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Old 08-18-2019, 11:29 PM
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I keep seeing where they are having civil unrest in Portland Oregon. I haven't read much about it but I was just wondering if this is caused by economic downturn like the riots that use to occur in Detroit? Too many unhappy people with too much time on their hands.
Does anybody in the rest of the country care if right wing demonstrators clash with left wing demonstrators? I really don't care what they call themselves it just seems stupid for a lot of people to go out hoping to get into it with a lot of other people.
I think that somebody must be benefiting from all of these riots and the damage that is being done to property.
Is it just the news media that loves to stoke civil unrest or are there other people who are benefiting too?
I would think that the citizens of Portland and the surrounding area would start demanding a stop to the nonsense when they are inconvenienced enough by what is happening.
Don't Governors have the right to use force to stop riots? Just seems like they are letting things get out of hand any more.
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Spend an hour on Youtube, google Andy Ngo and you'll know what's going on. Nothing to do with poverty, everything to do with a poisonous left-wing culture in Portland. The kind of culture where a friend of mine in NE Portland is accused of being a white supremacist because he asked his neighbour not to park across his drive. The neighbour was white. You don't go down the freeway to Portland, you go down the rabbit-hole.
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Most of the "protesters" are from out of town.
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Freaks and weirdos being manipulated by communists. At this point the more bad behavior they provide video of the better. America needs to see the truth of the left's insanity.
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It's basically a battle of wills that has been going on for quite a while now. This makes the, I don't know maybe 5th of 6th demonstration this year in Portland seems like. Portland seems to be ground zero for the good against the bad. Right wingers vs Antifa. Basically over the 1st Amendment. Antifa can attack the Right without much consequence it seems like. The Mayor Ted Wheeler seems to be on Antifa's side. There's more to it than just that though. Check out Joey Gibson Patriot Prayer, This was the night before Saturday's rally.



And yes, check out Andy Ngo on YouTube, there are a bunch of videos but i'll give you one. This was about 6 weeks ago now I think.


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At least there were no acid attacks, there were threats that Antifa was going to be spraying muriatic acid on people.
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At least there were no acid attacks, there were threats that Antifa was going to be spraying muriatic acid on people.
That's why it's important for people to prosecute those who throw milkshakes. Milkshakes can easily hide other stuff. Burger King have supported this stuff in UK https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/19/burge...hakes-9598586/

Farage was milk-shaked and prosecuted the offender, which has slowed this stuff right down over here. But then, no-one can expect sense in PDX.
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I'm only worried of lunatic leftists shooting up the protest. Patriot Prayer and even the Proudboys seem to be fully embracing the tactics of the civil rights movement. Show up, be peaceful, cause of bunch of reactionary crazies to make a scene. They are basically trolling in real life to expose the leftists as the intolerant violent extremists that they are. It also served to expose the media bias.

Patriot prayer and it's associated groups are NOT the "alt-right". The actual violent right wing people/groups seem to have gone underground since the PR nightmare of the "Unite the right" rally. They are running off a different playbook and in my opinion can almost be counted as a complete separate faction.
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So the idiots in Portland are trying to mimic the idiots in the rest of the world.
Before the 2016 election our local newspaper decided that they wanted to be "progressive" and started printing a lot of the inflammatory national propaganda. Things about racial injustice and other liberal crap.
I sent them a message telling them that people in our area are not haters and that you don't see hate in the eyes of other people when you meet them in stores and on streets. I told them that hate is not something that you can stick in a drawer once it is started. I told them that if they incite violence in our area they will lose a lot of business.
The whole page stories that they had started printing that were aimed at discourse soon disappeared.
I don't know if my comments made a difference but the newspaper is so much nicer to read and they have a lot of human interest stories now instead of that liberal crap.
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My concern is that Antifa will False Flag PP or PB, making it look like PP or PB took some type of extreme violent action against an Antifa. But it will have been one of there own on themselves.

The MSM will play it up to be PP or PB, and how they are some type of Right wWing extremists (theyre not).

With the mayor openly backing Antifa, and seemingly putting restraints on what the police can and can not do...is VERY CONCERNING and has been for QUITE SOME TIME>
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So the fascists are the good guys?
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So the fascists are the good guys?
To you, probably.

If you think Antifa are the good guys then yes.
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So the fascists are the good guys?
Antifa are fascists. If you think they are the good guys, then good luck to you.
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So the fascists are the good guys?
Who defines who's fascist and who's not? If you're hiding your identity from LEO while physically attacking people who disagree with you, then you're in with a chance of being on the wrong side of the line.
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Has nothing to do with poverty.
This is a case of ass holes colliding
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Portland Police: 'We Wish There Were Some Kind Of Organized, Armed Force That Could Fight Back Against Antifa'

https://babylonbee.com/news/portland...against-antifa

A joke story, but it gets to the point.
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13 arrested in portland and the media wont say which group they were from , SO you know they had to be, the ones dressed in black with the mask,s, If it was the PB or PP it would make the front page and every media outlet. JMO
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Where is the declaration that Antifa is a terrorist organization?
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fascism noun
fas·​cism | \ ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-
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Definition of fascism

A political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts the state above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.


Who wants big government? Who wants government run healthcare, education, etc..? Who is attempting to control what words are used and ideas expressed? Who is it that attempts to shut down their opponent's gatherings?
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There are actually a few definitions of fascism floating around, often focusing on vague characteristics that can be applied to many dictatorships. To create a better definition, Umberto Eco compared leaders that are considered fascist and complied 14 characteristics that can represent a sort of sliding scale of Fascism. I believe this list is more useful than many other definitions for determining what is fascist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism

"In his 1995 essay "Eternal Fascism", cultural theorist Umberto Eco lists fourteen general properties of fascist ideology.[20] He argues that it is not possible to organise these into a coherent system, but that "it is enough that one of them be present to allow fascism to coagulate around it". He uses the term "Ur-fascism" as a generic description of different historical forms of fascism. The fourteen properties are as follows:

1. "The Cult of Tradition", characterized by cultural syncretism, even at the risk of internal contradiction. When all truth has already been revealed by Tradition, no new learning can occur, only further interpretation and refinement.

2. "The Rejection of modernism", which views the rationalistic development of Western culture since the Enlightenment as a descent into depravity. Eco distinguishes this from a rejection of superficial technological advancement, as many fascist regimes cite their industrial potency as proof of the vitality of their system.

3. "The Cult of Action for Action's Sake", which dictates that action is of value in itself, and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism and irrationalism, and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science.

4. "Disagreement Is Treason" – Fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith.

5. "Fear of Difference", which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants.

6."Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class", fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups.

7. "Obsession with a Plot" and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often combines an appeal to xenophobia with a fear of disloyalty and sabotage from marginalized groups living within the society (such as the German elite's 'fear' of the 1930s Jewish populace's businesses and well-doings; see also anti-Semitism). Eco also cites Pat Robertson's book The New World Order as a prominent example of a plot obsession.

8. Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak." On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will.

9. "Pacifism is Trafficking with the Enemy" because "Life is Permanent Warfare" – there must always be an enemy to fight. Both fascist Germany under Hitler and Italy under Mussolini worked first to organize and clean up their respective countries and then build the war machines that they later intended to and did use, despite Germany being under restrictions of the Versailles treaty to NOT build a military force. This principle leads to a fundamental contradiction within fascism: the incompatibility of ultimate triumph with perpetual war.

10. "Contempt for the Weak", which is uncomfortably married to a chauvinistic popular elitism, in which every member of society is superior to outsiders by virtue of belonging to the in-group. Eco sees in these attitudes the root of a deep tension in the fundamentally hierarchical structure of fascist polities, as they encourage leaders to despise their underlings, up to the ultimate Leader who holds the whole country in contempt for having allowed him to overtake it by force.

11. "Everybody is Educated to Become a Hero", which leads to the embrace of a cult of death. As Eco observes, "[t]he Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death."

12. "Machismo", which sublimates the difficult work of permanent war and heroism into the sexual sphere. Fascists thus hold "both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality."

13. "Selective Populism" – The People, conceived monolithically, have a Common Will, distinct from and superior to the viewpoint of any individual. As no mass of people can ever be truly unanimous, the Leader holds himself out as the interpreter of the popular will (though truly he dictates it). Fascists use this concept to delegitimize democratic institutions they accuse of "no longer represent[ing] the Voice of the People."

14. "Newspeak" – Fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning."
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