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Old 01-02-2020, 11:21 AM
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I agree. Double don’t if you’re flying to New York State.
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Yup, CA has no reciprocity with any other state for carry.

So honestly not worth it to fly one in, IMO.

It’s a hassle even taking them there, or even thru there, even if driving. Lock box, empty chamber, mag out, not charged & seperate. Reduced capacity magazine firearms only.

Can’t even open carry.

So we haven’t gone in many years, and currently live around 15 miles N of the Ca border.
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Immediate response self-defense outside your hotel room may be off the table, but there are plenty of other scenarios when access to a weapon (even delayed by 30 secs) would be much preferred to "you won't need it- leave it at home".
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Immediate response self-defense outside your hotel room may be off the table, but there are plenty of other scenarios when access to a weapon (even delayed by 30 secs) would be much preferred to "you won't need it- leave it at home".
30 second? Hmmmm.
You are going to exit your vehicle.... retrieve your gun which is locked in the truck of your rental car... get ammo from glove box....load gun.... then use it to defend yourself.... in 30 seconds?
Then after you use it.... go to jail.... wait to bond out....hire expensive lawyer.... lose firearm.... jail time.... all .

OP....tell your wife...no
If she is afraid of Calif.... quit job and stay home
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30 second? Hmmmm.
You are going to exit your vehicle.... retrieve your gun which is locked in the truck of your rental car... get ammo from glove box....load gun.... then use it to defend yourself.... in 30 seconds?
Then after you use it.... go to jail.... wait to bond out....hire expensive lawyer.... lose firearm.... jail time.... all .

OP....tell your wife...no
If she is afraid of Calif.... quit job and stay home
I could be wrong but I think he was referring more to having it for after an emergency. For example, being stuck in CA after a major Earthquake or event.
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It’s unfortunate that she even has to go there at all. Best advice is to leave the gun and get back out if there as quickly as possible. She can’t carry it. Even if she had a permit I wouldn’t trust the Kalifornia system to support her at all if she had to use it. In Kalifornia you’re safer giving a perpetrator everything you’ve got up to and including the clothes off your back in the off chance that they’ll leave you alone after that, than you are to legally carry and shoot them in defense. The system there will find a way to nail you.
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30 second? Hmmmm.
You are going to exit your vehicle.... retrieve your gun which is locked in the truck of your rental car... get ammo from glove box....load gun.... then use it to defend yourself.... in 30 seconds?
Did you read my post? I guess not...

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Immediate response self-defense outside your hotel room may be off the table,
I would prefer to have access to a weapon in case a situation occurs- natural disaster, man made disaster, civil unrest, car broke down in boonies, etc. than wishing I had brought one. Its really not that hard to follow CA rules for just having the gun available.
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I posted earlier that I haven't taken a pistol but have only had to go a few times. Some things in general I do to reduce risk when traveling are:

Stay in nicer motels in better areas.
Don't stay in a motel with outside doors.
Don't stay on first or second floor.
Don't get a room next to a stairwell.
Situational awareness and know where you are going.
Avoid drinking/nightlife (I buy a bottle and have a nightcap in the room if I want a drink).
Take everything out of wallet you don't need (less to deal with if stolen).
Put wallet in a front pocket or a cross the body purse strap.
Avoid parking garages.
Don't dress like a tourist and minimize jewelry and watches.
Stay in public places with good lighting.
Travel with a group.
Use the safe in the motel room.
Let people know where you are going.
Ask advice of where to go, stay, not go, things to see, etc. from the people you are meeting.
Trust your gut feelings.

Other options are: pepper-spray or wasp-spray and door jam
I agree with most of these but for me, I always try to get a room on the second floor. It strikes a balance between security and allowing a greater possibility of self-evacuation in the event of a fire or emergency.

Stay away from wasp spray. It is designed from pyrethins which are generally not effective against humans. There are many videos debunking the use of wasp spray for self-defense, but Sabre did a good one.


Wasp spray MAY work but it is designed to kill bugs. And there are laws specifically about using such things on people. Granted you may not care in a self-defense situation, and neither would I if it were the best option.

And last, as others have said, I would leave the gun at home. Unless she is planning on carrying loaded and concealed in violation of the law, then she will not have easy access to it.
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I'm flying to Florida at the end of this month and will be bringing 2 pistols.
My LCP and either my Glock 19 or Sig P365 with spare mags.

I bought a Pelican Vault Pistol Case will cut out foam in the next week or so.
I plan to bring 2 boxes of ammo, the majority of which will be 9mm.


I'd say yes - your wife should bring her pistol with her. She can defend herself in her hotel room.

Better to have and not need than need and not have.



Pretty sure that CA FFL dealers are not able to deliver a rifle or shotgun to a non-CA resident. They have to ship it to the customer's home state FFL.

She wont be able to go to a gun shop and buy a shotgun or rifle as they can't deliver it to her. Why is that important? Earthquake, Civil Unrest, SHTF she will be unarmed.

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I'm flying to Florida at the end of this month and will be bringing 2 pistols.
My LCP and either my Glock 19 or Sig P365 with spare mags.

I bought a Pelican Vault Pistol Case will cut out foam in the next week or so.
I plan to bring 2 boxes of ammo, the majority of which will be 9mm.


I'd say yes - your wife should bring her pistol with her. She can defend herself in her hotel room.

Better to have and not need than need and not have.



Pretty sure that CA FFL dealers are not able to deliver a rifle or shotgun to a non-CA resident. They have to ship it to the customer's home state FFL.

She wont be able to go to a gun shop and buy a shotgun or rifle as they can't deliver it to her. Why is that important? Earthquake, Civil Unrest, SHTF she will be unarmed.

Some more reading here:
https://www.ar15.com/forums/Hometown...-CA/11-637919/
Just leave any mags that could possibly hold over 10 rds at home. My CA guns are usually revolvers so there is no question.
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All of the above ref People's Republic of Kalifornia and its gun laws. Further, I don't know if it has changed,but when you place a notification on luggage that there is a firearrm in it, if often does not arrive in the luggage. Some thug loading the baggage will rip it off in a New York second. The notice is just a "steal me, please" invitation. I would not take the chance. That is one reason I no longer fly. Especially to Commiefornia, I would not be caught dead in that sh**hole.
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All of the above ref People's Republic of Kalifornia and its gun laws. Further, I don't know if it has changed,but when you place a notification on luggage that there is a firearrm in it, if often does not arrive in the luggage. Some thug loading the baggage will rip it off in a New York second. The notice is just a "steal me, please" invitation. I would not take the chance. That is one reason I no longer fly. Especially to Commiefornia, I would not be caught dead in that sh**hole.

Yeah- its changed. Weapons bags are not marked differently. I fly with weapons many times per year for the past 15 years and have never had an issue with things "missing".

Many people are looking to justify their inability to travel via aircraft, so what ever floats your boat is fine.
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So OP....what is her plan?
Does she still plan to carry it with her?
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I could be wrong but I think he was referring more to having it for after an emergency. For example, being stuck in CA after a major Earthquake or event.
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So OP....what is her plan?
Does she still plan to carry it with her?
I don't know. The only pistol we have that is 10 rounds or less is or buckmark .22lr or karh cw9 which has too much recoil for her. I'm not sure the .22 is worth the possible headache

Looks like she cannot take her mid size 16 round 9mm?
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I've found this site quite useful:

https://www.handgunlaw.us

Click on the state and it provides their laws - not always verbatim, but up to date.

As others said above, legally bringing your wife's pistol to CA is not problematic. Follow airline instructions, which are not onerous, and you won't have any trouble.

The problem is after you arrive. If you don't have a valid permit to carry a concealed firearm in CA, your wife is breaking the law if she carries it. If she doesn't carry it where it's immediately accessible, it really doesn't do her any good - so why bring it?

While "better to be judged by twelve than carried by six" is a decent rationale, as noted above, she may be alive but facing ruinous legal bills, time in jail, loss of job, etc. as well.

There are behaviors she can follow (go out in groups, only during the day, avoid crowds, etc.) to maintain fundamental safety, and if she's more concerned than that, simply don't go to California.

Many out-of-state people choose not to. As said above, it's a messed up state for self defense.
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...Looks like she cannot take her mid size 16 round 9mm?
Nope.

Not worth the legal risk, IMO.

May bring it if she has reduced capacity California compliant magazines for it.

I believe, but certainly could be mistaken.


Overall, not worth the hassle. One of the reasons we haven't been south for so long. I do understand your & her reasoning with wanting to have “something” tho.

Be very mindful of the requirement to keep ammunition separate from the locked boxed firearm in transit. Particularly for the return trip home. Some airlines may require the ammunition be in the lock box (dunno honestly), but that rite there may get her in a catch 22.

Mayhaps gift any extra ammunition to a coworker prior to the return trip, if such a requirement is true?

Or 2 lockboxes?

Also be mindful to have printouts of TSA & Airline regs, arrive several hours prior to whatever she normally would. To avoid stress, confusion of a minimum wage counter person.
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Nope.

Not worth the legal risk, IMO.

May bring it if she has reduced capacity California compliant magazines for it.

I believe, but certainly could be mistaken.


Overall, not worth the hassle. One of the reasons we haven't been south for so long. I do understand your & her reasoning with wanting to have “something” tho.

Be very mindful of the requirement to keep ammunition separate from the locked boxed firearm in transit. Particularly for the return trip home. Some airlines may require the ammunition be in the lock box (dunno honestly), but that rite there may get her in a catch 22.

Mayhaps gift any extra ammunition to a coworker prior to the return trip, if such a requirement is true?

Or 2 lockboxes?

Also be mindful to have printouts of TSA & Airline regs, arrive several hours prior to whatever she normally would. To avoid stress, confusion of a minimum wage counter person.
Airlines require ammo be in the original cardboard or plastic box.
Handgun, unloaded magazines, and box of ammo go in the locking box for flying.

The locked pistol box goes into the checked luggage once it's inspected by TSA at the front desk (not the security line).

Each airline has specifics of what is required.



https://www.allegiantair.com/restricted-articles

https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly...equipment.html

Sounds like a good reason to buy her a DA/SA 357 mag revolver. Have her shoot 38spl.
Far faster to load a revolver than mags for a semi-auto.
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