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Old 08-21-2019, 07:43 PM
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I was not a Trump fan before 2016. Never watched his tv show. He was a just a rich lould mouth from New York.
But truth is, he has been doing a good job. All the right people are mad at him, and especially the ****ing deep state creatures.

Since every democratic canidate is a left wing socialist, fully intent on destroying the US constitution, I am not inclined to support a single one of them.
So unless Trump signs a new assault weapons bill, or a national red flag law that shredds due process, or a tax increase, I plan to support Trump.
Is it possible that the Social Engineers and the people behind the scenes pulling the strings have manipulated Americans into thinking that Trump and the Dems are actual enemies? I'm just asking if it's possible that we're watching a magic trick or shell game? Can we trust the MSM to tell the underlying truth about anything at all?

While we're watching the magician's left hand (the Dems) -- the magician is pushing Dem policies with his right hand (Trump)? Is that possible?
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Is it possible that the Social Engineers and the people behind the scenes pulling the strings have manipulated Americans into thinking that Trump and the Dems are actual enemies? I'm just asking if it's possible that we're watching a magic trick or shell game? Can we trust the MSM to tell the underlying truth about anything at all?

While we're watching the magician's left hand (the Dems) the magician is pushing Dem policies with his right hand (Trump)? Is that possible?
Trump reminds me of an old style southern Democrat. We called them Reagan Democrats, since they voted for Ronnie in large numbers.
I have not seen one since Bill Clinton got elected and made such a mess. Here in Oklahoma, the Reagan Democrats changed party affiiation en mass in 1994.
Most old style Democrats were patriotic, pro union, pro military, and support US jobs. They also rejected socialism and gun control.

Is Trump actually an enemy of the Democrats?

He sure seems to be the enemy of the left wing socialist wing of the Democratic party, and the left wing seems to be the enemy of the rest of their own party, and the enemy of Main Street America.
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So you instead vote for a pro-2A (but unwinnable) candidate to assuage your principles and the end result is a Dem wins who is 1000x worse then Trump. Thus loosing the very thing you wouldn't compromise about.

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That's actually EXACTLY how we got Trump (for all his many, MANY Faults) vs a Rino R.

I have changed my opinion: while I think trump MIGJT sign gun control in his second term.. . (Being the lifelong NYC Democrat that he is) he will not do so BEFORE the elections, he's too smart for that Imho.
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So what "better candidate" has emerged because I'm all ears and have been looking for one recently?

Until then its the lesser of two evils, like it is every four years.

You are never going to be completely satisfied with anyone, at least that has been my experience.
Yup. I agree. But that's the problem and it's why we are in the shape we are in. Election after election of the lesser of two evils. Which equate not to choice, but an illusion of choice.

Right or wrong I'm not participating in this nonsense anymore. Too much corruption. The whole thing needs to go.

I'm hearing talk of Oprah running. That's what it's come too.

And apparently the majority of Americans don't have a problem with this. So we'll just keep doing what we've been doing all along and the inevitable is the complete destruction of America and the few rights we have left.

That's where it's going. I'm not playing this stupid game anymore and have lost all faith in any politician that's in this system.
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remember all the people on here that said "if Trump just appoint constitutionalist judges, he will be ok"?... I did, for one, and I'll vote for him gain because I don't see anybody including Tulsi or Yang (vote for a Democrat?) that will not go for your individual rights. We may indeed have a war again. but if we do, voting for Trump is not going to be the cause of it. All over the world the Globalists are being rejected, so we are just going to give up?

This is like a firefight. It is a personal decision whether you hang in for the mad minute or haul ass, tossing your 16 aside. I'll hang in, always have.
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It's clear Trump is going to be the republican candidate in 2020. If you consider the alternative to Trump in this election and DO NOT support that alternative, what real choice do you have regardless of the economy? Eventually the democrats are going to win the presidency again. I'm not ready for our country to go in the direction the democrats want to take it. Even with all of our warts, and eight years of limp wristed obama, we still have the best country in the world. I believe this and I believe President Trump believes it, so I will be voting for Trump again.
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It's clear Trump is going to be the republican candidate in 2020. If you consider the alternative to Trump in this election and DO NOT support that alternative, what real choice do you have regardless of the economy? Eventually the democrats are going to win the presidency again. I'm not ready for our country to go in the direction the democrats want to take it. Even with all of our warts, and eight years of limp wristed obama, we still have the best country in the world. I believe this and I believe President Trump believes it, so I will be voting for Trump again.
Unfortunately ... our nation has been going "the way of the Democrats" since (at the very least) the establishment of the Federal Reserve Bank and, later, FDR's reign of Socialist programs. Bush Sr. called for "a New World Order" while Bush Jr. vastly expanded the power and scope of the Federal Government with the establishment of The Department of Homeland Security (what a gigantic power-grab THAT turned out to be) and the Patriot Act. Neither of which were or are "secure" or "patriotic."

So the Democrats AND the Republicans are all about huge government and spending money America doesn't have. Both infringe upon our rights as men and our rights under the Constitution. Both seek to infringe upon our 2A rights. Neither have made any significant attempts to secure the southern border. The Repubs need cheap labor while the Dems need votes. Both get credit for moving America towards Democrat ideals. The Republicans are simply Democrat-Lite.
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I have absolutely no intention of voting for Trump

UNLESS there is a Democrat running against him.
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I'll vote for who ever is more aligned with my beliefs. Dems currently "way off" to get my vote.
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What RedTail wrote.

Also, the main drivers are limits to growth and environmental damage vs. a human population that wants and expects more resources and energy.

Given that, it won't matter who becomes President.
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The Trump economy vs. the Obama economy

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That's actually EXACTLY how we got Trump (for all his many, MANY Faults) vs a Rino R.

I have changed my opinion: while I think trump MIGJT sign gun control in his second term.. . (Being the lifelong NYC Democrat that he is) he will not do so BEFORE the elections, he's too smart for that Imho.
Except Trump wasn't an unwinnable candidate. With his wealth he could stand up to both the Dems and his own party that wanted to see him fail.

Absent the money he brought to the table there would have been no way he would have made it past the primaries.

Just as every other "better" (but non-party supported) candidate has done when faced with the costs involved with running a political campaign.
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Trump governs a country which requires free trade because of the Triffin dilemma. That is, the country that holds a global reserve currency will always face trade deficits, and superpower status is achieved through heavy borrowing and spending because of the same currency.

Given that, the economy will tank either way, i.e., as debts continue to soar or if debts are curtailed through government restrictions, which means spending declines.

For survivalists, there are additional problems, and they are not above-ground: limitations in the physical biosphere leading to a resource crunch and environmental collapse contributing to the same. The effects of those will make financial collapse look like child's play.
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I am a Trump supporter. However, we are spending too much money and he seems to have no plans to reign this in. If the economy tanks while he's in there I will consider finding a 3rd party candidate to support.
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Trump reminds me of an old style southern Democrat. We called them Reagan Democrats, since they voted for Ronnie in large numbers.
I have not seen one since Bill Clinton got elected and made such a mess. Here in Oklahoma, the Reagan Democrats changed party affiiation en mass in 1994.
Most old style Democrats were patriotic, pro union, pro military, and support US jobs. They also rejected socialism and gun control.

Is Trump actually an enemy of the Democrats?

He sure seems to be the enemy of the left wing socialist wing of the Democratic party, and the left wing seems to be the enemy of the rest of their own party, and the enemy of Main Street America.
In the not-too-distant-past:



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An awful lot of Reagan Democrats were union workers in the North. UAW, UMW, Steelworkers, Teamsters, etc.
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I am a Trump supporter. However, we are spending too much money and he seems to have no plans to reign this in. If the economy tanks while he's in there I will consider finding a 3rd party candidate to support.
The horror of the deficit-spending lifestyle is that, if you DO try to rein it in, you immediately unleash a catastrophic deflationary spiral. That will happen no matter who is in charge. So don't judge Trump on that basis. Look to his judges, his regulatory relief, his economic nationalism. The collapse, when it comes, will be easier to weather if we have a strong manufacturing base. Remember that the only sectors of an economy that create value are farmers, miners, and manufacturers.

Central banks can more or less control inflation. Deflation is what gives them nightmares, because it's a failure of faith and trust. No central bank can print money fast enough to counter that, which is why inflation runaways like Germany, Zimbabwe or Venezuela only result in further economic contraction.
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In the 1980's they announced that the US was one TRILLION Dollars in debt. Today we are now OVER *$22,543,000,000,000 in debt. Numbers don't lose their meaning simply because they've gotten too large to comprehend. The US Dollar WILL collapse eventually & if it happens under President Trump it absolutely will NOT be his fault. He will simply be the President the Globalists decided to pin it on.

If/when the dollar does collapse, Donald Trump is the very BEST President we could hope to have in order to help us get back on our feet. A Globalist dancing monkey like Bush Sr., Clinton, W. or Comrade Obama will simply do as he's told & sell us out to a "One World Currency" which was the goal all along.

With a Patriot in power when the Dollar collapses, an executive order can be issued that disbands the Federal Reserve based on the fact that it's proven itself a failed system & we can print our own money as our Founding Fathers intended.

Trump is NOT perfect but, he's the VERY BEST President (which isn't saying much) America has had in my (53) lifetime.

*Source: usdebtclock.org
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Imagine voting based on economic ideology when your people are going instinct in their own homelands.


Peak Boomer Worldview.
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Nope....although I wouldn't vote for him if the economy was going good at the time either.

Whichever 3rd party is closest to 5% gets my presidential vote as always. Maybe one day we'll see the death of the two party system but it's not very likely.
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