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Old 11-19-2019, 08:24 PM
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Old 11-19-2019, 11:37 PM
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FWIW, my granddad had a house trailer (60s ventage) with a big family room added on down in Florida, he was a snow bird in the 60s & 70s. We stayed a few times on vacations so am familiar with the concept. It's not uncommon where I'm from to have trailers with add on rooms. I do know of one home (a resort area) that has a camper trailer in the middle. The owner started out with the camper and slowly added on over the years (and removing parts of camper walls) until the add ons engulfed the remains of the camper. Had to make a service call there years ago working for my father. It caught me off guard, the older men already knew about it.

I'm in North Texas, we do get cold in the low 20s or upper teens sometimes but usually it's short lived, the heat in summer is another deal entirely.

What is it about the Airstream that makes it such a bad choice, is it the lack of head room? I'm 6' 2' so I'm ducking a lot no matter what I use. I do need something long enough to stretch out in at night.
Lack of headroom and insulation. Furnace is going to burn through a lot of propane in 20 degree weather.

Don't get me wrong if my wife and I ever bought a trailer it would be an Airstream. They are extremely well built and actually appreciate in value.

If you insist on a trailer (especially in the Airstream price range) I would suggest you instead look into getting a race trailer built. That is a box trailer that you can customize the inside for living area and storage. Can be as fancy or bare bones as you desire. A friend of mine, who at the time worked for a major RV manufacturer, went that route instead of buying something his employer built.
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Old 11-19-2019, 11:42 PM
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I bought land up in the mountains years ago that we mostly use for camping. I keep my pop up camper on it and a connex to store dirtbikes/ATV's. A few years ago they changed the county rules to say that you can only camp 15 days a year on your property unless you pull a camping permit then you can camp 30 days a year. You also cannot keep your camper on the property when your not using it and you must pull a permit to have a connex on the property. Nobody pays attention to the new rules but eventually they will start enforcing it I assume.
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Old 11-19-2019, 11:56 PM
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I bought land up in the mountains years ago that we mostly use for camping. I keep my pop up camper on it and a connex to store dirtbikes/ATV's. A few years ago they changed the county rules to say that you can only camp 15 days a year on your property unless you pull a camping permit then you can camp 30 days a year. You also cannot keep your camper on the property when your not using it and you must pull a permit to have a connex on the property. Nobody pays attention to the new rules but eventually they will start enforcing it I assume.
Let me get this straight...you are limited as to how much you can camp ON YOUR OWN LAND?
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Old 11-20-2019, 07:42 AM
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I have lived in travel trailers a few times in the past thirty years (due to job assignments and a divorce). The challenges come during the Winter but there are ways to adapt (like a heated fresh water hose and skirting). The propane dealers are easy to deal with (they will install a large tank and refill it regularly). Condensation is a daily issue during the Winter too.

As others have said, renting an apartment or building a shed on your property probably wouldn’t be any more expensive. I just prefer the privacy of my own trailer and, in the past anyway other RVers made good neighbors (a”live and let live” attitude).

My latest trailer is an Airstream 27FB and I would not want to live in it in cold weather. Airstreams are poorly insulated and there is no room for extras like a washer-dryer either. They are a “less is more” kind of trailer, great to tow but grossly overpriced and while ours is supposed to sleep six, it’s really only set up for two people. This works for us because we use it as a place to live when we visit family out of state. When it gets too hot or too cold we hit the road...

I don’t think I’d want to leave our trailer anywhere though, I’d be concerned about homeless squatters moving in.
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Let me get this straight...you are limited as to how much you can camp ON YOUR OWN LAND?
THIS ^^^^ is what happens when the Socialists migrate into YOUR state and infest it and take it over and enforce THEIR Socialist Agenda. The Kaliforniscum has taken over Colorado, and all the Left Coast. They are now moving inland and taking over other states like Nevada, Idaho, etc.

And as long as the Patriots keep hiding and not doing anything about it, that will continue unabated.

They are even turning TEXAS blue!
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Up here quite a few people use campers as cabins on their land. Usually what ends up happening is they put a deck out front with a roof over it, then an addition on the back for storage/extra bedroom, then they put a roof over the camper to shade it in he summer and hold heat in the winter. Then the front porch gets walled in to give more room. At that point they have a cabin that is about 3 times the size of the original cabin. In some cases the original trailer gets pulled out and the ends get walled in to enclose the space. They actually can end up a pretty nice hunting or fishing cabins.

Lately most counties and townships in this area have started preventing people from skirting building codes by doing this but it still happens, just not in plain sight anymore
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Let me get this straight...you are limited as to how much you can camp ON YOUR OWN LAND?
THIS ^^^^ is what happens when the Socialists migrate into YOUR state and infest it and take it over and enforce THEIR Socialist Agenda. The Kaliforniscum has taken over Colorado, and all the Left Coast. They are now moving inland and taking over other states like Nevada, Idaho, etc.

And as long as the Patriots keep hiding and not doing anything about it, that will continue unabated.

They are even turning TEXAS blue!
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Right now, I would probably build out one these off-road insulated utility trailers

https://www.coloradotrailersinc.com/
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Be aware that they are not designed to be lived in full time. If you get 2 years out of a furnace you will be lucky.

I've seen RVs with small wood-burning stoves. I'd also have propane heaters in store. It will likely be a starting point. I'm looking at shipping containers as an option as well as yurts. I've never needed anything fancy. I don't pretend to be rich. I actually prefer small spaces and the simple life.
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I've seen RVs with small wood-burning stoves. I'd also have propane heaters in store. It will likely be a starting point. I'm looking at shipping containers as an option as well as yurts. I've never needed anything fancy. I don't pretend to be rich. I actually prefer small spaces and the simple life.
If you go with a propane heater or anything other than electric make sure it is vented. Without it being vented the moisture from combustion will condense on the cold walls and roof and will soak everything. A wood stove doesn't have those issues but has it's own risks.
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I've seen RVs with small wood-burning stoves. I'd also have propane heaters in store. It will likely be a starting point. I'm looking at shipping containers as an option as well as yurts. I've never needed anything fancy. I don't pretend to be rich. I actually prefer small spaces and the simple life.
In an RV a wood burning stove has to be so small (to keep you from overheating) that the fire box requires constant stoking.

A propane heater (Lil Buddy type?) WILL cause so much condensation that everything you own will be soaked.
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In an RV a wood burning stove has to be so small (to keep you from overheating) that the fire box requires constant stoking.

A propane heater (Lil Buddy type?) WILL cause so much condensation that everything you own will be soaked.
I guess that just leaves electric radiant, electric convective and electric heat pumps.

The key would be working out how to keep the heat inside as long as possible. Hence why so many occupants build things around trailers in colder places.

I think most authorities that restrict trailer/camper living on private land do so out of concern about sanitation. Provided there is an adjacent ablution facility that is correctly hooked up to septics or sewer, most authorities allow longer term use of trailers etc.
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Oh my.... boy did I get in trouble tonight.....

I told the wife that if she passed before me, I would sell out, buy an RV (that has a washer and dryer onboard) and travel and explore....

Her eyes were daggers!!!!

I think she would want me to live in a dirt hut until my passing.


Seriously... I could do full-timing!


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In an RV a wood burning stove has to be so small (to keep you from overheating) that the fire box requires constant stoking.

A propane heater (Lil Buddy type?) WILL cause so much condensation that everything you own will be soaked.
I don't agree with that. I used to do a fair amount of winter camping in an 8 foot camper, originally I had a stove about the size of a cinder block, It had to be stoked constantly, Then I put in a box wood stove and a fan. I had to be careful about not over firing it but once I had some coals, I'd throw on another chunk of wood then close the damper nearly up and it kept it warm-ish. The top was always hot, the floor was always ice cold.
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I don't agree with that. I used to do a fair amount of winter camping in an 8 foot camper, originally I had a stove about the size of a cinder block, It had to be stoked constantly, Then I put in a box wood stove and a fan. I had to be careful about not over firing it but once I had some coals, I'd throw on another chunk of wood then close the damper nearly up and it kept it warm-ish. The top was always hot, the floor was always ice cold.
You just proved my point.
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I guess that just leaves electric radiant, electric convective and electric heat pumps.

The key would be working out how to keep the heat inside as long as possible. Hence why so many occupants build things around trailers in colder places.

I think most authorities that restrict trailer/camper living on private land do so out of concern about sanitation. Provided there is an adjacent ablution facility that is correctly hooked up to septics or sewer, most authorities allow longer term use of trailers etc.
The built in propane furnace will work fine as long as you have access to electricity or solar to power it.
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You just proved my point.
How? once I put in a larger stove it could burn most of the night. The fact that it had almost no insulation or skirting caused the issue with the floor being cold and the roof being hot. I assume any type of heat in a camper of that size and no insulation would have the same problem unless there was a fan to push the air to the floor.
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If you go with a propane heater or anything other than electric make sure it is vented. Without it being vented the moisture from combustion will condense on the cold walls and roof and will soak everything. A wood stove doesn't have those issues but has it's own risks.
If the RV is diesel powered, then a diesel heater could be an option, since it would be simple to feed from the fuel tank directly.

Those are around $150 in eBay currently. Basically a chinese copy of russian planar, which is a copy of german webasto or eberspächer...

Simple construction, pretty simple installation. There's even self contained units that are in a steel box or look like a jerry can and have a heater built in (still need to make holes for air intake and exhaust).

https://www.ebay.com/itm/5KW-12V-Air...s/283642620145
https://www.ebay.com/itm/12V-Air-Die...-/283605508357
https://www.ebay.com/itm/5KW-24V-Air...-/283642630676
(1 vs 4 holes = you can install 4 air ducts to different places)
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