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Old 08-07-2018, 09:16 PM
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No civil war. Moments of civil unrests, riots, maybe some opportunities to settle old scores. However, I think it will be limited in select areas and won't amount to much beyond the new media headliner. As long as the economy is booming even during periods of slow growth people will focus on their work. As long as people have more to lose and are making a decent living then that will remain their concentration. Kids...Family..bills... cars...etc; If we get into some serious economic collapse then the gloves are off. I can't even imagine the sheer hatred running a muck. The two main sides are just irreconcilable.

Putin, you are going to have to shut this thing down to get your wish. Other than that you are just wasting your time.
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Tensions seem to be mounting. If the right takes the mid-term elections, there will be violence. If the left takes the mid-term elections they will try very hard to oust Trump and that could trigger violence.

I'm a pretty peaceful guy but I have to say this. I have been pushed way to hard far too many times by far left wingers who are nothing less than completely unhinged. Pretty sure those feeling are quite widespread.

Almost 60 and never seen anything remotely like this in America.

I would not take the far left too lightly. They have a lot of matches and balaclavas. Plus dildo's are possibly flammable. Fat certainly is.
We are already in it.

It just has not gone hot yet. Soooo much divide, amongst soooo many different groups.
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No chance.

We tend to make conclusions based on our own limited experiences. But things were worse in 68-69 during the civil rights movement. And we never even got close to civil war then.

A few years ago, during Obama, I would have said that if a civil war started it would be a race war. He so divided America by race that it was hairy for awhile. But now that he's gone, race relations (while not perfect) are not nearly as bad. 29% of black Americans support Trump.

The current division is between nationalists (America First Patriots, like most of us here) and social justice globalists, and there are members of all races on both sides.

But the ONLY thing that could trigger a civil war would have to draw in rural conservatives, and that would be a sudden, national gun confiscation. And they would never do that, because... it would start a civil war and even the libs understand that. That's why their gun control is done in small steps, removing small parts of our rights at any given time.

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Is it bad I'm almost excited for one to happen? I mean... if it's the antigun left vs the progun right, itll be like shooting ducks in a barrel

For self defense purposes only. But, life is just too bland. Needs more spice
Heads up -- this is the type of thinking that will get you killed if there ever IS a civil war. They're not all stupid, and they will not go running into the bullets. They're idiots, but not suicidal idiots.

They will not fight on your terms.

They would get you when you exit your car at the parking lot, or they will follow you down the street and whack you over the head with a club, or they'll do that while you're waiting in line in McDonalds, or they will get your wife and kids in a similar way. They'll KNOW you have a CC, and you'll think you can always have eyes in the back of your head, and you can most of the time, but they will get you when you're not paying attention. They only question is when. Their strength is in being able to mobilize a large number of people in minutes, and they do this all the time. You won't even know you're being followed because everyone you see will be following you and waiting to strike. And if none of that works and they want you, they'll find out where you live and burn your house down after barricading the doors.

Unless you don't go to the city. And if you live in a rural area, they wont go to you unless you cause trouble for them. So if you don't go to the city, you're not in the fight.

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There doesn't need to be a civil war for some misguided idiot to decide you look like their enemy. If the media is to be believed, wear a MAGA hat and you're marked for violence. Walk down any city street and you may be the next victim of the knockout game.


As long as the average work a day person believes in the justice system, a civil war is not going to happen. What will happen is that LE will be stretched thinner than it already is, mostly trying to keep up with existing problems/violence.


Rather than civil war, I'm more inclined to believe that people in some areas may simply loose faith in the justice systems ability to deal with lawlessness and decide they have nothing to loose by taking matter into their own hands. Other places may keep he faith and abide. So rather than a civil war we'd see a crumbling effect.


Add the polarization of politics to the existing problems and you have the makings of a real mess. Now if politicians would take bipartisanship seriously, businesses would invest in the future of their community and the media would shut it's pie hole and quit fanning the flames of dissent, we just might get to that better place and find we have more in common than not.
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The other potential risk is competent terrorism. There have been many terrorists and murderers in the world but rarely you come across one who is competent and motivated. People like the perpetrator of the Bath School Massacre. Or like the OKC Bombing. Really the biggest risk I see is some intelligent, competent, motivated leftist creating a serious explosive and deploying it to kill.
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Most of you are underestimating the establishment which consists of politicians, businessmen, and elites from both sides. When things get close to threatening what's in their self interests, they'll open the taps just long enough to provide the masses with enough to fill their bellies. When people are satisfied and content, they'll tolerate just about anything and are a far less willing to risk losing what they have (let alone their lives) to benefit others.
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If the Democrats wish to remain relevant, they SHOULD move to the center. That's the politically smart thing to do, IMO.

However, I can't think of a single Democrat who's moderate and has the ability to rally people behind him/her. It truly is a leaderless movement. The new "face" of the democrats--Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez--is only going to send them leftward, if that's possible.

Meanwhile, media outlets like the NY Times hire and endorse openly-bigoted editors like Sarah Jeong.

That's the Democrats--making friends fast.
All you old religious people need to move on. The US needs a socially liberal fiscally conservative party. Trump has upended the republican party so it could be them. I think the democrats will actually have a harder time of it as they are addicted to free stuff for constituents.
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All you old religious people need to move on. The US needs a socially liberal fiscally conservative party. Trump has upended the republican party so it could be them. I think the democrats will actually have a harder time of it as they are addicted to free stuff for constituents.
All the young uncut G-d less heathens and Communists/Maoist/ socialist fanboys who think being fiscally conservative is being open to Taxing legalized Drugs and making Amnestied Illegals pay more taxes need to realize your not Conservative and that you are Lord of the flies Libertarians in denial of your Democrat leanings ...
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Interesting opinions.

When people resort to a civil war it will be when they are scared, hungry, and poor. They must be made to feel they have something to gain and nothing to lose. The Soros funded groups were on track pushing us in that direction during the Obama Presidency and would no doubt have doubled down if Clinton won. So in a way I believe the Trump Presidency bought us some time since he turned the economic clock back from the Globalist's agenda.

I do feel it is coming, probably when the Dems regain control of the Congress and Presidency and then try to disarm American Patriots. With all of the anti gun rhetoric and demonizing of the gun owners it is inevitable. It is also what the Globalists know has to happen before they can subjugate us. And Soros' time on earth is running out.

A Civil War II will burn itself out after a while, because of where the left's base is the cities, and the right's base is rural areas, you know where the food is grown. If the right wants to shut down agricultural products moving into the cities, it can happen very easily.

Make no mistake, the leftists wanting this war are being whipped up and funded by Soros and his globalist ilk, and when they can they will push hard for it.

The flaw in the left's thinking is they are already alienating the LEO's of this country, and who is actually joining the military? It sure isn't the pink hat or BLM people.

And I am going to say the Left has already started the civil war, there have been shootings and attacks, last year's attack on the Republican Congressman's ball team was one. I don't buy for an instant anything the press and investigators are saying about Las Vegas, those victims were exactly the type of people that the left would think are on the right.

The so called media has been taken over by the left and they spew anti right/ anti patriot propaganda constantly, if it makes the left look bad it doesn't get reported.

The left has been infiltrating the education system for the last 4 generations for the sole purpose of indoctrinating our kids.

They HAVE started the war, we are just becoming aware of it, and the right, other than having a few rallies that are attacked by leftist counter protesters (most likely funded) are still not fully aware of it, since we are still working and providing for our families. But the internet censorship, demonizing of the right by the media and left, and violence toward anyone on the right is showing me clearly where this is going.

I say fine, bring it, lets get this rodeo started. I know where the left's food comes from and the path it has to travel to get there, if you think the shelves clear out quickly when a storm comes, this storm will be massive.
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Nothing is inevitable, and nothing is impossible. Although I do think there is a non-zero chance of civil war, I think we are a long way from that.

One problem, I think, is that it is the left that wants to secede and they are too scared to do without big daddy big government to take care of them.

But we're not yet even to 1968 levels. Not far from it, but not there yet.
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...socially liberal fiscally conservative party.
That's an oxymoron...it never happens. Socially liberal ALWAYS turns into fiscally liberal at some point and it usually doesn't take long to get there.
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no chance.

We tend to make conclusions based on our own limited experiences. But things were worse in 68-69 during the civil rights movement. And we never even got close to civil war then.

A few years ago, during obama, i would have said that if a civil war started it would be a race war. He so divided america by race that it was hairy for awhile. But now that he's gone, race relations (while not perfect) are not nearly as bad. 29% of black americans support trump.

the current division is between nationalists (america first patriots, like most of us here) and social justice globalists, and there are members of all races on both sides.

But the only thing that could trigger a civil war would have to draw in rural conservatives, and that would be a sudden, national gun confiscation. And they would never do that, because... It would start a civil war and even the libs understand that. That's why their gun control is done in small steps, removing small parts of our rights at any given time.



Heads up -- this is the type of thinking that will get you killed if there ever is a civil war. They're not all stupid, and they will not go running into the bullets. They're idiots, but not suicidal idiots.

They will not fight on your terms.

They would get you when you exit your car at the parking lot, or they will follow you down the street and whack you over the head with a club, or they'll do that while you're waiting in line in mcdonalds, or they will get your wife and kids in a similar way. They'll know you have a cc, and you'll think you can always have eyes in the back of your head, and you can most of the time, but they will get you when you're not paying attention. They only question is when. Their strength is in being able to mobilize a large number of people in minutes, and they do this all the time. You won't even know you're being followed because everyone you see will be following you and waiting to strike. And if none of that works and they want you, they'll find out where you live and burn your house down after barricading the doors.

Unless you don't go to the city. And if you live in a rural area, they wont go to you unless you cause trouble for them. So if you don't go to the city, you're not in the fight.

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once it starts it will get ugly fast stereotyping will definitely come into play by both sides. Neither side is really that hard to spot just by how they dress and act , and of course there will be friendly fire incidents committed by both sides. Jmho
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most of you are underestimating the establishment which consists of politicians, businessmen, and elites from both sides. When things get close to threatening what's in their self interests, they'll open the taps just long enough to provide the masses with enough to fill their bellies. When people are satisfied and content, they'll tolerate just about anything and are a far less willing to risk losing what they have (let alone their lives) to benefit others.
people who fail to study history , never ever realize nothing last forever and change means blood whether one likes it or not. Jmho
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That's an oxymoron...it never happens. Socially liberal ALWAYS turns into fiscally liberal at some point and it usually doesn't take long to get there.
No fricken kidding (The way Lie-bertarians and Liberal Far Left Trolls try and paint themselves as He Men Conservatives or at least Alpha Male Middle of the roaders is getting creative to say the least ...
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In my opinion, blacks are starting to wake up to the fact that the liberal politicians are only tolerating them because they want their vote/support. Additionally, every-day white liberals (especially the young ones) typically care about blacks because 1) something has filled them with (temporary) white guilt, or 2) it's popular. Once either of these wear off, the democrats will act just like they did prior to the liberals changing their tactics in the late 60's to get the black vote. Many are starting to see through the games.

I say all that to communicate what others have already stated: those who are passionate about this country and preservation of the Union will be of a diverse demographic. If some type of local/regional/or country wide 'fight' were to be initiated, race will not be the best identifier of affiliation. That's what I've observed anyway.
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Doubt it gets much worse.

Leftist men all over the world are realizing the friend zone sucks butt and are re-thinking their strategy to get the nookie. Nobody wants to die before they get laid.

I get it, I too joined the drama club for a bit and even participated in a school play to get that booty. My role was the cheshire cat in Alice in Wonderland and I probably gave one of the worst performances in history.
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No fricken kidding (The way Lie-bertarians and Liberal Far Left Trolls try and paint themselves as He Men Conservatives or at least Alpha Male Middle of the roaders is getting creative to say the least ...

Why are you against individual Liberty? How do you equate those who are for individual Liberty with the socialist Left? The socialist Left is inherently against individual Liberty, they are opposite. Your posts indicate that you are an Authoritarian who uses vague labeling and false comparisons to villify anybody you disagree with. The Left does the same thing your doing. You should stop, it hurts our Cause.

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My posts are able to flesh out the lord of the flies Libertarian hypocrites who rail against Christians and conservatism and spew veiled references to how the Democrats are the better choice if only two are viable ...
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What's a "Lord of the flies libertarian"? I remember the book but not enough to understand the phrase. Libertarian s believe in individual Liberty and individual responsibility for ones actions (at least they should if they claim to be). That's not at odds with traditional conservativism. It is at odds with those who say they are conservative but then try to strip Liberty from those who have different point of views.


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Differing points of view ? ( like calling for the GOP to dump Christians and folks against legalized drugs and who would coddle NAMBLA types as just more practitioners of another alternative lifestyle and deserving of special rights & protections ...
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