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Old 09-03-2013, 10:43 PM
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looking for one that's.

semi auto.

all metal, no plastic parts,

a good brand,

easy take down,

and has a hammer. (like a beretta)

looks good,

and is very reliable.

and can be found used for around 400$

and is 9mm.

let me know what you think fits
You're asking for alot for around 400....but TADA!!!!!!

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...+FINISH+17%2B1
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haha, what a FK fest..

no need trying to get me "turned on to plastic guns"

haha, plastic.. I mean ffs, were talking the stuf that makes up my cell phone as a gun...

quote all the facts you want but if I drop my cell phone it breaks..

anyway I got a guy wanting to sell me a S&W Model 39-2 9mm,

for 400, and its in "like new condition"

and I mean like new!

the thing is almost too pretty for me to think it was the gun I was looking for..

a good buy?
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comes with 2 mags and a 50 rd box of ammo too.
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haha, what a FK fest..

no need trying to get me "turned on to plastic guns"

haha, plastic.. I mean ffs, were talking the stuf that makes up my cell phone as a gun...

quote all the facts you want but if I drop my cell phone it breaks..

anyway I got a guy wanting to sell me a S&W Model 39-2 9mm,

for 400, and its in "like new condition"

and I mean like new!

the thing is almost too pretty for me to think it was the gun I was looking for..

a good buy?
The "plastic" is a different chemical composition than the stuff cell phones are made of.

You really have no clue what you are talking about. There are different types of plastics for different applications, many of them stronger than steel, with none of the drawbacks.

If 90+ militaries and most of the police forces worldwide think it is good enough, they might have a point.

Trying to argue with people that persist in ignorance is like arguing with Christians.
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Buy the M-39, they're a great gun.
Light, reliable and accurate.
And metal.
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idk, all the important parts are still steel. I think that means something,

that the plastic is not good enough for certain parts, slides exc.

so a full steel gun would have to be stronger.

but anyway, not really the point of my thread is it..

this is a plastic free thread, (among other things)

so if anyone has any info on the gun im looking at...

S&W Model 39-2 9mm

thanks
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idk, all the important parts are still steel. I think that means something,

that the plastic is not good enough for certain parts, slides exc.

so a full steel gun would have to be stronger.

but anyway, not really the point of my thread is it..

this is a plastic free thread, (among other things)

so if anyone has any info on the gun im looking at...

S&W Model 39-2 9mm

thanks
The parts are steel because of different engineering requirements. Plastics don't have high density for slide mass, they don't handle shock impacts well, like the explosion in a barrel. The slide has to be metal to have the energy to cycle. It's not that the plastic isn't strong enough, it's that it is not heavy enough.

Metal does some things better than polymer, but the frame can be made of a lot of things, and not really make a difference.
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You really have no clue what you are talking about. There are different types of plastics for different applications, many of them stronger than steel, with none of the drawbacks.

Trying to argue with people that persist in ignorance is like arguing with Christians.
Those Christians must be like opinionated "scientists".

You don't have to be insulting to the OP or anyone else, just because they don't believe the same as you do.

For some reason, I'm having gunkid flashbacks here.

As to the Model 39, they were and are an excellent pistol, more accurate than the later high cap Model 59. The last two I had would. Regularly hit 2" at 25y, and kept everything inside 4" at the same distance.

A customer brought one in, he squibbed a round and fired another round, bulging the barrel and leaving a ring of jacket from the first round embedded in the barrel. After removing the barrel, checking it through including magnafluxing the frame and slide, a new barrel was installed and it continues its service as his carry gun.

Try that with a thin chambered poly frame gun.
Let me give you a hint, the gun doesn't survive.
And it doesn't feel good either.

Buy the 39 and enjoy it.
I would.
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The parts are steel because of different engineering requirements. Plastics don't have high density for slide mass, they don't handle shock impacts well, like the explosion in a barrel. The slide has to be metal to have the energy to cycle. It's not that the plastic isn't strong enough, it's that it is not heavy enough.

Metal does some things better than polymer, but the frame can be made of a lot of things, and not really make a difference.
You've posted some valid points concerning polymers/plastics. However, I am also one of the "I like forged metal" kinda guys...except maybe for Ruger investment castings...they're good also. I've worked many years as a mechanic...30+ years in aviation. I've worked on cars, trucks, and now lead the maintenance effort for a city's water/waste water systems.

IMO and experience polymers do not hold up to temperature changes, chemicals, abuse, stress, etc as well as steel or aluminum long term. When metal components begin to fail...stress cracking appears and is generally repairable. When polymer components fail...it's generally catastrophic..and not repairable. You simply replace the inexpensive to manufacture polymer component...if you have a replacement component.

I own some polymer framed firearms...including one Glock. The Glock frame is not repairable at the user level if it fails...but it is inexpensive to manufacture. The most intelligent design...IMO of polymer framed handguns is the Sig P-250...remove the takedown lever/pin...lift out the steel fire control group...install it in another plastic frame.

Plastics/polymers do well at what they do...but long term, forged metals...or good castings are better...again my opinion...but an opinion borne of many years turning wrenches and repairing everything from sewer lift stations to F-16s and F-15s.
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idk, all the important parts are still steel. I think that means something,

that the plastic is not good enough for certain parts, slides exc.

so a full steel gun would have to be stronger.

but anyway, not really the point of my thread is it..

this is a plastic free thread, (among other things)

so if anyone has any info on the gun im looking at...

S&W Model 39-2 9mm

thanks
I am not a material geek by any stretch, but I floated around the same frame of thinking before too. I traditionally like rifles way more than pistols, but at the same time I know I will utilize the pistol more often, ccw, self defense etc; Now I have always had pistols, but not a go to pistol. So, I bought a Glock 17 because of the reputation, reviews, and the documented reliability and durability. But I was still left with something to be desired, so eventually I bought a CZ 75 Sp 01 all steel. Well needless to say I have no sentiment in ever buying another pistol again. That was it for me. Any future purchases will be rifle only. There is alot to say about the feel of pure steel fitting so comfortable in the pawn of your hand. I am all for steel over plastic.
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I really wish Smith would have stuck with thier old school semi autos.


That's my chiefs special 9mm on top of a 92a1 and Cougar. I shot it today actually and the trigger blows away my Berettas in terms of reset and pull wieght. The design is so simple I just can't see them malfunctioning.

Buy that 39-2 now! Before someone else does.
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Staying within the OP's parameters I would go with one of these two:
Rock island 1911 or a Ruger P89, either one will give you reliable service.
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I'm a fan of the old-school S&W pistols - I carry a Model 469 and dearly love it. 12+1 all metal compact pistol, accurate and reliable as can be. That being said, the 39-2 would be an excellent choice and will serve you well. It's a bit slimmer because of the single stack magazine. If I were you, I'd jump on it.

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Bottom line, whatever pistol you choose commit yourself to training with it extensively. Too many people go out and buy a weapon, throw some ammo in it, drop it in a holster and hope for the best. You owe it to yourself to become proficient with whatever weapon you carry.
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I would recommend a Taurus PT-92 as well. Similar quality as a Beretta IMHO for less money.

No matter which handgun you pick, make sure the ammo for it is common.
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I've had Smith & Wesson's, CZ's, Springfield's, Walther's, Sig's, Bersa's, Ruger's, and others...my favorite is the HK-P30 (for now), and yes, it is not all metal...but IMHO the best. For your price point, I would look at a CZ, or CZ clone.
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haha, what a FK fest..

no need trying to get me "turned on to plastic guns"

haha, plastic.. I mean ffs, were talking the stuf that makes up my cell phone as a gun...

quote all the facts you want but if I drop my cell phone it breaks..

anyway I got a guy wanting to sell me a S&W Model 39-2 9mm,

for 400, and its in "like new condition"

and I mean like new!

the thing is almost too pretty for me to think it was the gun I was looking for..

a good buy?
People have dropped glocks out of airplanes, and they've still functioned. I'm not a glock fanboy, I just don't hold on to irrational prejudices.
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well, the guy backed out,

so it looks like ill be keeping my money,

ill be taking it to the next gunshow, (1month away)

and will be looking there,..

ill have more money then,

kinda been thinking about the walther ppk a bit..

dont know yet,

i could show up, and find some totally randome 9mm for sale,,
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own many guns..so not bringing a bias to this thread...but I'll say that I made the choice a long while back to stick with S&W 3rd gens for bob.

a cheifs special has lived in my day bag for many years and a 4006 in my big bob...yes...heavey gun compared to my wife's m&P for example.
why?..because I was able to find the guns in like new condition for under $350 each with mags. they are not super sexy 1911s, etc..which are my favorite weakness, but I won't cry if they are stolen like I would if I lost one of my high end 1911s.
I carry an older smith 3rd gen when I work on my property..not worried about sweat n dirt and rain or scratching it up...and yet, the gun has held up very well and still looks great. the 5906 and similar smiths can be found all day long for a value price.. I believe the 900 series put you in the same function but with a lighter frame...would look to many police armorers for experience on how well the 3rd gens have held up across the years of duty carry by their departments.
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How about a Bersa Thunder?
That what I got. Never fails
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Sure, some of the best guns are polymer. Some of the best are not. He prefers the ones that are not.

If I wanted an all metal gun in the $400 range, I would go for the Taurus 92 without a second thought. Yes, even over a used CZ-75. Not a new one, but you won't find a new one for $400, and I don't know if I would even trust a used one for $400.

The Taurus 92, however, can be found in the price range without a miracle, has a high capacity, even for a 9mm, and is reliable. A bonus is that the Beretta accessories, grips, holsters and stuff will all fit it with no trouble for the most part.

It's not a small pistol by any means, but it will fit in a bag or on a belt easily. I wouldn't recommend it for concealed carry in modern times, but it'll carry as well as any 1911.

The CZ-75 is a great choice, but even the used ones go for $500+. It might just be my training, but I shoot better with the Taurus 92. It's the only reason I don't have a CZ-75 right now.
You made good point in your post. I have an older non-decocker Taurus PT-92 and it is 110% reliable...even feeds empty cases from the magazine. The magazines for a Beretta 92 will not work in the Taurus however...at least the single example I tried wouldn't.

The only reason that Taurus isn't our house gun is my wife is not a gun person...no decocker means double action revolver...or Sig P-250 for us. I may buy a new PT-92 however...just because.
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