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Google 19 hijackers 9/11 and hit images. There are pictures on any grouped photo you see of people who are still alive. Forget the name.
This is arguably the most pivotal moments in modern American history and they posted pictures of men who are still alive and haven’t bothered to correct it, this can’t be dismissed as a case of stolen identity.
One of the surviving dead terrorist hijackers said he DID attend a flight school in Florida, then returned home, and is now a pilot.
Horsepuckey! It was a case of mistaken identity. One of the “muscle” hijackers on Flight 11 was Waleed M al-Shehri. Neither he or his brother who was also on Flight 11 have ever been seen again. The man who attended the Florida flight school was Waleed A Al-Shehri who graduated from Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in 1997 and now lives in Morocco. THEY. ARE. TWO. DIFFERENT. PEOPLE!!
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You come here,and like I said, you don't do much more then,"copy and paste" like a monkey.
Yeah...Don't break that arm jerking yourself off, missy

Mean to say, do you honestly believe THE PENTAGON, the "hub" of our military command, does'nt have UP TO DATE anti-missile/anti-air what have you? Really?

And if THE PENTAGON does'nt have those defensive capabilities, I guess whoever decided that was'nt important, also said, "ya know what? Lets give the American tax payers a break, and not worry about un-important things like, say, up to date security camera's. Those things are just not needed. This is THE PENTAGON, after all..."

And for the record, I am NOT a "Truther". I am just intelligent enough to know what the Government(Doctor Greg Graffin said "YOU are the Government. Remember that?) tries to foist on the American people is a load or horse ****. You eat that **** up.

Spoon or a fork, missy?
Again, arguments from personal incredulity are meaningless. You are a fantasist who simply hand-waves away any evidence that doesn’t fit your delusions like every other member of your cult. None of you should be called “Truthers” because truth is the one thing none of you are interested in.
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So you speak for the DOD? Who at the DOD decided to let the pentagon be struck? Why was it ordered for fighters to engage aircraft AFTER the pentagon had been struck? Why was it okay to shoot down a plane load of constituents in unrestricted air space but not in the secure air space around DC?
I’m not speaking for the DoD. I’m talking about what the DOD did that lead to an airliner being able to crash into the Pentagon.

The Department put its HQ building in the middle of a populated area close to a civilian airport. That decision made it impossible set up a large “no fly zone” around the building guarded by SAMs and CIWS. They did not have the capability to shoot down a civilian aircraft careening toward the Pentagon on the morning of 9/11. We were at peace until the planes hit the towers and the Pentagon. After that, we were at war. The Rules of Engagement changed.

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The function of the pentagon was defended, what does that mean?
It wasn’t defended, it just wasn’t struck with enough damage to disable our defensive capability, that’s not the same thing as being defended.
The Command and Control capacity of the US Military was not significantly degraded when an airliner crashed into the Pentagon. Despite the attack, the mission of the survivors inside was not affected.
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Why do you truthers “know” so many things that aren’t true? Part of the Vigilant Guardian exercises on 9/11 was a simulated traditional hijacking. It had nothing to do with using planes as missles.
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Horsepuckey! It was a case of mistaken identity. One of the “muscle” hijackers on Flight 11 was Waleed M al-Shehri. Neither he or his brother who was also on Flight 11 have ever been seen again. The man who attended the Florida flight school was Waleed A Al-Shehri who graduated from Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in 1997 and now lives in Morocco. THEY. ARE. TWO. DIFFERENT. PEOPLE!!
Here’s the article bbc ran, people can read it for themselves.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm

Al-Shehri contacted his embassy when his name AND PICTURE were released, identifying him as one of the hijackers. The picture we’ve been shown since September of 2001 is a picture of a man who disputes the claim that he is dead, but no correction has been made. For 18 years anyone who looks at the pictures of the 9/11 terrorists sees his face.
If it’s a mistaken identity it should have been addressed.
Robert mueller said they weren’t sure about the identities of at least 7 of the reported hijackers but the dubious identities are still presented as though the question has been answered definitively, it hasn’t
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I’m not speaking for the DoD. I’m talking about what the DOD did that lead to an airliner being able to crash into the Pentagon.

The Department put its HQ building in the middle of a populated area close to a civilian airport. That decision made it impossible set up a large “no fly zone” around the building guarded by SAMs and CIWS. They did not have the capability to shoot down a civilian aircraft careening toward the Pentagon on the morning of 9/11. We were at peace until the planes hit the towers and the Pentagon. After that, we were at war. The Rules of Engagement changed.



The Command and Control capacity of the US Military was not significantly degraded when an airliner crashed into the Pentagon. Despite the attack, the mission of the survivors inside was not affected.
So you’re saying the IFOF system doesn’t exist? Why would a system to detect a threat exist without the ability to counter it? We’re talking about the US military, not some guy with motion activated lights in his backyard. For military leaders there is no such thing as “at peace”, Jeff Cooper developed his color code system for a man armed with a pistol, you don’t think the military has a plan for every situation?

I used to deliver business files in NYC. One stop was a high security location. We were searched, our file boxes searched, allowed onto the elevator and a key was turned to allow the elevator to stop at the floor we needed.
When we got there we were greeted by two security workers with sub machine guns, in a concrete room, one took every file out of the boxes and looked through them while the other watched us. That was every day with every delivery and even after seeing us daily for almost a year the routine never changed.
That’s what peacetime security looks like
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Here’s the article bbc ran, people can read it for themselves.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm

Al-Shehri contacted his embassy when his name AND PICTURE were released, identifying him as one of the hijackers. The picture we’ve been shown since September of 2001 is a picture of a man who disputes the claim that he is dead, but no correction has been made. For 18 years anyone who looks at the pictures of the 9/11 terrorists sees his face.
If it’s a mistaken identity it should have been addressed.
Robert mueller said they weren’t sure about the identities of at least 7 of the reported hijackers but the dubious identities are still presented as though the question has been answered definitively, it hasn’t
Congratulations, you just refuted your own conspiracy theory. A link at the bottom of the article you cited clarifies the issue. By the way, the original FBI Press Release contained Al-Shehri’s name and biographical details but NO PICTURE.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theedito..._theory_1.html

Also, Al-Shehri’s own family doesn’t seem to believe he or his brother are still “alive”. From the Al-Shehri brothers cousin:

"When we read their names we were very proud because the black hand of Americans are in everything," said their cousin. "I don't think my cousins were exploited. I think they did it out of their own convictions."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...s-of-Asir.html

Again, the Al-Shehri from Morocco IS. A. DIFFERENT. GUY. WITH. THE. SAME. NAME.

There are 13 Whitepage listings for Albert Einstein. Do you think all of them are scientists who are 138 years old?
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Congratulations, you just refuted your own conspiracy theory. A link at the bottom of the article you cited clarifies the issue. By the way, the original FBI Press Release contained Al-Shehri’s name and biographical details but NO PICTURE.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theedito..._theory_1.html

Also, Al-Shehri’s own family doesn’t seem to believe he or his brother are still “alive”. From the Al-Shehri brothers cousin:

"When we read their names we were very proud because the black hand of Americans are in everything," said their cousin. "I don't think my cousins were exploited. I think they did it out of their own convictions."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...s-of-Asir.html

Again, the Al-Shehri from Morocco IS. A. DIFFERENT. GUY. WITH. THE. SAME. NAME.

There are 13 Whitepage listings for Albert Einstein. Do you think all of them are scientists who are 138 years old?
You’re avoiding the question.
How come the pictures we’re still presented with are pictures of the wrong guy?
Why hasn’t there been a correction?
Mueller said the identity of seven of them is still unclear, why isn’t that a part of the 9/11 event when someone looks into it?
Robert mueller says the identity of seven of them is still unclear, why hasn’t anything been done to find the real identities of the ones in doubt?
How would the narrative have to change if the seven unknowns are from some other country?
Or is it that, at this point, what difference does it make? Is it just good enough to know some people did some things and that’s all we have to know?
We have British news reports that some of the alleged hijackers are still alive and we have the head of the FBI saying the identity is unclear for some of them, what warrants an investigation in your mind if those things don’t?
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So you’re saying the IFOF system doesn’t exist? Why would a system to detect a threat exist without the ability to counter it?
If you mean the IFF system, yes, it exists. However on the morning of 9/11 the plane that hit the Pentagon would have not been IDed as a "foe."

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"...you don’t think the military has a plan for every situation?"
I'm not sure they have a plan for EVERY situation... but I'm sure they had a plan for a civilian plane crashing into the Pentagon. That's probably why only 125 folks were killed.

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I used to deliver business files in NYC. One stop was a high security location. We were searched, our file boxes searched, allowed onto the elevator and a key was turned to allow the elevator to stop at the floor we needed.
When we got there we were greeted by two security workers with sub machine guns, in a concrete room, one took every file out of the boxes and looked through them while the other watched us. That was every day with every delivery and even after seeing us daily for almost a year the routine never changed.
That’s what peacetime security looks like.
Yep... and I bet you that if that high security location had been a target of the hijackers on 9/11, it would have been hit. No amount of file box searches or sub-machine guns was going to stop an airplane headed at you at 500 mph with seconds of warning.

The concrete room might help a little. That's why the Pentagon survived and the towers did not.
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Here’s the article bbc ran, people can read it for themselves.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm

Al-Shehri contacted his embassy when his name AND PICTURE were released, identifying him as one of the hijackers. The picture we’ve been shown since September of 2001 is a picture of a man who disputes the claim that he is dead, but no correction has been made. For 18 years anyone who looks at the pictures of the 9/11 terrorists sees his face.
If it’s a mistaken identity it should have been addressed.
Robert mueller said they weren’t sure about the identities of at least 7 of the reported hijackers but the dubious identities are still presented as though the question has been answered definitively, it hasn’t
Hahahaha... this proves you don't have a clue, you don't vet the information you cite, and you're full of hogwash. AGAIN. Good grief.

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Congratulations, you just refuted your own conspiracy theory. A link at the bottom of the article you cited clarifies the issue. By the way, the original FBI Press Release contained Al-Shehri’s name and biographical details but NO PICTURE.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theedito..._theory_1.html

Also, Al-Shehri’s own family doesn’t seem to believe he or his brother are still “alive”. From the Al-Shehri brothers cousin:

"When we read their names we were very proud because the black hand of Americans are in everything," said their cousin. "I don't think my cousins were exploited. I think they did it out of their own convictions."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...s-of-Asir.html

Again, the Al-Shehri from Morocco IS. A. DIFFERENT. GUY. WITH. THE. SAME. NAME.

There are 13 Whitepage listings for Albert Einstein. Do you think all of them are scientists who are 138 years old?
Hahahahahahahahahaha....

This is indeed hilarious. Revmgt, just give up and admit what we all know.
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So you’re saying the IFOF system doesn’t exist? Why would a system to detect a threat exist without the ability to counter it? We’re talking about the US military, not some guy with motion activated lights in his backyard. For military leaders there is no such thing as “at peace”, Jeff Cooper developed his color code system for a man armed with a pistol, you don’t think the military has a plan for every situation?

I used to deliver business files in NYC. One stop was a high security location. We were searched, our file boxes searched, allowed onto the elevator and a key was turned to allow the elevator to stop at the floor we needed.
When we got there we were greeted by two security workers with sub machine guns, in a concrete room, one took every file out of the boxes and looked through them while the other watched us. That was every day with every delivery and even after seeing us daily for almost a year the routine never changed.
That’s what peacetime security looks like
It's called a "surprise attack," "ambush" or other such terms. 9/11/01 represented a complex unlikely attack that unfolded relatively quickly with unknown specific targets. In short, they caught us with our pants down.

Accept it or not, but that's what occurred. Others have tried in vain to explain why some high tech missile defense system was not deployed at the Pentagon. Not enough time, not enough warning, too difficult to ID a actual threat, too many friendlies, etc. And that all probably goes toward the reasons why any videos are not released showing the lackluster Pentagon response to an attack.

This is really pretty elementary easy stuff to understand. It's not surprising how "truthers" who can't grasp the simple stuff get bewildered by harder stuff.
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We're wasting time arguing about something we can't fix while illegals overrun us and our elected officials run amok. And patriots calling each other names.
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We're wasting time arguing about something we can't fix while illegals overrun us and our elected officials run amok. And patriots calling each other names.
I just want the truth.

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This is a video I haven’t seen before from Sky News live coverage on 9/11

At 33:44, the analyst predicts the buildings will collapse:

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