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Epic facepalm to all the naysayers who completely miss the concept! Lol Will have to set you all straight when I get back to a computer!
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Wayyy back in the days of the earliest ''automatic'' fishing reels and before they had plastic line, the fishing reels really weren't much different than using a chalk line except to cast out with. They did infact use a thin string rope for line because thats all they had.
Fish are not that intelligent to begin with. If you can trick them into thinking there is food, they are going to eat it.
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Epic facepalm to all the naysayers who completely miss the concept! Lol Will have to set you all straight when I get back to a computer!
You will have to do that because I still don't get how it is better than a device designed specifically for the purpose, with adjustable drag, more line capability and 1/3 the cost. Then there is the fact the chalk line holder wasn't designed to be wet.
It would be understandable if someone stumbled across a crate of them and was like, "What ever can I do with all of these free chalk line holders?"

Also, If I want to not use the convenience of fishing line and a reel I can buy masons twine for $5 and wrap it around a stick. Wayyy back in the days before they had reels they did it that way. Line is cheap. Sticks are free. Where is the advantage in chalk reel?
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Hold on there JDBushcraft and others. I personally don't agree with using a chalkline for fishing, there is just too many obstacles and inconveniences, but that is my personal choice.

I like that SR69 is thinking of creative uses for things he comes into contact each day, and perhaps this isn't the gold mine he thought it would be on here.

IMO It is PLAUSIBLE, just not very practical.
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You hold on.
I don't recall anyone saying it wouldn't work. The question is why?
You tell us to hold on then post the same thing as everyone else...
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Too much weight for the job it does considering your packing it just in case.
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You hold on.
I don't recall anyone saying it wouldn't work. The question is why?
You tell us to hold on then post the same thing as everyone else...
My baad!

I do agree with you and the others on this topic, but I don't want to stamp out anyone's creative process. It can be demoralizing, for others that may have ideas and are concerned about sharing.

Personally that is why I come here. I already know everything and can do everything But I come here to learn what you might do or others might do, and maybe just maybe I might find something that I haven't thought of.

Creativity is a like a fire. Once you douse the flames it can be real hard to get it going again.

Peace, sarcasm aside you are right.
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What a food retreval tool cost should not be that big a desision .
Feature your self standing next to a lake hungery and with out and standard fishing gear.
you see te disturbances of bass taking insects 50' away but you can do nothing about it .
You have your trusty shot gun and 20 rounds left .
Your stomiche is growling, because you and your family haven't had any thing for the last week to eat except some root and berries.
And the wrost of it ,you left behind all that fishing gear because you are a minimalist,and you just could not afoard the extra weight to your 35 LB pack.
News flash by the way fish are not stupid , they are getting more weary all the time taking greater skill in making a catch .
I have fished some mountain streems creeks that require the stealth of a very serious sniper ,moving up streem from one bever pond to the next staying away from the edge of the water casting small spoons , or lure, or halgramites, or salmon eggs. but once they see you or you manage to catch one , that's it move on because the rest are simply not going to bite. If you crack a twig where your standing they hear it and scatter.
Sounds on the shore are easily heard in the water, make no mistake.
Farm grown fish are not as stealthy but they do learn from the locals pretty fast.
I helped with fish planting several times in my life time .
When there is an abundance of fish, they do get careless and compeditive over food, but I venture to say that well into SHTF there won't be much .
Just like a lot of hunting is done with a spotting scope now , fish are going to keep their distance as well.

And a note concerning the chalk line idea .
In my opinion, the chalk line is a good storage tool for strong lines used for any number of applications ,keeps it from bird nesting and becomming a mess .
As for using it to fish with battery power is not a long term practicle necessary function , and casting with it is likely to create more problems than it solves . .
You have a stop but no drag control .
The drag on my reels is set very gingerly ,I use 2 Lb test on my leaders, an still catch 6 Lb trout .
I dont feature fishing in the ocean any more ,sence Fukashima and the debris are now on our coast .
If you like fish, learn to farm them and protect your water sources .
if you must bug out to the bush and happen on a healthy streem ,start feeding the fish ,with grains and insects .
One it is like chumming , but more importantly when there is an abundance of food they will multiply just like deer and most other living creatures. If you do nothing but take , you deserve your fate, to starve eventually.
In my opinion.
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Just like a lot of hunting is done with a spotting scope now , fish are going to keep their distance as well.
And you are going to need proper equipment to even play that game. IMO A good reel and lures/flies/jigs
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New ideas are great and should be fostered, up to the point that they stop showing practical application. Youtube is littered with improvised fishing kit ideas. Still waiting to hear from SR69 why this idea is so great. And nothing personal against the OP. I just don't see a benefit and if there is no benefit, why do it?
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New ideas are great and should be fostered, up to the point that they stop showing practical application. Youtube is littered with improvised fishing kit ideas. Still waiting to hear from SR69 why this idea is so great. And nothing personal against the OP. I just don't see a benefit and if there is no benefit, why do it?
I'm on my phone right now, but Ill try to answer this as quick as possible.
If you didn't read the OP, I stressed size for this use. This is SURVIVALIST
Boards. Just about everything I come up with with is within the context of
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I haven't seen one micro fishing kit that is worth the $19.95 + S&H they ask for them.
You're judging thus by "your" standards. We have different standards. I take an
object and turn it into a life sustaining tool. You seem to sell "buy a fishing set".
That misses the point entirely. This it's an exercise in innovation, not substitution.
AND in my experience, I'd rather have a near bullet proof chalkline than a
disposable "As Seen On TV!" Infomercial toy any day of the week.

For me, and I'm just speaking for myself, give me simplicity, durability and
and convenience every time. Its a cheap, easy kit that will not come apart
With the first 8lb fish you bring in.

Comparing it to a rod & reel is ridiculous. The real reel is the standard,
but show me a $6. reel that will last for everyday use. Apples/oranges.

Practical? In a Survival situation? Thats like "not" carrying an MSS set
because it weighs 3 more lbs than a equally equipped civilian bag set.
For me, I look at which will last longer within the constraints of <$10.
Chalkline beats Wally World Yogi Bear branded toy fishing kit any day.

I used to catch small mouth bass with soda cans and re cycled line &
hooks I'd find on shores if Lake Michigan. Id use nuts (hardware) for
weights.

If everyone should just buy survival gear, why even bother "thinking"
and not flexing the #1 survival tool, the mind? If all u had was a
chalkline, you wouldn't use it to fish with th o feed yourself?

LOL

Prepping, in my humble opinion isn't about having everything you need
alone. It's also about thinking outside the box and improvising and
seeing opportunity where someone else might not. But hey!

Thats just me!

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I don't see your side at all. We are currently BEFORE shtf. Now is the time to prep with the correct and proper equipment. AFTER shtf is when you start improvising because you didn't bother to get the right items when you had the chance. It is just like people keeping old CDs to use as signal mirrors. CDs SUCK at being signal mirrors. They have a fraction of the reflectivity of a real mirror. If you are in a position where you need a signal mirror and all you have is a CD then use it, but planning on using it is dumb. A real signal mirror only costs a few dollars and is the correct piece of equipment to stock and pack.
Why plan on using a chalk reel when a true fishing reel is available? And I wasn't talking about any micro anything. I was talking about the pre assembeled fishing poles and reels that go for $10 to $15. you can get 2 to 3 of them for the cost of the $35 chalk line that is a compromise to start with.
Again, if I was starving and came across a box of chalk reels I wouldn't hesitate to use them, but if there was a case of chalk reels and a lone fishing reel you can bet your life I'd be using the fishing reel.

Why bother buying backpacks? We should all wrap our stuff in a sheet or pillow case.
Why bother with a sleeping bag? We can just use a bunch of blankets.
Why bother with shoes? We can wrap our feet in rags.
Why bother with a hammer? Just hit it with a rock.

Or is that the difference between a survivalist and a prepper? A prepper gathers all of the things he thinks he will need or want in advance and a survivalist waits until it is too late then improvises everything?
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Too much weight for the job it does considering your packing it just in case.
My Abu Garcia reel is 10.45oz.
I just installed 40' of Spiderwire
on an Irwin Speedline chalkline
with a 3.5:1 ratio. Reels nice.

Total weight? 3.45oz

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I don't see your side at all. We are currently BEFORE shtf. Now is the time to prep with the correct and proper equipment. AFTER shtf is when you start improvising because you didn't bother to get the right items when you had the chance. It is just like people keeping old CDs to use as signal mirrors. CDs SUCK at being signal mirrors. They have a fraction of the reflectivity of a real mirror. If you are in a position where you need a signal mirror and all you have is a CD then use it, but planning on using it is dumb. A real signal mirror only costs a few dollars and is the correct piece of equipment to stock and pack.
Why plan on using a chalk reel when a true fishing reel is available? And I wasn't talking about any micro anything. I was talking about the pre assembeled fishing poles and reels that go for $10 to $15. you can get 2 to 3 of them for the cost of the $35 chalk line that is a compromise to start with.
Again, if I was starving and came across a box of chalk reels I wouldn't hesitate to use them, but if there was a case of chalk reels and a lone fishing reel you can bet your life I'd be using the fishing reel.
Yeah, because we should all wait UNTIL shtf to experiment and to test ideas.
BTW, read the thread again. I said I was going to do it with my cheap chalklines.
Carpenters have been replacing string with fishing line for decades.
Better for finish carpentry. Leaves a finer line. I know, I know...
Fishing line is more costly than string and not meant for snapping lines.
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You are all over the place. At one point you are saying the chalk line is better than a fishing reel, more durable and simple...
Another point it isn't about buying the right gear in advance.
Now it's about experimentation.
Still don't agree with you for the same reasons I gave earlier. If you had started with, "This could be used as an improvised fishing reel if you happened to have one and needed it", I would have agreed.

This isn't rocket science. Wrapping a string around a stick works just as well and is free. Tieing a line to a pop bottle and tossing it in works and is free. How much experimentation and testing is needed? Go to youtube. Hobo fishing gets over 600 results.
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You are all over the place. At one point you are saying the chalk line is better than a fishing reel, more durable and simple...
Another point it isn't about buying the right gear in advance.
Now it's about experimentation.
Still don't agree with you for the same reasons I gave earlier. If you had started with, "This could be used as an improvised fishing reel if you happened to have one and needed it", I would have
LOL! I'm all over the place? None of what I've said is mutually exclusive.
You are the one trying to pigeon hole my personal requirements.
My project, my thread, my needs, my standards. My chalkline
with Spiderwire is better than a $20. Combo for what "I" want.
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LOL! I'd love to see someone reeling in 30' with a stick!
Take my word for it...a chalkline is WAAAAAYYYYYYYYY
easier and far more convenient than a stick. Really. It is.
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You are the one trying to pigeon hole my personal requirements.
My project, my thread, my needs, my standards. My chalkline
with Spiderwire is better than a $20. Combo for what "I" want.
I love this!

*wipes sweat from brow and throws glove on the ground*
That's it I'm going home.

So what do you do with the blue chalk Charlie Brown?
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My project, my thread, my needs, my standards. My chalkline
with Spiderwire is better than a $20. Combo for what "I" want.
So If it is all yours and all for and about you then why tell us? Why push "your personal requirements" on us? And don't say you weren't because you said you were going to, "set you all straight".
You can stick a worm on your pecker and skinnydip for all I care. Just don't present it to others as the best thing since the bass boat.
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I love this!

*wipes sweat from brow and throws glove on the ground*
That's it I'm going home.

So what do you do with the blue chalk Charlie Brown?
LMAO!

Improvise! Fishing net? Extra cordage? Repairs to gear?
In my work, I always have need for extra mason's line.

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