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Old 01-12-2020, 03:55 AM
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Has anyone spent the time to find a minimum number of grinders that a person would need to handle about any task? Grinding coffee, wheat berries, dried nuts, spices, fresh vegetables, fruit (not sure if that is considered grinding or not), dried corn, etc.
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Just remember that grinding beans needs a very different kind of grinder.
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I consider these three and a heavy duty food mill not pictured as a base level prep for manual food grinding/maceration. The Porkert 'poppy' seed grinder handles smaller seeds - poppy, flax, etc. and I have re-ground crushed parched corn (pinole) but it's pretty hard on the Porkert. https://www.survivalistboards.com/sh...42&postcount=4

The old Universal Food Chopper, mines a #2, has been used in many kitchens since Landers, Frary & Clark started producing them in 1897. It works fairly well for vegetable relishes and grinding small amounts of semi-frozen meat.

I still "intend to pickup one of the big cast #32s backed up with a stainless #22.": https://www.survivalistboards.com/sh...26&postcount=1

I don't store or intend to process wheat but at some point I may still pickup one of the more expensive manual/electric grinders.
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A meat grinder, a flour mill and apple grinder covers 100% of my needs.
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Everybody is going to have a different answer as to how many grinders/mills they need. What you want to grind, and how much you do that, influences whether you buy more specialized mills and the quality of that mill. There is some overlap in what you can process through different mills, a meat grinder or flour mill will grind coffee. However, a coffee mill does a much more consistent job with no chance of flavor contamination.

I have several mills that I use regularly but for the most part they do primarily one thing, they do it quickly, and they do it well. A meat grinder for meat, a Grainmaker mill for wet or dry grains and legumes, a roller mill for oat meal style cereal, a coffee mill for coffee beans, a spice mill for small spices, a tomato/vegetable mill for separating the juice from the pulp, and a food processor for chopping and dicing. I also have access to a fruit grinder for making apple cider.

I don’t make syrup so I don’t have a sorghum mill. Thats basically a roller mill but very different than a small cereal roller mill.
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Don't forget the mill that few have, but preppers should own.

An oil press mill for grinding and separating nut oil.

Of course that means having a nut tree as well, which you should have planted your first week of becoming a prepper.
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I bought one of these wheat grinders back when I got the prepping bug.

https://www.amazon.com/Blendtec-52-6...qid=1578929643

It says it will also grind beans. Seems to use a different process than normal wheat grinders.

Sorry to say I've not tried it out yet.

"A Healthier Way to Mill: burst grains, dried beans, and other legumes into fresh, nutritious flour. Instead of grinding, the Blendtec Kitchen Mill uses a rotor and stator to burst wheat and legumes, keeping the nutritional value of the natural kernels intact.
Fast Operation: produces up to 24 cups of natural, whole-grain flour in under eight minutes.
Advanced, Durable Design: the patented, Stainless Steel, micronetic milling chamber never gums, jams, or glazes.
Powerful Motor: The 1.8 Horsepower, 1000-Watt motor will not overheat and is permanently lubricated."



More recently I bought a grinder to grind herbs for a sinus tea I was thinking of selling.
Massive 50 lb motor, spinning a little cutting blade that simply jammed on the woody dried root and bark herbs.
All Stainless steel industrial grade stuff.
Needed hearing protection for a minute, then smoke started coming out of it. Returned it for a refund.
Weird design. I have no idea what it would be useful for. It did an OK job grinding cinnamon bark, but anything else made it bind up. The top threads on with a fine thread that gunks up with powder making threading it on again ver difficult.
They have another desig varaint that just uses clamps for the lid, which should be way better. But the thing simply is useless grinding anything the slightest bit woody. And it puts so much power into the stuff being ground, it gets heated, losing some of the aromatic elements.

https://www.amazon.com/Mophorn-Grind...930045&sr=8-50

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Just remember that grinding beans needs a very different kind of grinder.
I can grind beans in my Country Living Mill, if I pull the shaft and install the auger. Messy to clean, but I’m not sure any bean grinder would be a whole lot better. Can also grind sesame seeds for oil extraction. Never tried a super course grind like for getting oil from soybeans- actually never ground soy beans at all.. IDK know about coffee. Not a grinder, but I need a roller mill for oat groats- I don’t have a spare, but it looks like I could make one if need be. I have a nut grinder in the kitchen, but that’s hardly essential.

So that a minimum of three for me- hammer mill for animal feed, CLGM for grains and beans, and roller mill for oats.

Maybe add a mortar and pestle? Peppercorn grinder? And you need a sifter.
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I bought one of these wheat grinders back when I got the prepping bug.

https://www.amazon.com/Blendtec-52-6...qid=1578929643

It says it will also grind beans. Seems to use a different process than normal wheat grinders.

Sorry to say I've not tried it out yet.

"A Healthier Way to Mill: burst grains, dried beans, and other legumes into fresh, nutritious flour. Instead of grinding, the Blendtec Kitchen Mill uses a rotor and stator to burst wheat and legumes, keeping the nutritional value of the natural kernels intact.
Fast Operation: produces up to 24 cups of natural, whole-grain flour in under eight minutes.
Advanced, Durable Design: the patented, Stainless Steel, micronetic milling chamber never gums, jams, or glazes.
Powerful Motor: The 1.8 Horsepower, 1000-Watt motor will not overheat and is permanently lubricated."



More recently I bought a grinder to grind herbs for a sinus tea I was thinking of selling.
Massive 50 lb motor, spinning a little cutting blade that simply jammed on the woody dried root and bark herbs.
All Stainless steel industrial grade stuff.
Needed hearing protection for a minute, then smoke started coming out of it. Returned it for a refund.
Weird design. I have no idea what it would be useful for. It did an OK job grinding cinnamon bark, but anything else made it bind up. he top threads on with a fine thread that gunks up with powder making threading it on again ver difficult.
They have another desig varaint that just uses clamps for the lid, which should be way better. But the thing simply is useless grinding anything the slightest bit woody. And it puts so much power into the stuff being ground, it gets heated, losing some of the aromatic elements.

https://www.amazon.com/Mophorn-Grind...930045&sr=8-50

Both of those grinders are long on jargon and short in information, and really show the ignorance ( or deceitful ness) of the marketing staff. “The 1.8 Horsepower, 1000-Watt..” motor is impossible. Rotor and stator technology can describe grist mills that were in operation before Christ. Also describes my CLGM
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Masa grinder is all i use

https://www.wayfair.com/kitchen-tabl...-bcto1008.html
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I can grind beans....
The point I was making is that you use different grinding wheels. Beans are brutal on steel grinders. Stone wheels are made for harder substances than grains.
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Both of those grinders are long on jargon and short in information, and really show the ignorance ( or deceitful ness) of the marketing staff. “The 1.8 Horsepower, 1000-Watt..” motor is impossible. Rotor and stator technology can describe grist mills that were in operation before Christ. Also describes my CLGM

When I bought it, the price was much lower. Maybe $150.
I see one that was used a couple times for $125 on ebay.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Blendtec-Ki...IAAOSwhQpd9QwZ


Agreed, they can't convert energy units. 1.8 * 745.7 does not equal 1000 watts.

1000 watts I would tend to believe, so (1 kwatts electrical)/.7457 * maybe .85 motor efficiency = around 1.1 HP (shaft)

I kind of doubt this technology was around before Christ, but not really relevant. As long as it grinds wheat, that's all I care about.


That all steel thing was just crazy. Massive motor, little blade, high quality materials, but the design had no chance of working as intended.
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I made a decision years ago that I wasn't going to store and grind wheat berries, but instead would spend the money on other preps.

Grinding wheat manually sucks, and I have better uses for my energy in a bad situation. I have a VERY useful Metate', an inherited meat grinder with several blades, and some odds and ends of cheap-or-free size reduction devices. All these electric grinders? Don't think that's the ticket, for obvious reasons.

My flour is stored in pasta and a few other forms, which if stored correctly and in climate control will last 20 years.

My beans will be masicated after cooking, (for Tex-Mex. In my freezer, I have 95% stored fats, but a little room is set aside for corn meal, flour, and masa products. All items for which the clock begins ticking at "burn-out". I have some Honeyville flour in cans, but not a lot.

I know a lot of preppers kind of make a hobby of maintaining the same lifestyle, but I'm just interested in keeping the fam "well".

Sorry for the threadjack, but noobs feel a lot of pressure to do the "right" thing and keep up. Just saying there is more than one way to skin a cat. (DO NOT eat the cat, they are useful)
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The point I was making is that you use different grinding wheels. Beans are brutal on steel grinders. Stone wheels are made for harder substances than grains.
The CLGM burrs are really hard- but I would have thought the opposite- the oil content in beans (particularly soy beans) would clog stone burrs.

Never took a hard look at stone burns- when I went to buy a mill, the CLGM or diamont were the only options I considered. I demo’d a stone mill at Lehman’s, that’s about it.

It does corn like a charm- I run it off my bandsaw every 2 months or so to make cornmeal- it needs the so called “bean” auger to do it.
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What is the purpose of grinding beans?
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What is the purpose of grinding beans?
Some people use bean flour to make bread. (no gluten).

Tastes horrible IMHO
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Why would you want a electric powered grinder?
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Why would you want a electric powered grinder?
Not set on an electric grinder. I am seeking to learn about all grinders. I would accept a manually powered grinder if the lever or wheel provided enough leverage so that using it would not put me in pain.
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Why would you want a electric powered grinder?
Because I don't want to turn a crank for an hour to make a loaf of bread.
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Because I don't want to turn a crank for an hour to make a loaf of bread.
I realize you were being pithy there, but people should realize that cutting down on food labor is important.

Think of the 1800's and how much effort was spent by a young family just to eat every day. The man farmed from sunup to sundown, while the wife was fully occupied with child rearing, home maintenance, and meal preparation. Kids were not to bear the legacy later, but to get active hands immediately.

Being freed from this massive life effort just for food allowed the trades and industry to blossom in the Industrial Revolution and eventually freed women to pursue careers after WW2. Reduction in domestic meal effort played a huge role in the genesis of the Women's Lib movement.

Calories spent obtaining food and making meals will be a huge factor after SHTF. It's why we scoff at fools thinking they will load up a pack and go live in the boonies as a bugout plan. It could burn more calories getting food on the plate than from what the plate gives back.

Any way we can reduce effort to get meals done is worth checking out.

Most offgrid power pursuits seem to focus on lighting, pumping water, power tool use, and limited electronics, but power to ease food preparation should factor large in emergency power efforts.
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