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I know this question has been asked a bunch of times, but I am looking for a good first shotgun. I own a few rifles, the m1 carbine of my grandfather's being my personal favorite, but I would like to make the foray into shotguns. I would like to target shot with it, but it's main use is self-defense. I am 6'1, 180.




I have been hearing great things about the Remington 870 and the mossberg 500 and 590. Many say you can't go wrong with either, but I would like to hear from all of you with personal experience. There are a few different models of all of them, so if you have any info about which one you would recommend it would be much appreciated.

My budget is 400 or so at most.

Thank you for the help.
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First question for you are you right or left handed?I'm blind in my right eye basically since I was very young I like where the release is for me on a 870.A mossberg safety is on top and that fits everyone else.My only thought to this is if you buy a 870 get a used older one not new.If you get a 500 maybe buy some parts that improve it.Some will always say its good enough as is.Its kinda a ford/chevy question but it could differ which arm you use.
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First question for you are you right or left handed?I'm blind in my right eye basically since I was very young I like where the release is for me on a 870.A mossberg safety is on top and that fits everyone else.My only thought to this is if you buy a 870 get a used older one not new.If you get a 500 maybe buy some parts that improve it.Some will always say its good enough as is.Its kinda a ford/chevy question but it could differ which arm you use.
I am right handed. I can see what you are saying. I have heard the mossberg is a lot easier to replace the barrels if you so choose.
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Remington 887 Nitro Mag Tactical! I have an 870 and a 500, the 887 is amazing and darn near indestructible!
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I am right handed. I can see what you are saying. I have heard the mossberg is a lot easier to replace the barrels if you so choose.
It takes all of 30 seconds to change the barrel on a 870.

If your budget is $400, buy a Pardner Pump(Norinco 870 clone) for $180 at Walmart, a case of 250 Rio #00 shells for $200, a box of premium #00 shells(hornady, fed flight control, win supreme) for $10-$20, and then go to the range and practice and train with the Rio, pattern a few of the expensive shells, and keep your gun loaded with them at home/when in use. The Pardner is a great gun (honestly its probably better than the current express line rem is putting out), and you'll be much better off with some range time than if you spent $400 for a bottom of the barrel 870 Express.
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did you noticed the OP's moniker? ..... NY possibly NYC .... it's the Biden special for him
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I know this question has been asked a bunch of times, but I am looking for a good first shotgun. I own a few rifles, the m1 carbine of my grandfather's being my personal favorite, but I would like to make the foray into shotguns. I would like to target shot with it, but it's main use is self-defense. I am 6'1, 180.




I have been hearing great things about the Remington 870 and the mossberg 500 and 590. Many say you can't go wrong with either, but I would like to hear from all of you with personal experience. There are a few different models of all of them, so if you have any info about which one you would recommend it would be much appreciated.

My budget is 400 or so at most.

Thank you for the help.

You'll get strong opinions about the 870 and the 500, but each is fine.


Usually on the 870 you have to get rid of a couple of crimps if you want to add a mag tube extension, but it's real easy.

Some of the 500s are a little tougher to swap the slide on, but it's no real issue. If you get one and can't find any good info then send me a pm and I'll explain.

You'll probably just want to hold a few and see if you prefer one safety style over the other. A lot of folks prefer one safety over the other. I like both, but if a pistol grip is to be used I prefer the 870 safety.

If I had to choose one over the other I'd take the 870. I have one that I've had for about 20 years that has really held up well to some tough use. That's not to say that a 500 would not have held up though.

I also like the way the 870 breaks down a little better than the 500. Probably just personal preference though. You could watch a few vids to see if that matters to you.


They're both good though. See if someone around you has one of each you can run to see. If not, at least check one of each out to see what safety feels best to you and if one shoulders better for you.

Let us know and post up some pics when you can.
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My budget is 400 or so at most.

Thank you for the help.
As said before a Pardner pump or a Maverick 88(Mossberg clone) $200 at walmart would probably be the best options.

I'm a mossberg fan myself. There are so many aftermarket parts/accesories so you can customize either one later as you get more money.
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I made up this list for another thread:

There are many makers of semi/pump shotguns--most are listed here:

For some very good, inexpensive, made in Turkey guns check out Legacy Sport/HOWA...Their Escort EXTREME semi is a super duck/goose gun...Some of which Weatherby has rebadged.

TriStar -- has some really nice guns.

Bird & Clay -- has copies patterned after the Browning Silver and Winchester 1200 models that are extremely well made.

Khan Shotguns -- has the Matrix Kine-SYS Fidelio semi that is a delight to shoot...One of the members had it to the Sporting Clays range...They make the side -by-sides for DeHaan.

USSG Inc & EAA Corp have the SAR pump and SAR semi auto.

FNH-USA has the SLP and SLP Mark I semi autos but they do own Winchester and Browning.

CZ - CESKA ZBROJOVKA a.s. has their super crafted models the CZ512 and the deluxe CZ912.

Stoeger Ind. M3000 -- is supposed to be a super gun, 3" semi auto, chokes and a MSRP of $529 and about $450 street...The M3500 is the 3½" version for MSRP $629 and about $570 street.

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More for combat of humans then waterfowl (barrel is only 24") is the Russian made Saiga imported by RAAC Corp and made by the Izhmash JSC but it works ok in the field for upland game, pheasants.

Also from Russia with Love is the very solid Baikal made by Izhevsky Mechanichesky Zavod and their MP153 & MP155 semi autos are built like bloody tanks...They make O/U and Cape guns for Remington.

Chiappa Firearms has an 1887 Lever Action shotgun that is a superb copy...They make as well as the ugliest revolver going, the Rhino, which I got as a birthday present last year--5" hard chrome in .357 mag.

Both Ithaca M37 and the Browning BPS pumps have downward ejection, ideal for lefties and Browning has their Silver, Gold, Maxus, semi autos including the return of the incredible A5 improved...I want one so bad.

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Winchester -- has their SX3 supposed to be the fastest shotgun in the world but their previous model, the SX2, had the same claim and you can get one for a lot less money.

Benelli -- Super, gorgeous, very reduced felt recoil but expensive.

Beretta -- Super, gorgeous, very reduced felt recoil but expensive.

Franchi -- Super, gorgeous, very reduced felt recoil just not as expensive.--I have the 48DL in 28 bore for doves, snipe, quail and grouse.

On a tight budget then I agree with Farmer John get a single shot.
Both Rossi USA and the USA made H&R - Harrington & Richardson offer very good value models with interchangeable barrels so you can shoot BP-Black Powder or rifle calibres from the same stock...You may be able to find an used one or one by Winchester, Remington, or store brands like Sears, Western Auto etc.

Thompson-Center (T/C) -- has their Encore (but not the Contender) single shots with shotgun barrels and they are the cat's meow for beauty, finish, ruggedness but are much pricier...Change barrel from a 4" pistol to a 30" varmint rifle barrel from them and other makers...22 LR, .50 BP, .480 Marlin and everything in-between...At last count there were 158 different chamberings for the guns.

Of course there are these two old standbys, the ubiquitous and oft mentioned, Remington 870 & 887 pumps and the Versa-Max, SP10, 11-87 & 1100 (great classic shotgun BTW I have a 28 bore) in semi...They're part of the Freedom Group of H&R, DPMS, Marlin etc.
and Mossberg 500 (sloppy, noisy since day one), 535, 590 and 835 pumps and the 935, 930 semi auto and you can get as good and even much better shotguns for around the same price and cheaper from the other companies listed above.

That Howa Escort or the new Stoeger M3000 will kill birds just as well as our Remington 1100, Browning Silver, Gold, B2000 & A5 or Franchi 48DL will for a third to half of the price we paid…The birds or bad guys don’t care that you shot them with a Mossberg 500 (that everybody thinks is so cool) or an Ithaca M37 Sweet Sixteen.

Hope this helps?

I know I have missed some but I believe I got the most of the major makers.

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I'll never buy a Mossberg pump (semi autos are okay) and I'd only buy the Remington 870 used (pre 2007) as they have cheapened the gun dramatically since Cerberus Capital Management, took over...The only pump we own is my daughter's Ithaca M37 Sweet Sixteen for the chambering not the action but the Mossberg BPS is a much finer piece.

Unless you want to pimp out your gun with extended mag tube, pistol grip forend with flashlight, ghost ring sights, combat sling, side saddle ammo carrier then the selection is for Remington or Mossberg otherwise any gun will do.

Get one with a 20" or 22" turkey or deer barrel that will have choke tubes and adjustable sights and you're more then adequately ready for P/HD encounters add a 28" or 30" barrel for clay sports and hunting and you're finished.
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I won't touch the new 870s because of the MIM parts. Yes, I can replace them but I don't believe I should have too for a new firearm to be reliable over its life.

I really am pleased with my HR Protector and it works just like my OLD 870. I've heard nothing but good about the Mossbergs and lots of love for the 88 which is next on my list.
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I am partial to the 500, in my opinion it is better than the 870 because of its ergonomics. There are a number of advantages it has over the 870. Dual extractors, 5+1 cacacity for standard models over the 4+1 of the 870.
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NEF Pardner, Mossi Maverick 88, But my vote goes to the Rock Island Armory m5. I own all three of the ones I listed, m5 takes the cake. All are in your price range. The maverick 88 will be the most versatile since MOST parts are compatible with the 500.
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NEF Pardner, Mossi Maverick 88, But my vote goes to the Rock Island Armory m5. I own all three of the ones I listed, m5 takes the cake. All are in your price range. The maverick 88 will be the most versatile since MOST parts are compatible with the 500.

That RI M5 looks very interesting. If it holds up well that could be a great tool at that price.

Do you happen to know if any of the other aftermarket parts fit it?

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The RIA M5 is pretty new and does not have many "upgrades" despite it being a sears 200 clone. I can tell you this, just put the first 100 rounds through mine. GREAT shot gun! highly recommended.

Edit- Not big on the jeweled reciever!
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I have an old Mossberg (30 years old now) and the only problem I have had with it is the safety button broke off. I made one out of steel to replace the plastic and haven't had any problems withit since.
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I won't touch the new 870s because of the MIM parts. Yes, I can replace them but I don't believe I should have too for a new firearm to be reliable over its life.

I really am pleased with my HR Protector and it works just like my OLD 870. I've heard nothing but good about the Mossbergs and lots of love for the 88 which is next on my list.
Yep. Between an Pardner and an Express, the Pardner is hands down a better gun; no MIM parts, the finish is better(I won't say it's great, but better than an 870E), 5+1 capacity for 2-3/4" or 3" out of the box vs 4+1 (can take it to 6+1 with 2-3/4" just by removing the spring retainer), solid furniture, chamber is finished, and then on top of everything it's $190 after tax from Walmart. The Wing Masters and Police 870s may still be good guns, but that's a very different price point that opens up a lot more options for different platforms.
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Get a used single shot
1shot = more accurate
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I won't touch the new 870s because of the MIM parts. Yes, I can replace them but I don't believe I should have too for a new firearm to be reliable over its life.

I really am pleased with my HR Protector and it works just like my OLD 870. I've heard nothing but good about the Mossbergs and lots of love for the 88 which is next on my list.
Is the 887 also made using MIM parts?... Also, what are MIM parts?

haha sorry I am relatively new to the firearm world
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