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Old 06-03-2019, 08:12 AM
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Iím looking to build a rifle for long range shooting.
1st question what caliber would you recommend?
2nd question bolt action vs semi auto?
3rd if bolt action what manufacture would you recommend? I was looking at the Remington 700.
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Old 06-03-2019, 08:28 AM
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Define 'long range'.

200yds.? 500yds.? 1000yds.?
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Depends on what you call long range. You will want a caliber with high BC bullets. The 6.5mm or .264” have a huge selection of high BC bullets to choose from. To get the most out of your rig you are going to want to reload, and reload for long range which is different than mass production reloading.

I prefer a bolt gun for long range, semi auto for close in work, but that is me.

The older Remmy 700’s were pretty good but their QC has gone down. I shoot a lot of guns and the Savage 12 or 112 actions get my vote. Not only are they very accurate, but they employ a barrel nut that allows you to swap barrels very easily and they have floating bolt heads that can be replaced to a larger one in just a few minutes. In other words your 6.5 Creedmoor could be a .338 Lapua Magnum in about 30 minutes.

Just my thoughts....,
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How much do you have to spend? A good scope costs a lot. +1 for 7mm or 6.5mm, I like the 7mm Remington Mag. What ever you get it will shoot better if you load for it.

An older 700 Rem is fine.
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I’m looking at 500 yards plus. I’m looking for a rifle
With a good aftermarket for parts.
I was looking at 308, 300 win mag but open to other calibers.
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How much do you have to spend? A good scope costs a lot. +1 for 7mm or 6.5mm, I like the 7mm Remington Mag. What ever you get it will shoot better if you load for it.

An older 700 Rem is fine.
Ditto on the 7mm Remington Mag. I used a 300 Win Mag for several years but prefer the 7mm Remington Mag and a Remington 700.
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IMO, Long Range doesn't start until you hit 600-yards. But that is just me.

Question to the OP: what is the max range for where you can shoot?

Nothing wrong with the .308. Plenty of dope loads out there and I have seen folks hit steel at 1200-yards with hot reloads. Plus, the round us use-able for most hunting applications for small to mid-size game and will give you some good barrel life if you do your part on the cleaning and not making your reloads too hot. Bolt vs Semi-Auto, I prefer bolts.

Remingtons are good but don't discount the Savage, as others have already said. With Savage you can get a lot for your money in the $500-750 range, not including scope, rings, base, etc.

A couple of things you should be considering:
1. Consider a pillar bed (or ideally an aluminum bedded stock).
2. Make sure you have an ADJUSTABLE trigger.
3. Use a single peice scope base (not those 2 peice front/rear scope base combos).
4. Consider a 20-MOA Cant scope base.
5. Prefer STEEL Scope Rings, that you should have lapped.
6. For Optics, from an entry level perspective, I would opt for a 10x or 12x fixed (I like SWFA SS Single Power scopes in Mil/Mil MQ Reticle that you can get between $250-400, watch for sales). Otherwise look into a decent 3-15x (this will run you between $500-$750 on the low side).
7. Consider a single-stage reloading press otherwise look for sales on premium ammo.
8. Consider a bull-barrel long enough to burn most of the powder (for a .308 this puts you in the 24-26 inch range).
9. Practice...practice....practice some more.
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The ranges out here some go to 1000 yards.
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build an AR-10 DMR with a 24" barrel in 6.5 creedmor
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I’m looking to build a rifle for long range shooting. (less expensive to buy than build)
1st question what caliber would you recommend? (what do you want to use this rifle for?)
2nd question bolt action vs semi auto? (bolt is easier to get into and less expensive for a decent rifle)
3rd if bolt action what manufacture would you recommend? I was looking at the Remington 700. (nothing wrong with a 700, Ruger and Savage also has some nice options for the money)
See above

A few more questions

What is your budget for the rifle and what is your budget for the optics?
What is the farthest distance that you can practice on a regular basis?
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Iím looking at 500 yards plus. Iím looking for a rifle
With a good aftermarket for parts.
I was looking at 308, 300 win mag but open to other calibers.
What is your target?

What kind of accuracy? MOA?

Flat shooting?


A lot of guns will reach 500yds but it doesn't take magnums to kill paper

Just curious as to what your looking for, not picking on your choices
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What is your target?

What kind of accuracy? MOA?

Flat shooting?


A lot of guns will reach 500yds but it doesn't take magnums to kill paper

Just curious as to what your looking for, not picking on your choices
Mainly range gun. But possibly take it out hog hunting.
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Here are options that are not Remington.

https://www.ruger.com/products/preci...ets/18081.html

https://www.ruger.com/products/preci...ets/18029.html

https://www.ruger.com/products/preci...ets/18080.html

https://www.ruger.com/products/preci...ets/18028.html

https://savagearms.com/content?p=fir...ube=off&fsamt=
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Mainly range gun. But possibly take it out hog hunting.
I would suggest any of the following: 243, 257 Roberts, 25-06, 260, 6.5 Creedmore, 270, 7mm-08, 280

All of those will give you better than 500yd range without beating you to death, they will give you more range time and the likelihood of developing flinch is a lot less

The 25-06 and the 270 have the best MPBR without stepping into magnum cartridges

The 6.5 Creedmore has better wind deflection characteristics but only by a small fraction, drop is negligible from the above 2 cartridges

I'd choose a bolt if you want superb accuracy, it's hard to beat a 700 rifle as everyone carries accessories for it, even the unique ones

I love the Winchester and Ruger 77 Mark II actions because of the 3 position safety

One thing I would do is have a competent gunsmith adjust the trigger to 3-3.5lbs., this will give you both a good range trigger and hunting trigger. When hunting, too light really sucks when its cold and your wearing gloves

You can increase your accuracy by learning how to reload

The scope is what you want to put some money into, some people say you should spend as much on the scope as you do on the rifle, I can't argue this

You will get what you pay for in a scope, you certainly won't get what you don't pay for....

I like Leupold but there are other good ones out there like Burris, Nikon, Vortex and Redfield as far as good budget scopes. There are others but the price can really go way up!

FWIW and YMMV
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How often are you willing to replace the barrel?
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Long-ish range ?



200 yrds -- CCI ammo -- almost no wind -- bench rest ( of course - LOL )



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Anyone have experience with a Remington 700 police 26inch in 308? Price is $500 with Houge stock
Would this be a good rifle to build for long range shooting?
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Anyone have experience with a Remington 700 police 26inch in 308? Price is $500 with Houge stock
Would this be a good rifle to build for long range shooting?
Most likely!

Except you'd likely not want to hunt with it. Long, heavy rifles become a PITA when hunting. If your in a blind, they're really cumbersome getting them in and out of the windows

The 700 is a great rifle and the 308 is a renowned cartridge for target shooting

The only thing to watch out would be the barrel and whatever life it's had and what is left
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I hate to "me too" it, but a 6.5CM would be hard to argue with for a turn-key solution.
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I hate to "me too" it, but a 6.5CM would be hard to argue with for a turn-key solution.





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