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Old 08-19-2019, 02:05 AM
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Another tragedy in progress with 2 young firefighters fishing off Florida.

https://www.news4jax.com/top-stories...ayer-walks-set

heartbreaking and pretty much avoidable with a beacon.

Now a small army will be searching for days with little idea where to look.

The beacon relays your GPS coordinates to the rescue folks.
No guesswork. The rescue craft will zip out and save your sorry butt if you get in a jam.

For probably less than the price of the gasoline in the boat's fuel tanks, they would be at home safe and eating dinner.

They should have also had a good VHF radio, and more than a single engine. From the pic, it looks like it might have had only a single motor.
The answer is simple: never. That would mean that people would have to admit that not everything is in their control, and bad things can happen regardless. Many can't admit that to themselves.

Look at hikers. Howmany who hike remote regions have PLB's?
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The answer is simple: never. That would mean that people would have to admit that not everything is in their control, and bad things can happen regardless. Many can't admit that to themselves.

Look at hikers. Howmany who hike remote regions have PLB's?
Yeah, the western half of Europe is basically tamed to be nothing short of government parkland.

And yet they still keep loosing hikers and climbers.

Head into eastern Europe or just about every other continent entirely and you can get lost in a heartbeat.

Without intimate local experience of an area it is easy to get way out of your depth.

Water? People die all the time within sight of the shore.

There is a reason local guides ask for money. They keep you from dying too soon.
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These guys are young and tough though.
As long as the boat didn't sink, they should get picked up tomorrow by a fisherman off Hattarus.
There have been bad storms off the NC coast for the past couple of days.
If they got that far I wouldn't expect them to survive the weather conditions.
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There have been bad storms off the NC coast for the past couple of days.
If they got that far I wouldn't expect them to survive the weather conditions.
Bad weather will keep most of the fishing fleet from going out also.

Not good.
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I agreed. I lived on the gulf for 10 years and am a avid offshore fisherman. The very first thing I did was buy a a good EPIRB and marine radio. When all else fails it will save your life. If an EPIRB goes off there are no questions asked, the coast guard is headed your way pronto..
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I was told that the Coast Guard no longer does rescues , at least on the East Coast.
They said they would call a tow boat company. Might not be true though, just what I was told when I was boating over there.
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I was told that the Coast Guard no longer does rescues , at least on the East Coast.
They said they would call a tow boat company. Might not be true though, just what I was told when I was boating over there.
Maybe, but I'd find that kinda hard to believe. They may be talking about the idiots that head offshore without enough fuel and run out or break down The CG used to tow them in, but may have stopped. If your in life threatening distress they come. That's what the EPIRB'S are for. In the gulf, when they'd tow them in for being stupid (fuel etc) they would actually charge the boat owner for doing so.
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Not just the ocean, but can save your bacon in large lakes, riverine and coastal waters.

Also useful for wilderness backpacking, off-road ATV and light aircraft.

We use SPOT locator all the time and also carry either an Airband, Marine or 2-meter ham VHF, depending upon the AO, duration and type of outing.
Couldn't agree with you more! You can buy the latest Gen 3 Spot for $75 now, and get a year's service for a hundred bucks. The SpotX two way satellite communicator is 200 bucks now. They don't completely take the place of an EPIRB on a boat since they don't activate automatically, but they're a no brainer for remote hiking, camping, etc. And they're certainly better than nothing out in the ocean.

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Couldn't agree with you more! You can buy the latest Gen 3 Spot for $75 now, and get a year's service for a hundred bucks. The SpotX two way satellite communicator is 200 bucks now. They don't completely take the place of an EPIRB on a boat since they don't activate automatically, but they're a no brainer for remote hiking, camping, etc. And they're certainly better than nothing out in the ocean.

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There are some important differences between SPOT and the 406 satellite rescue beacons.

Spot is cheaper to buy, but in the long term, the annual fees will cost more than the pure rescue beacon, which has no annual fee.

Spot has a weaker signal and may not get a signal through in some conditions.

Spot will let you send some simple messages, and the rescue beacon will not.

No annual fee for the rescue beacon.

The user can't change the batteries (theoretically) on the pure rescue beacons. SPOT I think you can put new batteries in like any other device.

The pure rescue beacons will work anywhere on earth. SPOT, last time I checked was limited to their coverage areas.

If you are in the middle of the ocean, the pure rescue beacon will send the distress signal info to a satellite, which then rebroadcasts to the ground station in a few minutes once it goes over land.
I don't think SPOT can do this. If you are out of range, you don't get your signal through.
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Just saw the updated news report. Those idiots are searching in the wrong place! They said the search zone is from middle of Georgia down to Florida. They are easily past N. Carolina by now.

Can't these fools perform basic math? 5 knot current means you drift 120 nautical miles every 24 hours.
3 days = 360 nautical miles or around 415 regular miles.
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I was told that the Coast Guard no longer does rescues , at least on the East Coast.
They said they would call a tow boat company. Might not be true though, just what I was told when I was boating over there.
It's not true.
It's largely dependent on the circumstances.

The news today said they had found some items identified as belonging to the missing men about 50 miles off the FL coast.

https://www.firstcoastnews.com/artic...7-d02d3af06386

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The wife of a missing Jacksonville firefighter posted on social media Monday afternoon saying rescue crews found his tackle bag. It was found off the coast of St. Augustine, Fla. about 50 miles out, Stephanie Young McCluney said on Facebook.

Her husband, Brian McCluney, a member of the Jacksonville Fire and Rescue Department, went missing on Friday, along with Justin Walker, a Fairfax, Va. firefighter. The two were last seen entering a boat dock for a fishing trip near Port Canaveral and they haven't been seen since.
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Gotta tell this one:

Back in the '80s I was a pretty serious roadracer, and traveled to Canada for several races in the series. At Mosport one evening the conversation turned to how dangerous the sport is. Some well-informed Canuck piped up with the statistic that, in Ontario, the sport having the greatest number of fatalities was.............(wait for it)...............fishing. I've always wondered how many of the drowned bodies were found with their fly unzipped.
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I was told that the Coast Guard no longer does rescues , at least on the East Coast.
They said they would call a tow boat company. Might not be true though, just what I was told when I was boating over there.
Unless you are in danger of sinking, you are likely to have your emergency call referred to one of the commercial sea tow companies who will tow you in and charge a hefty rate for their effort. They can put a lien on your boat under salvage laws.

I have watched idiots sailing in Key Biscayne getting grounded on sand bars on their first time out. Lots of fatalities, swimmers plus beer plus propellers.

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Well, the gulf stream changes all the time. Maybe they weren't out far enough to be in it.
https://www.firstcoastnews.com/artic...a-2b5c1e884e14
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Unless you are in danger of sinking, you are likely to have your emergency call referred to one of the commercial sea tow companies who will tow you in and charge a hefty rate for their effort. They can put a lien on your boat under salvage laws.

I have watched idiots sailing in Key Biscayne getting grounded on sand bars on their first time out. Lots of fatalities, swimmers plus beer plus propellers.

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I rescued about 30 powerboats with my sailboat in my time sailing in barnegat bay. I would tow them back under sail to kind of rub it in.

Friendly rivalry between stink potters and blow boaters.
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Always dreamed of a Diesel Duck.

Instead I bought lakefront BOL property and a steel johnboat with a trolling motor.

Waaaaay cheaper.

Growing up, the cheap tiny rowboat, that would have been a not-very-rich person's dinghy to get to their real boat, was our boat. Oars with a small outboard in case SHTF, and life vests. Stayed close enough to the shore to be able to swim in if we got in trouble. We watched the sky and the water closely and at the first sign of change, took it in. Even so, calm can become a running current and/or 3 foot whitecaps crashing on the rocks in just a couple of minutes
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I know they are trying to be postive and hopeful, but the story that they intentionally threw their fishing tackle bag overboard makes no sense to me.

It is a way for them to catch fish. No way would I throw that overboard. If they are out of food and water, eating raw fish can keep them alive. Remember that guy that launched off California a few years ago? He lived a year adrift, catching and eating fish and birds, long after his boat was out of food and water. I don't care how tough they are, once they are out of water, they won't live long.
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So I figure they got run down by a freighter or something. Or the tackle bag flipped overboard accidently and they didn't notice it?

If it rains, they can try to collect the water in the cockpit I guess. After the first bt of rain to rinse the salt from the deck, stopper up the drain and drink the water that collects. Yum.

The other consideration beyond the current is the wind. That boat is mostly above the water, so it will be moved a lot depending upon the prevailing wind direction and strength. The tackle bag would likely be mostly under the water, removing the influence of wind as a significant factor in drift.
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I was told that the Coast Guard no longer does rescues , at least on the East Coast.
They said they would call a tow boat company. Might not be true though, just what I was told when I was boating over there.
I understand that their policy is to save people not property.
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I rescued about 30 powerboats with my sailboat in my time sailing in barnegat bay. I would tow them back under sail to kind of rub it in.

Friendly rivalry between stink potters and blow boaters.
LOL , I did that once in the Carquinez Strait. The best part was cutting them loose when the depth got to 4' and making them wade in, keel don't you know.
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I was thinking last night and got to wondering if they did the ultimate stupid. The seas weren't bad, so how could they lose the boat (short of hitting something). I'm wondering if they forgot to put the drain plug in the transom. Sounds silly, but it happens. The boat will float long enough to launch and leave. Any water that got in will drain back out while underway. But, when you stop to fish or troll the water will come in. You eventually find your boat low in the water and it will eventually capsize. I had a coworker that did just that. They managed to get about 15 miles out and while fishing they found themselves in trouble. The boat capsized. They managed to swim to a nearby unmanned oil rig. They were there for about 12 hours before someone discovered them. The also got ripped to shreds by barnicals when climbing the rig.

When I was preparing to go out the very first thing I did was install the drain plug and then I'd double check myself a few times while loading up..
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