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Old 10-29-2019, 10:14 AM
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Can you provide a list of these states where they are not allowed?

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I'll google when I get a minute, I should have done that first. I'm going on memory. But I'll always advise to check each state's laws before going there with firearms. They do vary, and they can change rapidly.
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Old 11-10-2019, 11:26 PM
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I'll google when I get a minute, I should have done that first. I'm going on memory. But I'll always advise to check each state's laws before going there with firearms. They do vary, and they can change rapidly.
A good idea to look at cities within states as well. Denver aint nothin like the rest of CO. I make it a point to avoid Denver....which is rather easy considering other routes chosen.

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I would avoid Denver county CO with AK pistol however....

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I have a couple fully tuned 1892s in .357 mag
They are good out to 150 yards and even 200 yards
Reloaders have gotten great ballistics fron the 7.62 x 39
Out to 300 yards
The 7.62 x 39 has the advantage
I ave both pistols and rifles in 7.62 x 39
The .30-30 should be in the mix as well
All of them do real good
All of them are in the same zone
I have the all
I like them all
Thank God we have nothing but good choices
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bottom line, how did each do on game?
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bottom line, how did each do on game?
7.62x39mm is the clear winner in every way when it comes to feral pigs .

In simple terms : observations at time of impact, a better damage path that is more consistent, and from any angle of impact to over double the distance.
If the pig is still running after, the damage created will leave a better track to follow. Being a semi, follow up shots can be delivered in less time.( In my case)
More options available when it comes to shot placement, which is why it trumps the other in terms of stalk hunting.....especially multiple targets.

357mag in a rifle is best utilized as a close range ambush hunting tool where shot placement is easier to select, and multiple targets are not on the menu. .....as thier is a higher probability that tracking down the animal will be needed after its hit. ( Best placement = broadside shot to the upper base of neck or right below the ear. Quartering away for a boiler room hit is another, but the pig will most likely run after. I would avoid facing shots.


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I have a couple fully tuned 1892s in .357 mag
They are good out to 150 yards and even 200 yards
Reloaders have gotten great ballistics fron the 7.62 x 39
Out to 300 yards
The 7.62 x 39 has the advantage
I ave both pistols and rifles in 7.62 x 39
The .30-30 should be in the mix as well
All of them do real good
All of them are in the same zone
I have the all
I like them all
Thank God we have nothing but good choices
I already did a comparison using my Glenfield 3030 ( Marlin 336) , next to my AK rifle and SKS. ( Another using an older Winchester chambered in 32win spl. )

The short answer: Enjoy both of yours as the critters won't know the difference between either.( 3030 or 7.62x39mm) Niether has great ballistics at 300 yards. With that said, my bone stock plain Jane Wasr10 has been used to dump pigs out to and past 300 yards using cheap metal card 125gr JSP on occasion.

One request: Please share pics of these firearms.....lever guns in particular.

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Thanks, I don't own a 7.62X69. I did pop a boar at 20 yards with a 30-30 and one with my 357 rifle at the same distance. both dropped but not much to say as the distance was 20 yards and my dogs had them penned under a manzanita bush. I tend to consider 30-30 and 7.62X39 as about the same but the firearms are very different.
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The 7.62x39 is a 125ish grain pill, the 357 125-160. The 30WCF (what is called 30-30 today)is 170gr.
It is a larger pill going slower than the 7.62x39, but has way more kinetic energy dump.

We have shot deer and other critters with all three. The 30WCF shoots the flattest of the three. with the new Lever evolution rounds 200 yards is easy. With the 170gr flat nosed ranchdogs we use(designed for the 30 WCF) It will still out range the 357 mag. Not the commie round.
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Most bullets for the 357 Mag are designed for lower, pistol velocities.
I’d guess they don’t fare well at close range, higher velocities.
I’m sure the older Barnes 158gr flatnose boolets would be a better bet
in the carbines. My Browning B92 was stolen before I got to try it on deer.
The Barnes flatnose slugs worked fine for coup de gras on elk.
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Thanks, I don't own a 7.62X69. I did pop a boar at 20 yards with a 30-30 and one with my 357 rifle at the same distance. both dropped but not much to say as the distance was 20 yards and my dogs had them penned under a manzanita bush. I tend to consider 30-30 and 7.62X39 as about the same but the firearms are very different.
I would agree that 3030 and 7.62x39mm are very close in comparison.

Here is the data I accumulated with the same lab radar chrono concerning 3030 Winchester:

Rifle : Lever action Glenfield ( Marlin 336) with 20 inch bbl.

Ammo : Winchester 170gr Silvertip
Weight = 4.91 lbs per 100 rds.

Muzzle : 2200 fps with 1825 ft lbs of energy.

50 yards : 2055 fps with 1595 ft lbs of energy.

100 yards: 1920 fps and 1390 ft lbs energy

150 yards: 1785 fps / 1205 ft lbs of energy

200 yards : 1660 fps with 1040 ft lbs of energy at impact.

Note: With a 100 yard zero, this load fired from my 20in bbl rifle drops 2.6 inches at 150yds, and 8 inches at 200 yards.
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Same rifle using Hornady 160gr FTX ( Leverution) :

Note: Hornady uses a 24 inch " test" bbl to accumulate thier numbers. As mentioned before, my rifle = a 20inch bbl.

Muzzle : 2273 fps/ 1835 ft lbs
100 yds: 2030 fps/ 1460 ft lbs
200 yards : 1800 fps/ 1155 ft lbs
300 yards : 1595 fps / 880 ft lbs of energy at impact.

Note : With a 100 yard zero, this load produces the following:

-2 inches at 150yds
- 7 inches at 200 yards
-14.3 inches at 250 yards
-25 inches at 300 yards.

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In comparison : WASR 1063 ( 16in bbl) and 7.62x39mm 125gr MFS Jacketed Soft point

Muzzle : 2390 fps/ 1585 ft lbs
50 yards: 2250 fps/ 1405 ft lbs
100 yards: 2115 fps / 1240 ft lbs
150 yds: 1980 fps/ 1090 ft lbs
200 yds: 1855 fps/ 960 ft lbs
250 yds: 1740 fps/ 835 ft lbs
300 yards: 1620 fps/ 735 ft lbs of energy at impact.

Note: With a 100 yard zero this combo produces the following:

150 yards: -2 inches
200 yds: -6.3 inches
250 yards : -13 inches
300 yards : -23 inches

Note: Ammo weight = 3.75 lbs per 100 rds

Note: I would have used data obtained from a 20in bbl SKS., but have not located that data ad yet.

Note: It costs me more to reload 3030 than to buy MFS JSP 7.62x39mm. ( And yes......I factor in MY time involved to reload. )

Note: Felt recoil ( free recoil energy) is a bit more in a 3030 Lever gun vs a 7.62x39mm semiauto.

I grew up shooting and hunting with both. Feral hogs and deer vs several states as well as coyotes/ coydogs, various smaller critters, and up to Elk in several different states. ( Hogs with both by the hundreds, and culling deer out of a few states over the years.)
In short, there is no difference between them when it comes to hunting. The real difference has much more to do with the difference in rifles more than any other one factor.

The WASR 10 weighs a bit less than the 336.
The 336 has a 4 inch longer iron sight radius
WASR10 = a much shorter OAL. ( Especially if stock is folded away in this specific case)
Lever gun vs AK = personal preference.



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