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Old 12-04-2019, 11:11 PM
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I was in New Orleans Post Katrina(9/15/05) and was amazed how house dogs packed up so quickly. You had Pits and Labs in the same pack.
The military put a lot of them down in the early days, because there were just not the services available to deal with that level of animal "chaos".
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I'll see a rez dog out here maybe 2-3 times a year. I shoot on sight.
No different than a coyote.
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We always take a big knife hiking in the mountains behind us, now. Feral dogs are a real problem. My daughter and I got bailed up by some a few years ago walking through the bush. I didn’t carry a knife then but we had our solid timber hiking sticks so I grabbed hers and used hers and mine to create a space the dogs couldn’t enter. She tucked in right behind me, between me and a large tree. I managed to fend the leader of the pack off by throwing a big stone at it. Got it right on the nose. They didn’t vanish into the bush, they just backed off a bit and watched us as we walked away very quickly, watching them every single second until I knew we were safe.

They weren’t interested in me. They were looking for a way to get past me to my daughter. Circling back and forth trying to look for a gap in my defences. That was when I realised I needed a big knife on each hiking trip after that.

Bought a Cold Steel Bowie Machete specifically for the purpose. It’s big enough to chop with and pointy enough to stab a dog from one side through to the other. It’s ugly, but it’s strong and takes a razor edge. And at around 600 grams, it’s not a burden to carry and gives a good amount of anxiety reduction knowing it’s there strapped to the side of my pack.
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We always take a big knife hiking in the mountains behind us, now. Feral dogs are a real problem. My daughter and I got bailed up by some a few years ago walking through the bush. I didnít carry a knife then but we had our solid timber hiking sticks so I grabbed hers and used hers and mine to create a space the dogs couldnít enter. She tucked in right behind me, between me and a large tree. I managed to fend the leader of the pack off by throwing a big stone at it. Got it right on the nose. They didnít vanish into the bush, they just backed off a bit and watched us as we walked away very quickly, watching them every single second until I knew we were safe.

They werenít interested in me. They were looking for a way to get past me to my daughter. Circling back and forth trying to look for a gap in my defences. That was when I realised I needed a big knife on each hiking trip after that.

Bought a Cold Steel Bowie Machete specifically for the purpose. Itís big enough to chop with and pointy enough to stab a dog from one side through to the other. Itís ugly, but itís strong and takes a razor edge. And at around 600 grams, itís not a burden to carry and gives a good amount of anxiety reduction knowing itís there strapped to the side of my pack.

Wow...glad this story had a good ending.
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I have had problems with packs of dogs, the most recent a few years back. I had gone for a walk in the morning, it was foggy. About 5 dogs surrounded me right outside my home. I managed to get away but I bought a big staff for my walks, and also a stun gun.

I have no problem zapping a dog (it will not die) if it is close enough to attack.

One trucker who lives in my neighborhood bought a large brown pit bull and it was always escaping while he was gone. The wife was afraid of it and would "make" people bring it back to her and tie it up. She had 1-2 people who would do this just to protect the neighborhood. I was actually quite relieved when i saw it dead at the bus stop one day. I have never seen another pit roaming like the first one did.

Many people don't realize many dog breeds are not covered if they attack.

And many people buy pet food last, not first, so any economic problem they are just going to let the dog roam free. Or they are too lazy or cheap to fix the fence.
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We always take a big knife hiking in the mountains behind us, now. Feral dogs are a real problem. My daughter and I got bailed up by some a few years ago walking through the bush. I didnít carry a knife then but we had our solid timber hiking sticks so I grabbed hers and used hers and mine to create a space the dogs couldnít enter. She tucked in right behind me, between me and a large tree. I managed to fend the leader of the pack off by throwing a big stone at it. Got it right on the nose. They didnít vanish into the bush, they just backed off a bit and watched us as we walked away very quickly, watching them every single second until I knew we were safe.

They werenít interested in me. They were looking for a way to get past me to my daughter. Circling back and forth trying to look for a gap in my defences. That was when I realised I needed a big knife on each hiking trip after that.

Bought a Cold Steel Bowie Machete specifically for the purpose. Itís big enough to chop with and pointy enough to stab a dog from one side through to the other. Itís ugly, but itís strong and takes a razor edge. And at around 600 grams, itís not a burden to carry and gives a good amount of anxiety reduction knowing itís there strapped to the side of my pack.
Why a knife and not a gun?
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Why a knife and not a gun?
Very good question.
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I'm looking forward to Prepper_Ed's answer, too, but (based on his European spelling of a couple of words) I'm willing to bet he lives in a country where gun ownership is not easy.

Speaking only for myself here, I would definitely want something besides a gun against a pack of dogs. Not all dog packs are easily scared off, and dang, I just don't have a machine gun.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, my backup of choice would be a blade. A large knife can quickly take away a dog's ability to move, especially if you target muscles, ligaments, and tendons.

The same thing goes for two-legged dogs. They can't hold a gun if the tendons in their arms are cut, nor can they run after you if the hamstrings on the back of the thigh are cut.


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Why a knife and not a gun?
It is National Park and no firearms are permitted.
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Old 12-06-2019, 04:23 AM
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While not feral dogs in the true sense of the word, here in Lake Havasu we have a rather large abundance of Coyote's. They are a constant threat to the dog population here.

Fenced and walled in yards do not insure a pets safety, because they have been known to jump over relatively high fences and walls to get to them. Especially the smaller less defensive breeds. While rare, there have even been reports of them grabbing small breed dogs while being walked on a leash, right off the sidewalks.

We have a small 15 pound Poodle mix, who is about as domesticated and spoiled as they come. He would walk right up to a Coyote and want to play. And would obviously make a tasty treat for one.

I always keep a shotgun loaded and ready by the back sliding glass door just in case. And he is NEVER left unintended in the back yard. Coyotes don't like getting too close to people. But when they're hungry, you never know.

While you should not discharge weapons within city limits, law enforcement here allows some flexibility in the discharging firearms, if it is required to save a small child, or a pet from a wild animal. Just as long as some common sense is observed. (i.e. no high powered rifles and such).

Knives would be pretty much worthless in this type of situation.
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It is National Park and no firearms are permitted.
Assuming non - US?

As firearms are now permitted in US national parks, just not in ranger stations & visitor centers. Change occurred during Obama admin, of all strange things...
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I agree with Camelfilter. My son and his wife went camping in Big Ben (Texas) a couple years ago. The Rangers told him exactly that (He called). He carried an AR-Pistol and a H&K P-30 for both predators and Illegals.
I pitty the fool that ran into him! (Army Ranger, two tours Afghanistan!)
Last Thursday I had 3 dogs come through my meadow. One "Bengi" dog, a Blue Healer, and a little white Border Collie. I surmised they couldn't take down a deer. That was all that saved them. We have some big dogs running around that act like coyotes (They may be alone, or in packs, and they will definitely take down the young deer if given a chance)
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We always take a big knife hiking in the mountains behind us, now. Feral dogs are a real problem. My daughter and I got bailed up by some a few years ago walking through the bush. I didn’t carry a knife then but we had our solid timber hiking sticks so I grabbed hers and used hers and mine to create a space the dogs couldn’t enter. She tucked in right behind me, between me and a large tree. I managed to fend the leader of the pack off by throwing a big stone at it. Got it right on the nose. They didn’t vanish into the bush, they just backed off a bit and watched us as we walked away very quickly, watching them every single second until I knew we were safe.

They weren’t interested in me. They were looking for a way to get past me to my daughter. Circling back and forth trying to look for a gap in my defences. That was when I realised I needed a big knife on each hiking trip after that.

Bought a Cold Steel Bowie Machete specifically for the purpose. It’s big enough to chop with and pointy enough to stab a dog from one side through to the other. It’s ugly, but it’s strong and takes a razor edge. And at around 600 grams, it’s not a burden to carry and gives a good amount of anxiety reduction knowing it’s there strapped to the side of my pack.
I’d carry a gun and maybe pepper spray for dogs. Of course I carry a knife also.
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Iíd carry a gun and maybe pepper spray for dogs. Of course I carry a knife also.
Australia mate. Canít carry guns for self defence, only hunting. Cops saw the machete on the side of my pack when they drove past me while I was on a training walk through the Ďburbs and asked what it was for, as we canít carry large knives without a valid reason.

I told them it was for feral dogs that run among the mountains. They said ďyep, ok, just donít take it out in public otherwise someone will phone us and weíll have to do paperwork.Ē and drove off.
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I’d carry a gun and maybe pepper spray for dogs. Of course I carry a knife also.
Australia mate. Can’t carry guns for self defence, only hunting. Cops saw the machete on the side of my pack when they drove past me while I was on a training walk through the ‘burbs and asked what it was for, as we can’t carry large knives without a valid reason.

I told them it was for feral dogs that run among the mountains. They said “yep, ok, just don’t take it out in public otherwise someone will phone us and we’ll have to do paperwork.” and drove off.
You didn’t tell them” that’s not a knife ...”.

Sorry couldn’t resist.
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During WW2, the wolf population in Poland exploded because abundant corpses provided a convenient food supply. Not as well documented, but I've heard the same thing about the tiger population in Vietnam during the war there. If true, that should please the animal rights people.
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I had a problem when we lived south of San Antonio a few years back. We lived in a neighborhood where everyone owned a few acres (2-20). One guy in particular had a collection of mutts (7-8) and just left them outside. No fence, no chains, nothing. At night the would go roaming. One evening they cornered the old lady behind us. The only thing that saved her was actually her neighbor's GSD, which jumped their fence and came to her rescue. My son had 4H rabbits in a nice hutch we built. It was about 3.5 feet off the ground to protect from snakes and smaller stuff. Never knew about the dogs when we built it. It started with the dogs coming around in the evenings and eventually they started attacking the hutch. One rabbit died of fright I guess. One lost a leg and had to be killed. One was pulled out of the hutch after they ripped through the chicken wire. Somewhere along the line I started shooting them. Ended up thinning that pack by about 7. One the first time, one the second. Two the next. My wife got one late one evening when three or four of them were sort of circling and growling at my son (13 yo). The HOA sent me a letter telling me to cease and desist shooting on my property. I sent them back a note from my lawyer highlighting the state law allowing me to protect my animals, my property and our family. Then the next month I got myself voted in as the new President of the HOA and started sending notices to all residents to fence their property or control their animals. We put an animal control specialist on retainer and published the fact that he would be called to deal with any stray dogs. Packs happen and then need to be dealt with.

Right now in southern Oklahoma two or three of my neighbors let their dogs roam. They are really sweet (one is really old and can't get around too fast). The other (a big GSD) was attacked pretty badly by coyotes a couple of years ago. I've tried to be nice and tell them to keep their dogs put up. I've put them on a leash and returned them. Nothing is helping. We run them off with gunshots in the ground. They stay away some. I've chased one across the pasture with my car. Not to hit him, just to run him off. I have the feeling that one of these nights I'll have to deal with one of them. Not looking forward to it.
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Australia mate. Canít carry guns for self defence, only hunting. Cops saw the machete on the side of my pack when they drove past me while I was on a training walk through the Ďburbs and asked what it was for, as we canít carry large knives without a valid reason.

I told them it was for feral dogs that run among the mountains. They said ďyep, ok, just donít take it out in public otherwise someone will phone us and weíll have to do paperwork.Ē and drove off.
If I were you, I think I would be "hunting" every time I went for a hike in the mountains.
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it's not just ferals
teenager attacked last Friday

https://kfor.com/2019/12/16/family-m...illed-by-dogs/
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This is NOT an end-all solution for dog attacks:


But, I carried one in my coat pocket when I walked several city blocks to work. Whenever I saw a dog nearby, even some on a leash, I would press the button in my pocket. It made them uncomfortable enough to move on if done right away. Once they build up the courage and start feeding off of each other's bravado it won't do much.
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