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Effective July 1, 2016. From the VCDL:

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Good news!

Maine now officially lists Virginia as one of the permits it now recognizes!

http://www.maine.gov/dps/msp/license...ciprocity.html


The Virginia State Police web site is showing that Colorado and New Hampshire honor Virginia permits:

http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_Reciprocity.shtm

However, Colorado and New Hampshire have not updated their web sites yet to reflect that fact. I ll advise when they do so.


Georgia is not shown on the Virginia State Police web site as honoring Virginia permits and Georgia has not updated their web site to that effect either. Not sure why the Virginia State Police is not listing Georgia, as Georgia will honor any state that honors them (same as Colorado and New Hampshire). I ll advise when Georgia officially lists Virginia permits as valid in that state.


We would recommend caution for the time being on carrying with a Virginia permit in NH, CO, and GA until their official web sites are updated.

Thanks to Gary Slider with http://www.handgunlaw.us/ for providing some of the information above.


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Yes, Virginia, our CHPs are now officially recognized by Colorado! Thanks to member Tim Hanna for the catch.

https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/cbi/chpreciprocity

I expect we’ll have something soon from GA and NH.
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What is the legality of owning or possession of a hand gun in Virginia and what age? The reason I asked is because my 18 year old daughter will be moving there this fall and I want her to have some protection.
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What is the legality of owning or possession of a hand gun in Virginia and what age? The reason I asked is because my 18 year old daughter will be moving there this fall and I want her to have some protection.


She can legally have a handgun she just can't buy one from an FFL. She can also open carry she just can't get her CCP yet. She can't buy ammo because no store will sell Handgun ammo to an 18 year old. You will have to buy the gun and ammo for her and gift it to her.


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I'm very happy about CO because my wife's family lives there and I spend a couple weeks a year there


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It seems that Georgia is going to be difficult. Just a heads up if you plan on traveling to GA.

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VA-ALERT: Use caution on carrying in Georgia, New Hampshire web site not updated yet

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CAUTION: Georgia is still not listing Virginia CHPs as being honored on their state web site. And the Virginia State Police (VSP) web site is not showing that Georgia recognizes Virginia CHPs either.

I called my contact at the VSP about Georgia. He said the VSP got an email from the Georgia Attorney General s office saying that since Virginia doesn t allow those in the military who are over 18 and under 21 to carry concealed, Virginia doesn t qualify for reciprocity.

That s clearly baloney, as even a cursory look at some of the states Georgia DOES honor shows that many don t allow anyone under 21 to carry concealed (Louisiana, North Carolina, and Wisconsin, for example).

I contacted my counterpart in Georgia Carry, Jerry Henry, and he is actively working this for us. He said Georgia originally did the same thing to South Carolina, but the issue was corrected.

I have also been in touch with Gary Slider of handgunlaw.us. He is working the issue from other angles.

I will advise once we have a resolution, but for now use caution in Georgia unless you have a Utah or Florida non-resident permit.



NEW HAMPSHIRE

VSP has a written reciprocity agreement with New Hampshire, but their web site does not reflect that relationship yet. I have a call into the NH State Police to see when they are going to update their web site. I will advise.


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She can legally have a handgun she just can't buy one from an FFL. She can also open carry she just can't get her CCP yet. She can't buy ammo because no store will sell Handgun ammo to an 18 year old. You will have to buy the gun and ammo for her and gift it to her.
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(1) It shall be unlawful for a person to sell, deliver, or otherwise transfer to a person who the transferor knows or has reasonable cause to believe is a juvenile—
(A) a handgun; or
(B) ammunition that is suitable for use only in a handgun.
(2) It shall be unlawful for any person who is a juvenile to knowingly possess—
(A) a handgun; or
(B) ammunition that is suitable for use only in a handgun.
(3) This subsection does not apply to—
(A) a temporary transfer of a handgun or ammunition to a juvenile or to the possession or use of a handgun or ammunition by a juvenile if the handgun and ammunition are possessed and used by the juvenile—
(i) in the course of employment, in the course of ranching or farming related to activities at the residence of the juvenile (or on property used for ranching or farming at which the juvenile, with the permission of the property owner or lessee, is performing activities related to the operation of the farm or ranch), target practice, hunting, or a course of instruction in the safe and lawful use of a handgun;
(ii) with the prior written consent of the juvenile’s parent or guardian who is not prohibited by Federal, State, or local law from possessing a firearm, except—
(I) during transportation by the juvenile of an unloaded handgun in a locked container directly from the place of transfer to a place at which an activity described in clause (i) is to take place and transportation by the juvenile of that handgun, unloaded and in a locked container, directly from the place at which such an activity took place to the transferor; or
(II) with respect to ranching or farming activities as described in clause (i), a juvenile may possess and use a handgun or ammunition with the prior written approval of the juvenile’s parent or legal guardian and at the direction of an adult who is not prohibited by Federal, State or local law from possessing a firearm;
(iii) the juvenile has the prior written consent in the juvenile’s possession at all times when a handgun is in the possession of the juvenile; and
(iv) in accordance with State and local law;
(B) a juvenile who is a member of the Armed Forces of the United States or the National Guard who possesses or is armed with a handgun in the line of duty;
(C) a transfer by inheritance of title (but not possession) of a handgun or ammunition to a juvenile; or
(D) the possession of a handgun or ammunition by a juvenile taken in defense of the juvenile or other persons against an intruder into the residence of the juvenile or a residence in which the juvenile is an invited guest.
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Juvenile... Being the key word. Anyone over 18 in VA can own a handgun

http://smartgunlaws.org/minimum-age-...s-in-virginia/


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Juvenile... Being the key word. Anyone over 18 in VA can own a handgun
Correct. Relevant law from Code of Virginia:

http://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/18.2-308.7/
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And pertaining to the purchase of ammunition:

"What is the legal age to purchase ammunition?
Virginia law does not address age requirements for the purchase of ammunition. Federal law requires an individual to be at least 21 years of age to purchase handgun ammunition, and at least 18 years old to purchase rifle or shotgun ammunition. "

http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms.shtm#FAQ
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Update from the VCDL: VA-ALERT: New Hampshire now lists Virginia as a reciprocal state on their website!

Good news! New Hampshire has now formally acknowledge honoring Virginia resident and non-resident CHPs by listing Virginia on their reciprocal webpage.

Thanks to member Lloyd Reese for reminding me to check the New Hampshire website again. ;-)

Here s the link:

https://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/...ing/plupr.html
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Update from the VCDL: VA-ALERT: New Hampshire now lists Virginia as a reciprocal state on their website!

Good news! New Hampshire has now formally acknowledge honoring Virginia resident and non-resident CHPs by listing Virginia on their reciprocal webpage.

Thanks to member Lloyd Reese for reminding me to check the New Hampshire website again. ;-)

Here s the link:

https://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/...ing/plupr.html
New Hampshire only honors Resident Permits from the states they honor.

ETA: From https://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/...ing/plupr.html

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(snip) Reciprocity:

The states listed below have indicated that they will recognize New Hampshire resident pistol revolver licenses. Anyone carrying a firearm in New Hampshire is subject to all other applicable laws including RSA 159:3.
Alabama Michigan
Alaska Missouri
Arizona * Mississippi
Arkansas North Carolina
Colorado * North Dakota
Florida * Ohio
Georgia Oklahoma
Idaho Pennsylvania
Indiana Tennessee
Iowa Utah
Kansas Virginia
Kentucky West Virginia *
Louisiana Wyoming
Maine

* License holders must be 21 years of age or older.

PLEASE NOTE: The State of New Hampshire will only recognize resident concealed handgun licenses from the above (emphasis mine) listed states so long as the non-resident carries upon his person the actual license from the state in which he or she resides. (snip)
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Juvenile... Being the key word. Anyone over 18 in VA can own a handgun

http://smartgunlaws.org/minimum-age-...s-in-virginia/
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Correct. Relevant law from Code of Virginia:

http://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/18.2-308.7/
I quoted the USC, not Virginia law. As federal law is more restrictive, it is the applicable law.

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And pertaining to the purchase of ammunition:

"What is the legal age to purchase ammunition?
Virginia law does not address age requirements for the purchase of ammunition. Federal law requires an individual to be at least 21 years of age to purchase handgun ammunition, and at least 18 years old to purchase rifle or shotgun ammunition. "

http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms.shtm#FAQ
Federal law requires an individual to be at least 21 years of age to purchase ammunition that is suitable for use only in a handgun.
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Correction on NH reciprocity:

VA-ALERT: AAARGH!! NH does NOT honor Virginia NON-RESIDENT permits

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I was right the first time yesterday. New Hampshire honors Virginia *resident* permits, but does NOT honor Virginia *non-resident* permits. So, if you live in Virginia and have a Virginia CHP, you can carry in New Hampshire. If you don t live in Virginia, you can t carry on a Virginia permit.

The confusion came from a letter to the Virginia State Police from the Commissioner of the Department Of Safety in New Hampshire clearly indicating that New Hampshire would honor both resident and non-resident permits from Virginia.

My understanding of New Hampshire law was that this had not been the case in the past and seemed to contradict what was on their own reciprocity webpage. I looked up their law (Section 159:6-d Full Faith and Credit for Licenses From Other States: Reciprocity ) and the law had not changed to honor non-resident out-of-state permits.

So, I called the New Hampshire Commissioner s office, who referred me to a lieutenant who handles reciprocity issues. He was surprised to hear what I had to say and confirmed the letter was INCORRECT. They will be sending a corrective letter to the Virginia State Police and I have notified the Virginia State Police of all of this.

Sorry for the confusion, but we had to get this right and I m now comfortable that we have done so.

Here is the New Hampshire law:

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/...59/159-6-d.htm

159:6-d Full Faith and Credit for Licenses From Other States; Reciprocity. Notwithstanding the provisions of RSA 159:6, no nonresident holding a current and valid license to carry a loaded pistol or revolver in the state in which he resides or who is a peace officer in the state in which he resides, shall be required to obtain a license to carry a loaded pistol or revolver within this state if:
I. Such nonresident carries upon his person the license held from the state in which he resides; and
II. The state in which such person is a resident provides a reciprocal privilege for residents of this state.

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Finally: Georgia now recognizes Virginia CHPs!

https://law.georgia.gov/firearm-license-reciprocity-0
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