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Old 07-07-2019, 06:45 PM
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I'm thinking of getting an ak and looking at a braced draco or a c39v2 at my local gun shop. Which would you folks go for. If I went draco I'd most likely go sbr down the road. Both will do what I want from that type of firearm. The draco I can get smaller with a folding brace or stock later but with the c39v2 all I have to do is get a folding stock.
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I like full sized AKs myself but if I were you I would make myself aware of the new definition of "Pistols" now before I go with an AK pistol, the new ruling might not allow you to do what you want with them.




Anyway, do not get the C39v2, Century made AKs are garbage. Find yourself a nice WASR-10 on the used market or get an QC checked one from Atlantic Firearms, or one of Atlantic Arms (Atlantic Firearms manufacturing business) Romanian AKs.
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I'm thinking of getting an ak and looking at a braced draco or a c39v2 at my local gun shop. Which would you folks go for. If I went draco I'd most likely go sbr down the road. Both will do what I want from that type of firearm. The draco I can get smaller with a folding brace or stock later but with the c39v2 all I have to do is get a folding stock.
I have both but the pistol sees more use as of late.

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The new letter from the ATF is only for measuring the 26" OAL for adding a vertical fore grip.

Wanna not have be effected by this? DON'T ADD A VERTICAL GRIP TO YOUR AR/AK PISTOL /end

They are not taking away your ability to make AR/AK *cough SBR rifles cough* pistols
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Old 07-07-2019, 08:00 PM
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Ya I dont plan on adding a vertical forgeries just brace and maybe scope mounts.
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PSA makes good US made AKs
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I'm looking at an Arsenal AK in 7.62 X 39 with a folding stock. The folding stock lets me tuck it away for storage purposes and the heavier X39 bullet has really great penetration and is an effective manstopper. I believe that the rifle I'm looking at is an Arsenal AK 84U.

I've been playing with the idea that a good AK is probably almost an ideal urban combat rifle. While I don't consider an AK a perfect rifle, I do consider it to be something I want to test as a potential survival rifle for general use.
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Old 07-07-2019, 10:28 PM
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PSA from what I've heard is never a bad idea. As of right now I'm leaning more to the pistol with a brace for more compactness. I take it it's a tad bit lighter too but I'm guess not by much.
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most people wont really use their weapons at more than a couple hundred yards, tops, and an AK or AR pistol will still be able to reach beyond that.. saving weight is beneficial if you dont need the extra range
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Old 07-08-2019, 01:51 AM
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Ya mostly where I live its thick wood corn fields or you in town I like to think of it as sub rural than suburban pretty much right on the boarder of Wisconsin
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An AK pistol has limited practical use, plus there’s the sound/flash thing...

The OP should buy a rifle (IMO), folding stock if space is a concern. Learn to run and shoot it well.

Mind AK pistols are super fun to run, and in our State (OR), can be legally concealed loaded. However, in all practical sense, if times became where we needed to legally conceal one, we wouldn’t be out and about...so range toys. Fun, but range toys none the less.

As to being a personal defensive weapon better than a sidearm? Sure.

But there are far better options. Short barrel rifle, .300 blackout AR pistol, pistol caliber carbine etc. The SBR stamp deal is a no go for us, just the hassle (ATM), but the .300 pistols are both fun & handy. Far more practical than our AK pistols, if the need arose.
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I dont like 300 blackout for now its cost more and still very limited supply where I live. I planned on slapping a SB sob47 brace and a muzzle device to help cut the flash down like the 4 piece cncwarrior.
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I dont like 300 blackout for now its cost more and still very limited supply where I live. I planned on slapping a SB sob47 brace and a muzzle device to help cut the flash down like the 4 piece cncwarrior.
Yah, .300 is spendy (comparatively), however the practicality of it makes up for it. Mind, I don’t reload for it either (yet), but hope to shortly. So my opinion of such is skewed just a little bit. Not much tho.

However, even that mentioned, give one a try before you invest in one, if possible. Fun, as I mention, however it will give you a much better idea as towards there true practical use before spending the $$. If none of your family/friends/acquentences have one, mayhaps put a posting up at your local club/range.
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I dont like 300 blackout for now its cost more and still very limited supply where I live.
Pretty much this. 300BO is likely a better cartridge but not for the price. I've contemplated getting another AK pistol. They are really excellent for the size and the "blast" is much less than comparable-sized AR15 deal.

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Old 07-08-2019, 07:12 PM
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Ya with my choices at my lgs I think I'll grab the draco
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you'll get better performance and much, much cheaper, more available ammo with 7.62x39 than with .300BO, if one likes AKs, definitely stick to x39
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Old 07-09-2019, 06:18 AM
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An AK pistol is " practical" for the following .....

1. A concealed personal defense weapon ( PDW) I can take with me anywhere I choose to go.

2. As a home defense weapon due to how handy it is to use in closer quarters. RDS and a small light work well with this pistol.

3. As a truck gun, although it would be useless if left in truck and not on person.

Note: 7.62x39mm doesn't suffer that much velocity loss from rifle to pistol. Not even closer enough to stop cheap fmj from zipping right thru 4 OITVs at 25 meters. ( Something that those more common pistol cartridges and shotgun shells/ slugs can't do via one vest.)

Note: There is a difference in sight radius between the 2. Rifle also has a pig sticker lug if that is important. ( My WASR10 in photo above does at least.)

4. Use as a hunting tool for shorter distances. I have taken deer as well as truckloads of feral pigs with both. Critters couldn't tell the difference.

The pig in photo below taken with AK pistol and 125gr asp MFS at less than 18 cents per round. MV = 2195fps.

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That's the way I'm viewing the pistol as more of a pdw. Pretty sure the only full size aks my lgs can get are century ones
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For under $600 you can “assemble” one of the PSA KS-47 pistols with an 8.5” barrel and it will use AK mags not those goofy 7.62x39 AR ones.

I have both an upper and the lower in my cart right now still contemplating if it’s a good enough host for a suppressor or if I should stay with my plan for a 12.5” AR10...
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That's the way I'm viewing the pistol as more of a pdw. Pretty sure the only full size aks my lgs can get are century ones
The AK pistol ended up replacing shotguns, pistol caliber carbines, and full sized handguns in the " inside the house" defense.

I also carry it concealed ( inside a common looking bag) with permit while in civilian land. It replaced a Glock19 for that purpose. ( Also carry an LCP)

The AK rifle is a small package as well, but there are states / counties/ cities that don't allow rifles to be kept loaded inside vehicles. ( No problems with the AK pistol however.)

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