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Old 05-26-2020, 02:30 PM
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Does anyone know why most of the BLM land is out west? none here in Oklahoma, why doesn't Oklahoma have any BLM land?. I know of one place in Okla, one can camp for 2 weeks if u possess a valid fishing license, its the blue river down by Tishmingo. sure wished there was more BLM land in Oklahoma and Texas.
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The Midwestern states, like Oklahoma, were settled by farmers, homesteaders, and a lot of the land was arable. So, a lot of land was claimed by individuals.

The western states are dryer. Homesteading was much harder, cattle was easier, but 160 acres wasn’t enough, and a lot of the land isn’t flat enough to farm, so a lot of land went unclaimed.

And thus, it stayed on the federal land registry, at a MUCH higher percentage than more arable hospitable areas in the Midwest or west coast. That land became National Forest, or BLM land.

I sometimes think they should offer 40 acre lots now, win a chunk in a lottery, and build a house and improve it and live on it (not farm it) because there is a LOT of land that is not used, and land prices are higher than they should be, due to scarcity of available land and water.
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That's an interesting question, maybe the BLM has a place to ask on their website. I worked for them for two summers a long time ago (mid 70's) as a Cadastral survey aide. I did one summer for the Bureau of Reclamation - Snow Survey.

I think I read that Nevada has the most federal land. That might be for the lower 48.
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Ajole about summed it up.

I worked for the BLM for awhile. The saying was "The farmers and ranchers took what they wanted, the forest service and park service took what they wanted. The cream of the crap was left for the BLM to manage."
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Don't forget the Trail of Tears in the 1830s.

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I sometimes think they should offer 40 acre lots now, win a chunk in a lottery, and build a house and improve it and live on it (not farm it) because there is a LOT of land that is not used, and land prices are higher than they should be, due to scarcity of available land and water.
Please, no. The land is here for all of us to enjoy, not to split up and take away piece by piece. That being said, there are already far too many restrictions on the land and the feds are swindling ways to add more restrictions every year. Roads that have traveled through the hills for over 100 years are being closed because they want to return it back to nature and make it so only people on foot or horseback can experience the beauty.

The last thing BLM land needs is more people or more federal oversight.
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The East was settled first. Though our federal government wasn't intended to hold large quantities of land, they eventually did an about face. The conservation movement grew slowly at first, but influential works by Aldo Leopold and Rachel Carson gave .gov traction to end the distribution of public lands in the name of conservation. FLPMA of 1976 formally ended homesteading with the exception of Alaska which ended a decade later. Now we have this cluster **** of royal forests in the West and relatively little public land in the East. Forest Service is really only interested in lands that produce forest products. The rest got dished out to the BLM who currently pimp it out for oil, gas, and number of other uses.

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Please, no. The land is here for all of us to enjoy, not to split up and take away piece by piece. That being said, there are already far too many restrictions on the land and the feds are swindling ways to add more restrictions every year. Roads that have traveled through the hills for over 100 years are being closed because they want to return it back to nature and make it so only people on foot or horseback can experience the beauty.

The last thing BLM land needs is more people or more federal oversight.
Absolutely

People have been trying to get title to BLM land from the beginning, mostly ranchers. They hate the fact that the BLM puts restrictions on the way they use the federal land they now lease. If they ever got their way, all of the land that belongs to EVERYBODY in the country would be private now with no trespassing signs everywhere.

BLM has a multi-use mandate. Wildlife and recreation have as much importance as grazing, mining, oil, or logging.

The commons, land that is owned by all citizens, is an old old concept, even mentioned in the Bible.
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Does anyone know why most of the BLM land is out west? none here in Oklahoma, why doesn't Oklahoma have any BLM land?. I know of one place in Okla, one can camp for 2 weeks if u possess a valid fishing license, its the blue river down by Tishmingo. sure wished there was more BLM land in Oklahoma and Texas.
I don't know about OK. but most of the states say west of the 100th meridian were granted land to support schools when the public lands were divvied up. Two sections 16 and 36 were granted to the state out of every township.

The states treat their lands differently. Nebr. gives all the rights to whoever leases it. I suppose the lessee could put up no trespassing signs if they wanted. In Wyo, the public can use state lands.

You might check out if Ok has any state school lands, and what the rules are.
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BLM land is the main reason I do not see myself ever living east of the Rocky Mountains.
I don't want some knob yelling at me because I stop my truck on the side of a road so I can run behind a bush to enjoy the view, yes it does happen.
I also like the ability to drive the many dirt side roads in the desert.
Two days ago I drove within 50yds of 3 antelope.

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Does anyone know why most of the BLM land is out west? none here in Oklahoma, why doesn't Oklahoma have any BLM land?. I know of one place in Okla, one can camp for 2 weeks if u possess a valid fishing license, its the blue river down by Tishmingo. sure wished there was more BLM land in Oklahoma and Texas.
Youíre going to have to drive a bit but the Black Kettles Federal land in Western Oklahoma has 33,000 acres.
And the hunting ainít bad out there. With deer rifle season only 9 days it puts a bunch of people out there but bow, black powder opens up a lot of good hunting days there without seeing anyone. Deer, Turkey, some quail and pigs starting to show up more and more.
Grab a hunting book at Walmart I think it list a lot of public hunting and fishing options in Oklahoma.
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BLM land seems to be worthless with no grass and not tillable so nobody cares to own it. I do know of a small mountain range in Wyoming I'd like to explore which is BLM but is surrounded by private land, so I can't get to it. Legally.
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If you have enough money, pieces of National Forest and Fed owned land can be bought miraculously. If it sits in an attractive area. The area around Vedauwoo, between Laramie and Cheyenne Wyoming is a good example. New homes and acreages are popping up everywhere.
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The federal government owns 28% of all U.S. land, presumably held in trust for all Americans.
USA : 3,794,101 sq mi
28% = 1,062,348.28 sq mi
640 acres to a square mile, or 679,902,899.2 acres.
Roughly 2 acres per American.

So why did the government keep the land?

Wasn't it paid for by taxpayers or acquired via treaty?

In the constitution, there is no delegation of power for the government to possess huge swaths of land outside the scope of forts, post offices, and needed buildings.

Administering this land is a tremendous grant of power and wealth to the federal government, and denies the states of their authority and jurisdiction.

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ESCHEAT - (LAW) Property that has reverted to the state when no legal heirs or claimants exist.

NEW YORK CONSTITUTION (1894)
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SECTION ß 10. [Escheats.]-The people of this State, in their right of sovereignty, are deemed to possess the original and ultimate property in and to all lands within the jurisdiction of the State; and all lands the title to which shall fail, from a defect of heirs, shall revert, or escheat to the people.
Remember, people and citizens are mutually exclusive.
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Anyone interested in turning BLM land into private property you own.
Should research the "Desert Land Entry Act". That land entry law is still active.

Read up: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/43/chapter-9

BLM touts its near impossible & expensive to do today.
It's certainly not impossible & can be done with little money.
If you are smart, clever & tenacious.
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