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What's the problem being discussed here?

That a $15/hr minimum wage is too high or that there is any minimum wage limit to begin with?
It does nothing to fix any problem. It gives the 'illusion' of more money, but it will simlpy devalue the dollar even more.
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The move towards $15 an hour will be gradual. It will help eliminate the working poor. Wal-Mart the largest retailer in the world won't have programs so that their employees can find public assistance to supplement their crummy wages.

Before unions, miners, ag workers and textile workers were famously exploited with low wages as examples.
If you think raising minimum wage to 15 is gonna help the working poor you are dreaming. In my business I pay on average 12.00 per hour. If minimum wage went up here to 15 I'd have to pay 20 per hour to get anyone interested in the position. Do you think I would just eat that cost? Of course not, I would have to raise my rates because the cost of doing business went up. Just like when gas was really high everything went up in price because the cost of doing business went up. So oh wow, now I make 15.00 per hour but the cost of everything went up so I'm where I was before or worse off. The only way to make more money and get ahead is by working harder/longer or by getting a better job, if you think the market won't level itself out after raising minimum wage to 15 than you are probably someone who worked for the government their whole life, or completely clueless.
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The move towards $15 an hour will be gradual. It will help eliminate the working poor. Wal-Mart the largest retailer in the world won't have programs so that their employees can find public assistance to supplement their crummy wages.

Before unions, miners, ag workers and textile workers were famously exploited with low wages as examples.
A minimum wage job at Walmart was never meant to support a family or be a career position. Same goes for MickeyDs etc.

Are you trying to equate a hard labor and extremely dangerous job with a stocker at Walmart? People don't "DESERVE" a certain pay, or even a job at all, they must earn it.
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A minimum wage job at Walmart was never meant to support a family or be a career position. Same goes for MickeyDs etc.

Are you trying to equate a hard labor and extremely dangerous job with a stocker at Walmart? People don't "DESERVE" a certain pay, or even a job at all, they must earn it.
The really sad thing is, WalMart and McDonalds actually offer education opportunities for their employees. So the opportunity is there for many, they lack the desire to 'grab' it.
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The really sad thing is, WalMart and McDonalds actually offer education opportunities for their employees. So the opportunity is there for many, they lack the desire to 'grab' it.
Exactly, if those workers settle for just flippin a burger and don't take the opportunity to advance to management or even higher, then they are not OWED anything from anyone. They will soon discover, that $15 buys them the same thing the $8.75 did before they got their "raise".
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Bernie needs a "living wage". After a lifetime of work, he has amassed about 300K. Hillary gets 300K for a 40 minute speech. By that logic, Bernie would be better off flipping burgers at $15 an hour and getting free medical care, free education, free Obamaphones, free Housing, etc. Oh, I forgot, that IS his platform and Hillary wants to punish those who pay her 300K for nothing. Now I see how Democracy works.
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The really sad thing is, WalMart and McDonalds actually offer education opportunities for their employees. So the opportunity is there for many, they lack the desire to 'grab' it.
My wife worked at Walmart for a few years before getting into nursing. For what it is, it was a nice place to work for. Decent pay for the job, good benefits, and a discount card that gave you 10% of everything in the store except food. Not too bad for a bottom of the barrel job. She wanted to make more money, so she went into nursing. If you are a competent person it is easy to climb their corporate ladder and become a manager. After working there 2 years my wife was given the opportunity to do so but she declined because she wanted to pursue her nursing career.
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If you are a competent person it is easy to climb their corporate ladder and become a manager.
It is like that at many of these type of 'unskilled' jobs. My wife works at a place like that (mainly because she is bored and wanted extra money) and it has been similar. She turned down their GM (General Manager) position for the store because it did not allow her to be home with the kids (which I agree with), that was after less than a year as an 'entry level' worker.
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So far no one has actually seen the real reason. What comes off the top of your check before you see it? Right, taxes!!! Wages go up so there is an increase in tax revenue to the state and federal levels without a tax hike. Politicians can then brag about what they did without increasing taxes. See the game they are playing?
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Government butting itself where it has no business (pun intended...). Another case of "anything government touches turns to crap".
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I'll move by then
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Sorry, between an outrageous minimum wage worth more than what you produce or what I can afford to pay you while training, and the mandatory benefits and health care the government demands I pay you, the increased employment taxes I have to pay because of this, and their spying on me to make sure they get their cut, I can no longer afford to keep you. Here's your final check, I really am sorry, and hope you can find something somewhere... I hear the military might be hiring... if the right person gets elected.

Otherwise you could always commit a felony and go to prison. At least you'll have guaranteed food and housing, and a job making overpriced goods for government consumers while making the exempted 85 cents an hour...
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Just like all of the other min. wage increases did?
Boom!!

Plus union contracts are tied to minimum wage so it isn't like this is to help the poor. They are just used, as always, for others to rent seek from the gov't.
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It must be an election year. Many union contracts are linked to minimum wage increase so an an increase in minimum wage means an increase in union wages, which means an increase in union dues, which means more money spent helping Dems get elected to increase the minimum wage and other benefits.
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Gov't is STUPID ... $15 an hours in Los Angeles is not much but $15 an hour north of Sacramento is a different story....same with the desert.
We need Cost of Living Allowance to minimum wage not a straight amount across the entire State or Country. A higher minimum wage makes sense in areas with a higher cost of living.
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It won't work. A friend of mines wife is a big shot at a major burger Corp and their going to automated cashiers eliminating the cashiers
So they demanded themselves out of jobs
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Of course. A Production Manager to feed the automated burger assemblers and fry-o-matic machines (and of course, management is paid salary - exempt from minwage), Coke and milkshake machines reminiscent of the old 2 bit coffee machines in breakrooms... A Sales Manager to feed the change machines, and muck out the restaurant and restrooms. ANd the Assistant Managers for filling in on shift.

Sorry, we don't need you at $15 an hour (plus an additional $18 an hour for employee taxes, Obamacare, and other mandatory benefits) when we can have a machine that costs us $4.22 an hour to run, and have salaried "Sales Managers", "Production Managers" and their assistant managers to run the store, mop the floors, and make sure the machinery keeps running.
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I remember when minimum wage went from $3.25 to $5 and every one thought it was saying the same thing everyone says about this. I honestly can't say that I agree or disagree with it, because it doesn't actually seem to matter. At least from where I stand.
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Amen. Econ 101. Progressives missed that class I guess
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These socialist stooges are cutting their own throats and doing so with glee!
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