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I loved the M9, M4, and the M249/S.A.W.. I used them.
I had liked the 1911 Colt 45 I borrowed once. But I like the extra ammo of the M9. I used the M9, and liked how well it worked and cleaned. I'm a fan of the M9.
The SAW I used more than the M4 but I liked them a lot.
I like Remmington stuff. To bad they didn't get the "bid"
Who makes the Mark 19? :D they are NICE. Wish I could have used a 204 more than the crash course I was given. And who makes them?
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That's good news. FN makes a quality product and does it here in the US in a firearms friendly state. That's more then can be said for Colt and Remington who operate in states that are hostile to firearms owners. In doing so Colt and Remington only fatten the coffers of those who would pass even more restrictive laws.
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I loved the M9, M4, and the M249/S.A.W.. I used them.
I had liked the 1911 Colt 45 I borrowed once. But I like the extra ammo of the M9. I used the M9, and liked how well it worked and cleaned. I'm a fan of the M9.
The SAW I used more than the M4 but I liked them a lot.
I like Remmington stuff. To bad they didn't get the "bid"
Who makes the Mark 19? :D they are NICE. Wish I could have used a 204 more than the crash course I was given. And who makes them?
Saco Defense. One of my favorite weapons. You shoot it with HE or HEDP and it's better than Viagra.
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FN makes superior weapons. And they provide jobs to thousands in the US. With full manufacturing facilities in Columbia SC for long guns and Fredericksburg, VA for handguns and a plant in Arnold, MO for their 12ga stuff, all operating under the FNH USA umbrella.
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Quality in firearms manufacture is usually good until the accountants get involved.

Their mantra is to sub contract more and more parts, sell more junk, don't inventory parts, make more money.

People's biggest vote is with their dollars. Don't buy junk, and quality will return.
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What in the flying #$%! are you talking about?
Look into FN history once. Then figure out who owns FN Herstal. I miss my winchesters.
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FN is a great choice for the A4 IMHO.

Some of the finest firearms I have owned are FN made and I will be proud to own others in the future. Just really good stuff!
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It's big news here in Columbia, SC. We're very happy to hold onto that contract around here - and to produce more firearms at our USA plant right here in Columbia, SC, USA than they do anywhere in Europe. Plus we'll keep pumping-out a ton of other small arms for both the military and civilians at the Columbia plant.

Now, if we can only get Stag Arms and Marlin down here, we'll be set and happy.

We have a long and happy relationship with FN here and we intend to keep it.
at least americans are working ,and its not subd overseas
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This is POETIC JUSTICE. FNH is a good manufacturer, not my top pick, but a good company. I HATED how the HK416 had over 3x less stoppages, has a much better range of tolerances, and was generally tougher than the Colt M4....

But because of Colt's political pressure the Army went with the M4 which would have cost anywhere from $125-$150 more per unit. When the Marine Corps used FNH for their upgrade(to the M16A4) I was happy, but with the entire Army switching over...

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When military first accepted M-16, Lady Byrd Johnson was supposedly one of their largest stock holders - Colt that is. Politics usually plays a part.
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Looks like after Remington was awarded the contract Colt sued trying to block it, Fed Courts dismissed lawsuit and then instead of again awarding the contract to Remington they allowed bids which FN came in with the lowest bid.
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you people make me laugh. the profit still goes to foreign country.
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you people make me laugh. the profit still goes to foreign country.
If a US manufacturer had stepped up to the plate with a competitive bid they would have received the contract.
Remington had received the order but Colt interfered and it cost everybody the chance at it, not too many companies can face the legal challenges and expenses that Colt will put them through.

Colt wanting to hog the ball is what screws the other companies out of getting the DOD contracts, when they don't win they file lawsuits.
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Too bad an American owned company can't make the weapons for America's military. We did it for WWII just fine....
you do realize the focus in WWII was on quantity not quality right???

whats too bad is that we are #26 in the world in education and #1 in self-confidence... if our mechanical/industrial/manufacturing/materials engineers could hold a light to other countries we might be on a level quality playing field, but unfortunately we just aren't, at least on the scale that would support military contracts.
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you people make me laugh. the profit still goes to foreign country.
you make me laugh even harder... most american corporations have tax havens in foreign countries like bermuda, bahamas, ireland, etc.... guess how much US corporate tax GE paid in 2010 after moving their almost 5 billion in profits off shore.... if you guessed zero, you would be correct.

the us corporate tax rate is effectively 35% which significantly dis-incentivices companies from keeping their profits in this country... sure they pay their employees and that is taxed (personal income), but that is part of their operating costs, not their net profits.
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That explains why common folk like us are treated like dogsh*t by FN customer service. And NO 5.7 ammoo for months...sucks.
I'll second that one though. I dropped a loaded magazine for my FNP and blew to pieces (not ammo) sending parts everywhere. I couldn't get it back together. I sent it to FN's service center somewhere in MO about 2 months ago and just got a confirmation postcard last week saying they will get to it at some point. Guess that's why the sell the pistol with 3 mags.

Considering this thing was developed for the Joint Pistol Trials, you would think the mag would be a little sturdier than that. I have never ever had a mag come apart on me. Then again, I've never been able to drop 15 rounds of .45 ACP at one time either ; )
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I hope they gain some strong recognition from the general public due to this...maybe then I could actually get some parts and accessories for my FNP-40.
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I hope they gain some strong recognition from the general public due to this...maybe then I could actually get some parts and accessories for my FNP-40.
Tell me about it... I havent been able to find mags for my fnp45 for like 6 months
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Tell me about it... I havent been able to find mags for my fnp45 for like 6 months
If you don't mind paying the long dollar there are a couple up for bid on eBay at this very moment...but you gotta want them really badly.
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Remington received the contract last year, for something like 120,000 M4's.

Bushmasters contract was for foreign sales (equipping Afghan and Iraqi Police and military) not for US troops.

Colt has their hands full with the 240G and 1911 (M45) contracts they were awarded.

FN makes the M16's and M4's, as well as the M249 and 240B and 240G.
There are a few Bushmaster M4 in circulation in US Military base Armory's... We had a few for a while.... during the surge of the Iraq war Colt couldn't produce enough for the us gov. and so uncle same bought some Bushmaster M4's and had to pay a royalty to colt for each one. I had pictures of some somewhere. search the web there are a few out there of other mil guys saying the same thing. BTW, Almost all of our M16's were FN and they make excellent barrels, we had some with 50-60k rounds thru them (shot all the chrome lining out of them, and the still shot about 1-1.5" MOA)

And there are some LMT uppers floating around in service as well...
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