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Old 06-05-2008, 01:29 PM
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Class III firearms are not illegal if you follow the National Firearms Act (NFA) and include;

Any full auto gun (FA)
This is any firearm that goes bang more then once per trigger squeeze.

Any silencer
Anything used to alter or suppress the sound from a firearm.

Any short barrel rifle (SBR)
Any rifle barrel length of less than 16 inches (and overall length of less than 26 inches).

Any short barrel shotgun (SBS)
Any shotgun with a barrel length of less then 18 inches.

Any Other Weapon (AOW)
Anything the BATF cant define. (super shorty shotgun)

Destructive devices
If you thought the AOW definition was ify good luck with this one. (street sweeper, SPAS, AP ammo, Dragons breath ammo, flechete ammo, Hornets nest rubber ball grenades, etc)

Tax stamps for all these cost $200. The one exemption is the AOW which is $5.

So your shotgun can be “chopped” down less then 18inches for $200. Same with your M4, for $200 you can get a 10 inch barrel. Or you can buy them short, it just needs to be bought through a class III dealer with the $200 tax stamp. Same for your silencer ($200). The serbu super shorty shotgun is an AOW, this is just the $5 tax stamp.

Your FA shotgun (SPAS) is defined as a destructive device. ($200).

You can not, under any circumstances permitted to make your gun FA. NO NO NO NO.
There are manufactures (builders) that can make FA weapons but they are for LEO ONLY and cannot be sold to anyone but LEO.

In order to get a FA firearm you have to buy them pre NFA ban. (So anything made/imported before the NFA ban). These firearms are considered “collectable” by most are the prices are going up daily. Any firearm made after the ban is for law enforcement use only. The glock 18’s are sweet but unless you’re a LEO then it’s a no go.

More and more people are falling into trouble with “intent”. For those that don’t understand intent is not so much your “real” intent. It’s what the ATF thinks your intent is. For example, you buy gunpowder with the intent of buying a muzzle loader to go hunting, unfortunately your sink pipe burst on the way home. So you also buy a new pipe. The ATF stops by and sees gunpowder with no muzzle loader and pipes. The ATF now feels your intent is to make pipe bombs. You will be charged, and more then likely loose an argument in court, thus making you the newest terroristic felon on the block.

Deviating from the National Firearms Act is a felony. Anything the ATF feels your thinking about can also be a felony.

Your state law can over ride the federal firearms laws so its best to check with your local class III for buying any NFA items.

(I am by no means perfect so if I missed something let me know.) Feel free to add to this thread IF you know what the hell your talking about. If you dont then its best o keep it to yourself rather then get another person in trouble or hurt. I'm sure anything that steps out of the relm of legal will get deleated by the mighty MODs (I hope) as none of us need the headache of a eye screw by the feds.
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One addition

If you build a SBR or SBE ie chop the barrel or rebarrel the upper with a shorter barrel then you are the manufacturer of said weapon and your name and your location must be engraved on the reciever. This has to happen BEFORE you build the weapon and you must be in possession of your NFA tax stamp BEFORE you assemble the weeapon also.

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Like you said, state laws are an issue as well. NY is a no-but-no state. They say "no", you say "but", they say "no".
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Be aware also, that having the parts to make something (say a short barreled upper for an AR and a lower, even if it is assembled to another upper) is viewed by the ATF as the same as if it were assembled into an SBR. You need to have your Form 1 approved and your tax stamp in hand BEFORE having the parts.
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Worth a $200 tax stamp? Hell YES!
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actually, around my town, there are a lot of legal these, and my town has 2050 people
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I remember reading an article in the NRA magazine about "destructive devices". The weapon in question was a WW I anti-tank gun that a collector owned. It was made in Sweden at the end of WW I to take care of tanks. When WW II began, it was obsolete and couldn't take out the new tanks of the time. I don't remember much about it except it was semi-auto with a side clip and came with a trenching tool so you could dig a trench to set the bipod legs in. It also had wheels so it could be pulled. It was not quite a cannon, but close.

The thing I remember was the owner dicussed that he had to have a proper storage space for the weapon so it could not be stolen. Basically to get the permit, he had to have the safe already that met the requirements to own a destructive device. So in getting the stamps, there could be other requirements as well that will come out of your pocket.

Just an FYI.

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I was told once that when you own a classIII weapon, you are subject to an ATF search of your home at anytime with no warning. This is to assure you are properly storing said weapon. Is this true? Thanks
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I was told once that when you own a classIII weapon, you are subject to an ATF search of your home at anytime with no warning. This is to assure you are properly storing said weapon. Is this true? Thanks
Yes, an example would be if you owned a suppressor, and your neighbor dies of a gunshot wound no one heard. They might want to look at your suppressor. They can come to your home and search for said suppressor without your consent.
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To bad NY is nuts
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Doc, do you have a source for this. I thought the same thing too but several members here have stated otherwise.
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What the hech is the deal with the stamps. do they really think its going to make a difference in street crimes. It kind of make one wonder there there head is...
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it didnt with the Mac 10 we recovered out of a truck at the school I was working at last year. PD said it looked converted.

Theres only one answer to your question, Corporal. Civillian Leaders, if they have any military time in them at all- it comes in the form of instant reserve service- or ROTC cources that garauntee that they never have to see the muddy end of a boot. The people that get elected to make those decisions never get their hands dirty in real work.
Don't bring up McCain, either- he was a blueblood LONG before he got in the habit of losing Skyhawks.

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what about smoke bombs? are they DD's?
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what about smoke bombs? are they DD's?
NO smokes are ok to own according to the ATF. Check with your state as they an be just as big of gun haters and law vary state to state. In my state their GTG.

Flashbangs and stingers (HG which sent out the rubber balls) are both DD.
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Doc, do you have a source for this. I thought the same thing too but several members here have stated otherwise.
Sorry for the late reply, I just saw your question. The information was take straight from the ATF. I've never know a case where it has been used but that dont mean they cant or wont.
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Yes, an example would be if you owned a suppressor, and your neighbor dies of a gunshot wound no one heard. They might want to look at your suppressor. They can come to your home and search for said suppressor without your consent.
That's why I don't go class III, not worth giving up your rights.
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