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Gedunk....you mean the ship store?
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Of course, I'm sure you were in such secret dark ops, your SRB has been scrubbed. .
NEVER the less...
Those types DO exist
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they NEVER write books about what they did.
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they NEVER write books about what they did.
Then how do you know they exist? Records may be redacted. They aren't scrubbed to the point of not being able to verify general service, or service in non-classified units.
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Then how do you know they exist? Records may be redacted. They aren't scrubbed to the point of not being able to verify general service, or service in non-classified units.
AND you think things like this that happen are an "accident"

https://www.benefits.va.gov/COMPENSA...RC1973Fire.asp

Veteran Records Destroyed by Fire in 1973
On July 12, 1973, a fire at the National Personnel Records Center (NPRC) in St. Louis destroyed records held for Veterans who were discharged from the Army and Air Force.

Records Held for Army Veterans
The fire destroyed 80 percent of the records held for Veterans who were discharged from the Army between November 1, 1912 and January 1, 1960.

Exceptions: Records for retirees and reservists who were alive on July 12, 1973, were not involved in the fire.

Records Held for Air Force Veterans
The fire destroyed 75 percent of the records held for Veterans who were discharged from the Air Force between September 25, 1947 and January 1, 1964 with surnames beginning with Hubbard and running through the end of the alphabet.
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AND you think things like this that happen are an "accident"

https://www.benefits.va.gov/COMPENSA...RC1973Fire.asp

Veteran Records Destroyed by Fire in 1973
On July 12, 1973, a fire at the National Personnel Records Center (NPRC) in St. Louis destroyed records held for Veterans who were discharged from the Army and Air Force.

Records Held for Army Veterans
The fire destroyed 80 percent of the records held for Veterans who were discharged from the Army between November 1, 1912 and January 1, 1960.

Exceptions: Records for retirees and reservists who were alive on July 12, 1973, were not involved in the fire.

Records Held for Air Force Veterans
The fire destroyed 75 percent of the records held for Veterans who were discharged from the Air Force between September 25, 1947 and January 1, 1964 with surnames beginning with Hubbard and running through the end of the alphabet.
Yeah. I do think that was an accident. Guess I need to pull my application from Conspiracy Theorists Anonymous.
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AND you think things like this that happen are an "accident"



https://www.benefits.va.gov/COMPENSA...RC1973Fire.asp



Veteran Records Destroyed by Fire in 1973

On July 12, 1973, a fire at the National Personnel Records Center (NPRC) in St. Louis destroyed records held for Veterans who were discharged from the Army and Air Force.



Records Held for Army Veterans

The fire destroyed 80 percent of the records held for Veterans who were discharged from the Army between November 1, 1912 and January 1, 1960.



Exceptions: Records for retirees and reservists who were alive on July 12, 1973, were not involved in the fire.



Records Held for Air Force Veterans

The fire destroyed 75 percent of the records held for Veterans who were discharged from the Air Force between September 25, 1947 and January 1, 1964 with surnames beginning with Hubbard and running through the end of the alphabet.
Yes. Accidents.

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Gedunk....you mean the ship store?
Fragout passed me the sweet straight gouge, which like Gedunk (snacks counter vending machines etc..) The Ship's Store is closer to a tiny Exchange. (PX for Vets that served in the branches.

Just to add a little food for thought: When your on Individual Orders TAD trips outside of your Homeport never get recorded unless they are for transcribable training. Then they only show up on your Training Page. Not much to scrub?
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Fragout passed me the sweet straight gouge, which like Gedunk (snacks counter vending machines etc..) The Ship's Store is closer to a tiny Exchange. (PX for Vets that served in the branches.

Just to add a little food for thought: When your on Individual Orders TAD trips outside of your Homeport never get recorded unless they are for transcribable training. Then they only show up on your Training Page. Not much to scrub?
Every operation you participate in is noted somewhere. All those guys that participated in Neptune Spear? Documented. Will they release it without redacting? That's the question. Nobody is in such a secret unit that it isn't listed somewhere. Playing that card is Poser 101. (And no, not saying you claimed to be. Speaking in general terms) Even before DOD relaxed restrictions about speaking about SFOD-D, they were known, and membership could be verified by those in the know. NSW has never had a unit that shrouded in secrecy.
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Every operation you participate in is noted somewhere. All those guys that participated in Neptune Spear? Documented. Will they release it without redacting? That's the question. Nobody is in such a secret unit that it isn't listed somewhere. Playing that card is Poser 101. (And no, not saying you claimed to be. Speaking in general terms) Even before DOD relaxed restrictions about speaking about SFOD-D, they were known, and membership could be verified by those in the know. NSW has never had a unit that shrouded in secrecy.
I can't speak for any of the Other Branches, but there are Navy Organizations so Classified that they are only referenced by code names. The code name usually dissolves when the Organization is Reconfigured or disbanded.

What exactly is Skunkworks? I mean everyone that has ever flown a Janet Air Flight should be able to answer that? That was like what 1950&60's USAF? But what is the actual Organization?

PS: S.E.A.L. TEAM SIX was purposely given that name for disinformation reasons. "Big M" didn't want IVAN to realize that there actually where only 3 S.E.A.L. TEAMs in existence at that time. So much for clandestine, it was a disinformation project that was supposed to leak out.

As to Recruiting, was there ever a better commercial?

https://www.military.com/video/force...s/663917710001

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Every operation you participate in is noted somewhere. All those guys that participated in Neptune Spear? Documented. Will they release it without redacting? That's the question. Nobody is in such a secret unit that it isn't listed somewhere. Playing that card is Poser 101. (And no, not saying you claimed to be. Speaking in general terms) Even before DOD relaxed restrictions about speaking about SFOD-D, they were known, and membership could be verified by those in the know. NSW has never had a unit that shrouded in secrecy.
I've been around every possible type and unit there is. Even the ones that don't exist, that do. That said, everything I've ever been taught is opsec, seems to be plastered all over the internet. It's disgusting.

So you're right, when you're in the community, you're exposed to everything else out there eventually. Although records, at least personal ones, can be way out of wack. My dd214 is all over the place and inaccurate, and I don't have individual award or school documentation, so some stuff will only live on in my memory. It is what it is. Have nothing to prove to anyone. Did that, but most importantly, to myself.

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Seem folks won't believe that I've got multiple DD214's, one from every hitch. Want to talk about confusing the Ex-USAF VA Rep! Yet there were projects above my clearance level that I didn't have the need to know about. That was at the "Tip of the spear" as alluded to earlier. But some things still need to be veiled. Yet to my detriment, I have divulged a couple of code words off the air. Now it's up to the individual to do the research, and retain the SECRET should his efforts prove successful.

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I too have multiple DD214s. first one after my initial tour of active duty Army. Another after my initial 6 year commitment. Another after a reup into the ready reserve that was cut short for an enlistment in the Army Guard which sent me another after that hitch was up. Short break in service and another hitch in the Army Guard, another DD214 then another hitch in The active Air Force for Training in electronics and a transfer into the Air National guard. That is my last DD214.

All are lacking in some way after the original 3 year 214. I have the original from over 40 years ago but am not sure where in my old boxes the others are.

None of my service was anywhere close to secret squirrel stuff with the exception of providing MP escort security during several convoys to the DMZ in Korea by the 502d MI Battalion. We left Seoul and headed north. They disappeared at night, reappeared the next morning and we escorted them back to Seoul. This during the 6 months prior to the "Tree Cutting Incident" in August 1976. Heard some interesting stories about infiltrators, ambushes and such but no direct knowledge and soldiers have been known to stretch their war stories.
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I too have multiple DD214s. first one after my initial tour of active duty Army. Another after my initial 6 year commitment. Another after a reup into the ready reserve that was cut short for an enlistment in the Army Guard which sent me another after that hitch was up. Short break in service and another hitch in the Army Guard, another DD214 then another hitch in The active Air Force for Training in electronics and a transfer into the Air National guard. That is my last DD214.

All are lacking in some way after the original 3 year 214. I have the original from over 40 years ago but am not sure where in my old boxes the others are.

None of my service was anywhere close to secret squirrel stuff with the exception of providing MP escort security during several convoys to the DMZ in Korea by the 502d MI Battalion. We left Seoul and headed north. They disappeared at night, reappeared the next morning and we escorted them back to Seoul. This during the 6 months prior to the "Tree Cutting Incident" in August 1976. Heard some interesting stories about infiltrators, ambushes and such but no direct knowledge and soldiers have been known to stretch their war stories.
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I think you guys are being a little hard on Nac. He was apparently in such a secret unit, even guys in charge of NSW weapons didn't know about the Navy's use of the Glock 21.

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SHTF "Red Dawn" style and you can only take one of:

AK-47
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I’m surprised nobody chimed in about the benefits of a scoped Walther Model 4 in .32 acp. If you added a magazine mounted light and a can opener you could repel ANY foreign invasion.
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I think you guys are being a little hard on Nac. He was apparently in such a secret unit, even guys in charge of NSW weapons didn't know about the Navy's use of the Glock 21.

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Did you ask what sidearm he carried in His SV?
Or did he tell you that the PR's had been instructed to retrofit whatever sidearm the NAC/NSW prefered to carry?
S.E.A.L. Operators had even more leeway when it came to which firearms followed them afield. But just keep digging, some day Y'all shall learn when it's best to leave well enough alone. Like Bill stated: "Don't ask, don't tell!" Obviously OPSEC isn't part of your vocabulary.

So since it might have been part of the Billet Description to "Come when Called" when Elite Hunter Killer SEAL TEAMS might have bitten off more than they could chew during an Operation, but without an LZ someone has to be at the bottom of the Jungle Penetrator when the asset isn't able to buckle themself in with a D-RING................
But you got experience at this just like you have experience at handing off "eye's on" to "God" when a TEAM arrives on site?
What's the Israeli term? MYH. If the best your capable of is supposedly passing on is second hand rumor information via an unpublished source you make CNN reporters look like journalists. Quit being a "SCHMUCK" perhaps another Israeli term that is more familiar? LOL.
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Did you ask what sidearm he carried in His SV?
Or did he tell you that the PR's had been instructed to retrofit whatever sidearm the NAC/NSW prefered to carry?
S.E.A.L. Operators had even more leeway when it came to which firearms followed them afield.

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But you know what handgun was an actual issued and used one by the teams?

The S&W 686.

You know, the same gun you said you only carry your retired cop uncle's on an empty chamber, because they are prone to accidental discharges......

But you probably never saw those... since you were too busy ordering up whatever handgun you felt like carrying that day....

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But you know what handgun was an actual issued and used one by the teams?

The S&W 686.

You know, the same gun you said you only carry your retired cop uncle's on an empty chamber, because they are prone to accidental discharges......

But you probably never saw those... since you were too busy ordering up whatever handgun you felt like carrying that day....

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I swear, you are a more persistent pest without any actual experience than I have ever encountered. When do you want to start? SEAL Issue? Let's try what did the S.E.A.L. Operators elect to carry. That's S.E.A.L. issue, knifes firearms & attire. Gain some actual experience prior to sprouting off. Stick with what you know landlubber. JMHO.

Bye the 70's the Modified Model 39 S&W was loosely carried by those TEAM Members that elected a singularly purposeful sidearm. (the 1911 proved to be a better general purpose sidearm) Revolvers went the way of the Dinosaur after Korea. So you're either beyond ancient, or have no actual experience with any of the Naval Forces since the Korean War, probably both! Either way I wish you & yours well.

Would you please explain how the TEAMS where issued a S&W sidearm in the 60's, and 70's that wasn't produced until when???? 1981-1999, quit showing your six to the entire forum. JMHO. How uninformed do you really expect the membership to be???????????????
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I swear, you are a more persistent pest without any actual experience than I have ever encountered. When do you want to start? SEAL Issue? Let's try what did the S.E.A.L. Operators elect to carry. That's S.E.A.L. issue, knifes firearms & attire. Gain some actual experience prior to sprouting off. Stick with what you know landlubber. JMHO.

Bye the 70's the Modified Model 39 S&W was loosely carried by those TEAM Members that elected a singularly purposeful sidearm. (the 1911 proved to be a better general purpose sidearm) Revolvers went the way of the Dinosaur after Korea. So you're either beyond ancient, or have no actual experience with any of the Naval Forces since the Korean War, probably both! Either way I wish you & yours well.
Remember reading (and pix) of S&w 357's being used in Vietnam to shoot boat motors.
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