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Liberty Dies to Applause

It only took them 26 days to decide that 268,000 people, gun owners, should be punished for the acts of an Australian Left Wing Terrorist.



From Fox:

A bill outlawing most automatic and semi-automatic weapons and banning components that modify existing weapons was passed by a vote of 119 to 1 in the House of Representatives after an accelerated process of debate and public submission.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/new-ze...omatic-weapons

What to do now - RESIST???

The New Zealand Gun Owners have a big choice to make, OBEY the advocates of Tyranny or Resist, by simple non-compliance. In the past, most of the Common Wealth types have been conditioned to simply Obey, afterall, they voted, its a democracy, etc., etc.

Will it be different this time. Just like the propaganda machine spin of folks voluntarily turning in their weapons, even before a ban, I expect the government and the media to simply lie about compliance and resistance to these new rules/laws.

Look at the French,with their Yellow Vest Movement, over Gas Prices and a Rejection of Socialism. Will New Zealanders do the same or just roll over.



Voting is not the Cure

Many have stated that they will hold the politicians accountable in the next elections. With a vote of 119 to 1 in favor of a gun ban, that is highly unlikely to succeed.

The other thing to consider is that New Zealand is highly undemocratic in that you vote for a candidate and for the party list. The Green Party, can't win a single seat, yet gets 8 members in the Parliament because of the Party List Vote. This is how they got stuck with this crazy woman and her minority Labour government, as the "list" members of Parliament formed a coalition to make her Prime Minister, rather than support the party that has the most seats in Parliament.

A Right Denied is Still a Right

Members of Parliament and the Government have stated that in New Zealand, gun ownership is a Privilege and not a Right. So the politicians can give and take as they please. Today they all agreed to take some and later, they may agree to take all.

The problem, is last time I looked, the People of New Zealand are (mostly) Human and therefore are endowed by their Creator (not the Government) will certain Inalienable Rights that no government can ever take away, although they can oppress the people, they can not take away what God has given man and what some call our Natural Rights as Free Men and Women.

The Right to create, own, use and carry weapons predates any government and actually pre-dates modern humans. Firearms are no different from spears, knives, bows and swords. They are all weapons, used by free people.



What Will Free People Do???

Government is the largest Murderer of People in the History of Man and should never have a monopoly on the ownership and use of weapons.

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Makes me feel good about living in a country that has a Bill of Rights with the 2nd Amendment in it......
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Liberty Dies to Applause

It only took them 26 days to decide that 268,000 people, gun owners, should be punished for the acts of an Australian Left Wing Terrorist.



From Fox:

A bill outlawing most automatic and semi-automatic weapons and banning components that modify existing weapons was passed by a vote of 119 to 1 in the House of Representatives after an accelerated process of debate and public submission.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/new-ze...omatic-weapons

What to do now - RESIST???

The New Zealand Gun Owners have a big choice to make, OBEY the advocates of Tyranny or Resist, by simple non-compliance. In the past, most of the Common Wealth types have been conditioned to simply Obey, afterall, they voted, its a democracy, etc., etc.

Will it be different this time. Just like the propaganda machine spin of folks voluntarily turning in their weapons, even before a ban, I expect the government and the media to simply lie about compliance and resistance to these new rules/laws.

Look at the French,with their Yellow Vest Movement, over Gas Prices and a Rejection of Socialism. Will New Zealanders do the same or just roll over.



Voting is not the Cure

Many have stated that they will hold the politicians accountable in the next elections. With a vote of 119 to 1 in favor of a gun ban, that is highly unlikely to succeed.

The other thing to consider is that New Zealand is highly undemocratic in that you vote for a candidate and for the party list. The Green Party, can't win a single seat, yet gets 8 members in the Parliament because of the Party List Vote. This is how they got stuck with this crazy woman and her minority Labour government, as the "list" members of Parliament formed a coalition to make her Prime Minister, rather than support the party that has the most seats in Parliament.

A Right Denied is Still a Right

Members of Parliament and the Government have stated that in New Zealand, gun ownership is a Privilege and not a Right. So the politicians can give and take as they please. Today they all agreed to take some and later, they may agree to take all.

The problem, is last time I looked, the People of New Zealand are (mostly) Human and therefore are endowed by their Creator (not the Government) will certain Inalienable Rights that no government can ever take away, although they can oppress the people, they can not take away what God has given man and what some call our Natural Rights as Free Men and Women.

The Right to create, own, use and carry weapons predates any government and actually pre-dates modern humans. Firearms are no different from spears, knives, bows and swords. They are all weapons, used by free people.



What Will Free People Do???

Government is the largest Murderer of People in the History of Man and should never have a monopoly on the ownership and use of weapons.

'One criminal violence-prone hate group just killed another criminal violence-prone hate group... quickly, disarm the law abiding gun owners!'
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I've been on the board since 2011 and this seems to be the one battle cry repeated over and over.
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It ain't coming here there will always be noise to that affect, but the gov knows there's no way they could ever get even 20% of the firearms in this country before the shooting starts, to many guns that can not be traced to the owners and to many people that would shoot back.
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It ain't coming here there will always be noise to that affect, but the gov knows there's no way they could ever get even 20% of the firearms in this country before the shooting starts, to many guns that can not be traced to the owners and to many people that would shoot back.
Well, the 1934 Gun Control Act was originally slated for all firearms.

None would have been taken from their owners, just a $200 Transfer Tax ($3,658 TODAY) when you sold a gun or purchased a new one. Of course this was limited to machine guns and accomplished its goal, civilian machine gun sales ground to a quick halt, as only government and the rich and powerful to afford to buy machine guns.

The NRA Supported this Law.

Same goes for the 1968 Act and "Destructive Devices"

There were no riots or civil unrest, Americans registered their guns and all was well...until 1986 when all new civilian machine guns were outlawed. Prices have gone through the roof, as the supply is fixed and rust will eventually claim as these guns as they wear out and break or become so rare, no one dares to shoot them.

The NRA supported this Law Ronald Reagan signed it.

Again, no riots, no unrest.

Another Republican King George Bush 1st, banned the importation of "Assault Weapons" with an Executive Order

Clintonm Followed with his "Assault Weapons" ban in 1992

Donald Trump, A Republican, just made 500,000 Bump Stock owners felons and required that their legally purchased property be destroyed with no compensation. First time that's happened.

NRA supported this regulation change.

Again, no riots, no unrest.

The Demorats have already said, "Keep your AR-15's, just ban the sale of new ones", etc. Registration and putting them in the NFA will come later, etc.

NRA will probably support the law as well a few decades from now, if we have a Socialist President, etc.

Don't ever think your guns are safe, as a corrupt president and congress, supported by a corrupt supreme court (Obama Care) can make anything illegal, magically become legal, if they desire.

There will be no riots and no unrest, the water will slowly boil and when the frog realizes he is being cooked, it will be too late. The NRA will go along, as long as the heat is raised slowly and perhaps in exchange for Airguns remaining legal, for now.
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I'm in support of New Zealand gun owners saying "NO."

If there's a quarter million of them, they should stand together and refuse. Absent international intervention, which won't happen, no domestic NZ Army or Police force could defeat them.
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'One criminal violence-prone hate group just killed another criminal violence-prone hate group... quickly, disarm the law abiding gun owners!'


Actually it was just one nut job killing a group of different but jobs.
NZ will get the country it submits to.
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Those who do not stand against tyranny will ultimately crawl before a tyrant. Our founding fathers knew that, and turned that knowledge into a great nation, but a look at history shows that most people would rather crawl.

And a look at America today shows that even with all the talk of armed resistance to these illegal disarmament schemes, most of us would rather not take a stand. As long as the hand of the tyrant wears a velvet glove, we will let that hand do whatever it wants.

A look around us makes clear that the enemy of freedom is building a massive war machine, and we just sit here and watch it being built. What do you think will happen when the death star is complete?

On the day the liberal cult is convinced it can win a shooting war the cold war it levies against America will turn hot. And the victims of its aggression will be wondering why they didn't do something to stop it while it could be stopped.

I hope I'm wrong about all this. I would like to see patriots rise up and bring the traitors to justice, restoring the Constitution to its rightful place as the foundation of law. But so far I have not seen any evidence of that likelihood. And I'm no better in this regard than anybody else. No one can stand up alone and do any good. There is plenty of will, but we are not united into a single force. We need organization.
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As long as the hand of the tyrant wears a velvet glove, we will let that hand do whatever it wants.

First image that came to my mind was creepy Uncle Joe.


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Is it odd that I find that a lot more plausible then the climate change BS?
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If there is anyone left there with a set of balls they need to man up.
Islam has infiltrated their government.
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This will be held up by the media as a shining example of common sense the next time there is a mass shooting, which I expect will be soon....just in time to get the focus off the Trump campaign spying by the FBI.
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If there is anyone left there with a set of balls they need to man up.
Islam has infiltrated their government.
Not just their government.
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Kiwis, you need to stand up and fight guys. Fight or submit to serfdom. Those are your two choices. I hope you choose wisely.
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What happened to the Aussies in 1996 is now happening to us and there is not a thing we can do about it except make things worse all because we have no Constitution with a 2nd amendment. We have no rights, its all privileges. NZ'd is a perfect example of the PC brigade being in charge.
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Maybe NZ folks can hire Tom Selleck to come protect them as Quigley?
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