go thru it, we each get some store credit. If u click this link u get 10 free bucks. Best ar500 steel I've come across too. My buddy even shoots it with 50bmg.

Here's the link. Yeah, I like getting store credit for posting it but it's the best ar500 out there so I'd be posting it either way. The difference is they laser cut it instead of water cut, which ruins the heat treat and makes ugly cuts.

https://shootingtargets7.com/store/?...BKd1lQMDUya009
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I shoot my plates from as close as 10 yards with m855, and have shot them close with 7mm Rem mag, -06, etc... there is no way on earth any 5.56 round will go thru.
This... there is no way a 5.56 traveling an extra 300 FPS is going to penetrate a properly constructed AR500 plate.
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I've blasted AR500 with a nagant, AK, 30-06, 7 mm mag and 308. Every single bullet turned to dust. Like everyone else said. If you were able to penetrate it, it wasn't AR500.
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Watch the YouTube I haven't tested against plates yet I will when another set comes in
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I shoot my plates from as close as 10 yards with m855, and have shot them close with 7mm Rem mag, -06, etc... there is no way on earth any 5.56 round will go thru. But like someone else said, not all ar500 is created equal. And plenty of stuff being sold ad ar500 probably isnt.

I get mine from this place that's pretty cool, if I post a link and you go thru it, we each get some store credit. If u click this link u get 10 free bucks. Best ar500 steel I've come across too. My buddy even shoots it with 50bmg.

Here's the link. Yeah, I like getting store credit for posting it but it's the best ar500 out there so I'd be posting it either way. The difference is they laser cut it instead of water cut, which ruins the heat treat and makes ugly cuts.

https://shootingtargets7.com/store/?...BKd1lQMDUya009

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I've blasted AR500 with a nagant, AK, 30-06, 7 mm mag and 308. Every single bullet turned to dust. Like everyone else said. If you were able to penetrate it, it wasn't AR500.
Ummmmmm yes it will. Simple M193 will punch clean through at close range. M855 will not because it's moving too slow.


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I've blasted AR500 with a nagant, AK, 30-06, 7 mm mag and 308. Every single bullet turned to dust. Like everyone else said. If you were able to penetrate it, it wasn't AR500.
It depends on the ammo and the thickness of the target plate. I've had 7.62x54R and .30-06 rounds penetrate 1/4" and 3/8" thick AR500 targets before, depending upon the type of ammunition I used. I'm not sure how thick the body armor plates actually are, but if they are thin enough I could see there being a problem with several types of ammo.
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and that is why they are making level III+ plates now...

http://www.ar500armor.com/ar500-armo...-armor-en.html
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Well that sucks. All I can say is that LEVEL III armor is rated for 7.62 up to about 2800fps. So I think some of us got lucky on the heat treat too. Good thing we don't have to worry about getting shot with high velocity custom hand loads out of bolt guns!!!
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It depends on the ammo and the thickness of the target plate. I've had 7.62x54R and .30-06 rounds penetrate 1/4" and 3/8" thick AR500 targets before, depending upon the type of ammunition I used. I'm not sure how thick the body armor plates actually are, but if they are thin enough I could see there being a problem with several types of ammo.
Those ar500 plates can obviously be defeated with specific load/bullet combinations. They will perform fine against your normal small arm threats found in a combat zone.
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Good thing we don't have to worry about getting shot with high velocity custom hand loads out of bolt guns!!!
Says who?

Lot's of hunters in my area reload and bolt actions are ubiquitous.

I don't own any body armor yet. Every time I think about getting something, the downsides make me wonder if it is worth the expense. Analysis paralysis sets in. I'm leaning towards getting some again, but as always money is tight.
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Says who?

Lot's of hunters in my area reload and bolt actions are ubiquitous.

I don't own any body armor yet. Every time I think about getting something, the downsides make me wonder if it is worth the expense. Analysis paralysis sets in. I'm leaning towards getting some again, but as always money is tight.
I hear ya on the analysis paralysis. I would recommend a concealment style vest that has plate carrier pockets. You can go grey man if you have too, or toss in the plates and a lbv over the top and your ready to Rambo it up. That's what I came up with in 2007 and I still think it's about as practical as I can get. Good luck!
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and that is why they are making level III+ plates now...

http://www.ar500armor.com/ar500-armo...-armor-en.html
Yup. Just pointing out that just because it's AR500 doesn't mean it's going to protect you from every small arms projectile at any range.

The lvl III stuff is still good and I'd still buy it. Just gotta know your armor's limitations.
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Yup. Just pointing out that just because it's AR500 doesn't mean it's going to protect you from every small arms projectile at any range.

The lvl III stuff is still good and I'd still buy it. Just gotta know your armor's limitations.
yep, nothing is going to protect you from 100% of everything, i just know I'll take what i can get and hope that the guy at me isn't running some handloaded stuff...preferably though the idea is to shoot the other guy first...but that's beside the point, lol

chances are though, you're likely to be getting shot at with some cheap off the shelf stuff...or government ammo, depending on where you think the future threat lies...if you look at all of the commonly available ammo out there vs how many people handload and the rest, your chances of coming up against that sort of thing is pretty small, and another point is, that in regards to the .223/5.56 velocity is everything when talking about armor.... what works to penetrate armor @ 10 yards will not have the same effect @ 20 yards...so essentially, even if your ammo can penetrate armor you still need to be within a certain range for that to happen, let's just say within 50 yards..this presents a certain level of difficulty..or something you have to be thinking about during the gun fight...you need to know if the guy is 70 yards out or 50 yards out to know if your shots are going to be effective...

as opposed to say, fighting someone with no body armor, where you can let a shot loose at 50 yards or 125 yards, or 180.356 yard or whatever and know they are still going to go down...

i guess a simpler way to put it is, an airbag won't save your life all of the time but it sure as heck has saved alot of lives already.
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Oh yea. M193 (good cheap bulk ammo btw) isn't going to punch through that plate at 50 yds much less 100yds or more.

But you go trying to clear houses and urban centers you might want some lvl IV or at least lvl III+ plates.
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Oh yea. M193 (good cheap bulk ammo btw) isn't going to punch through that plate at 50 yds much less 100yds or more.

But you go trying to clear houses and urban centers you might want some lvl IV or at least lvl III+ plates.
yeah, not going to argue with that man, on point.
my main thing is i don't want people not buying body armor of any sorts because they can't afford the $$$ or IV stuff or think that the level III+ steel plate is useless because it won't stop a single type of ammo within a certain range...

really on a certain level, any body armor is better than none..but as you said, i do believe if your going to put the money into it you should go with at least III+.. i know i am contradicting myself here, lol...but i do think buying body armor should be high on the list of defenses for people like us...
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It depends on the ammo and the thickness of the target plate. I've had 7.62x54R and .30-06 rounds penetrate 1/4" and 3/8" thick AR500 targets before, depending upon the type of ammunition I used. I'm not sure how thick the body armor plates actually are, but if they are thin enough I could see there being a problem with several types of ammo.
With respect, I think you must have been shooting plates from a lower quality source. I have over 20 plates from these guys, all 3/8", and there is no way I could punch thru Them with common small arms:

https://shootingtargets7.com/store/?...BKd1lQMDUya009
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