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Old 08-18-2019, 09:59 PM
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Well it’s comforting to know that in an ever-changing world that some things never change. Namely the Russian government and their inept nuclear programs, their inept handling of the resulting disasters, and their inevitable attempts to lie and cover them up.

I fully expect at any moment Radiation Bear will show up here to blame the CIA and claim that Putin himself waded in and saved the workers and townspeople.
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So now 60-some doctors nurses and medical aids have been dragged into that mess

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ent-tests.html

First, it's nothing to be worried about. Then agents descend on the little village and force evacuations. Then this report.

But everything is just A OK, точно?
For those of us who remember Chernobyl as the info dripped out, gradually getting worse & the cold war in general, this is not real surprising. Hell even most western countries lie about crap like that till it can't be lied about anymore.
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Old 08-18-2019, 11:50 PM
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Well, I disagree with most of what you said. PNAC is the deep state and they got us into the Middle east wars. most of Bush's cabinet was straight outta PNAC. The Deep State works by using both political parties. The Clintons,the Bushes and Obama of course.

Trump is the first non-deep state president in a long time, and this is why he is being relentlessly attacked by the News Media which is also fully controlled by the Deep State.

Hillary and Bill are guilty of many many crimes and if they can get a witness to stay alive long enough to testify, then maybe you will be convinced .

That is one wild avatar name you have. Is it supposed to mean somethng?

Oh, gogle says it is some character.

"Randolph Rowzee Bragg

The hero of the novel, Randy Rowzee Bragg is a boyishly handsome thirty-two-year-old lawyer who lives off the income from his family’s estate. Randy’s life changes completely when the U.S. comes under nuclear attack. Formerly a carefree bachelor, he becomes guardian of his brother Mark’s wife and children, and as a veteran of the Korean War and an officer in the Army Reserve, he is called on to enforce martial law in the chaotic time after the nuclear holocaust. The experience hardens Randy and brings out his leadership ability."

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So anyone who doesn't like Trump is a member of the "Deep State", an organization that is so secret that no one alive will admit to being a member or even verify its existence. Anyone who could prove its existence could write a book and become a millionaire overnight, but not a single mail clerk, secretary or security guard will take the chance, right? Newspapers proved the existence of the Watergate conspiracy, which was run by the President, and the Russians infiltrated the Manhattan Project, but no one can infiltrate the "Deep State."
The Clintons are guilty of "many, many crimes," but Bill and Hillary keep using their ninja skills to kill anyone who could testify against them, except of course for a lounge singer, a trailer park hooker, a chubby intern, all of whom survived to testify against Slick Willy, ruin his and Hillary's political career, and nearly get him thrown out of office.
I don't know what a "gogle" is, but RRB s a character from a book that I read when I was ten years old. I use "nattybumppo", "captainahab" , "ggordonliddy" and "francismacomber" for the same reason.
Put away the old "Xfiles" videos and read "All the President's Men" if you really want to know something about the government's ability to keep a secret.
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Old 08-19-2019, 01:49 AM
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I read that book when it was released. A Long time ago. Back when the press was still reporting news.
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The report was that they thought it was the new nuclear powered cruise missile that Putin was extolling not too long ago. Low level high speed cruise missile that could fly around the world and hit a target. They showed it hitting the US while Putin was speaking.
https://www.vox.com/2019/8/13/208033...losion-skyfall

"That weapon, known as the Burevestnik in Russia or the SSC-X-9 Skyfall by NATO countries, would be the centerpiece of Moscow’s ability to threaten faraway targets like the US."
I read what a "izdelie 9M730" is .
But there is no evidence that exploded 9M730.
Everything again came down to "very likely" and "they thought"
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It was just some fireworks warehouse :P
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I read what a "izdelie 9M730" is .
But there is no evidence that exploded 9M730.
Everything again came down to "very likely" and "they thought"
From the article it is quite clear this was a nuclear powered missile that blew up. The quote is from Russia's nuclear Energy agency "Rosatom"


" Russia’s nuclear energy agency Rosatom put out a statement saying that five of its employees working at a military site in that region were killed, while three others “received injuries and burns of varying severity” due to an “accident.” Two days later, family members buried the five men.

Third, that same Rosatom statement also noted that the employees’ project included “engineering and technical support of isotopic power sources in a liquid propulsion system.” And then on Monday, the scientific director of the Russian Federal Nuclear Center confirmed that nuclear scientists at the site worked on “small-sized energy sources using radioactive fissile materials” at the time of the blast."

https://www.vox.com/2019/8/13/208033...losion-skyfall

isotopic power = radioactive isotope power source. Pretty clear to me.

Also, I have to believe Russia knows how to make a normal nuclear reactor by now. (same with normal nuclear bombs)
And the radiation was clearly spewed out of this explosion. So it was not a normal reactor, but rather some lightweght reactor being tested. And the Russian statement said that as well. "small sized energy sources using radioactive fissile materials".

I like the Russians just fine, as long as they aren't making some new doomsday weapon to kill us with. Then we have a slight problem.
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nice summary of russian missile development
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Whitewashing is in progress. Apparently people brought to the hospital were not radioactive and the doctor's contamination came from eating Fukushima affected crabs...

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/24/e...ntl/index.html
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For those of us who remember Chernobyl as the info dripped out, gradually getting worse & the cold war in general, this is not real surprising. Hell even most western countries lie about crap like that till it can't be lied about anymore.
Like Fukushima...

It is still pumping radiation into the environment every day with no idea when or how they can even stop it but we get crickets from the MSM about it.

I used to worry about mercury in tuna back in the good old days. LOL!
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This just in...

Fallout from Russia's mysterious missile disaster suggests a nuclear reactor blew up.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...cid=spartanntp
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The Russians have had troubles before with small reactors in ships, subs, and airplanes, so it seems natural that they'd try to put one in a cruise missile.
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He was in the submarine service.
Clancy was NOT a vet. English major that sold insurance until he became a writer. The US Navy then developed a major crush on him.
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As long as you get to add the "Obama" play, it makes the post sound better and assures you "likes".

Typical patriot! Let's degrade the military and nation because you read some blog. The bad you mentioned is minuscule compared to the other two.

The F35 was awful from the start but Cheney wanted the F14 gone, now we are stuck with a Trillion dollar mistake. Don't forget that the F14's are still around and better than the vast majority of the others you talk about.

The cold war style training is kicked up again due to Russia aggression and the fact our NATO allies have let their military's fade. We literally have to get them back to speed, not because we need to create a huge immobile army again.

No one compares to the US peer to peer! No one. Russia got **** stomped in both Syria and Ukraine.
https://taskandpurpose.com/russia-me...defeat-details
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...er-tiger-14136

The Red China Gov and PLA can't communicate, have issues with chain of command and can't keep a force ready to mobilized. They literally covent ARMY SIZE over modern abilities. Their leaders are old and out of touch with modern combat. No allies = no joint abilities to communicate during a combat exercise let alone during combat. Oh, let's not forget their old gear is handed me downs from a Russia that failed as a nation and the new gear is untested that lacks a command that can utilize the modern ammenities the gear gives them. But hey, they have cool knock-off Diggies, right?
https://warisboring.com/the-chinese-...-paper-dragon/

That's just China, if you feel the need to continue, I can break out the wrongs with Russia for you too.

If you feel the need to respond, have an idea of what you are talking about besides, but, but....Obama. It's weak at best.
WOW are you living in 1990?

The last US F14 flight was in 2007 they last were shredded a decade ago.

Don't know diddly about the chicom PLA.

The US started retraining for big war about 2years ago after ignoring it since 911. And our "NATO Allies" have bupkis to offer. On a good day the Germans could put an armored BATTALION and a 1/2 dozen aircraft in the field. The Brits a bit more. And shiny new aircraft carrier (with no aircraft). Pathetic
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Clancy was NOT a vet. English major that sold insurance until he became a writer. The US Navy then developed a major crush on him.
I didn't say anything about Clancy. I was saying "ImStillHere" was in the submarine service.
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The reason missiles basically replaced other systems like bombers, thousands of tanks in Europe, and standing armies, especially with the rest of NATO, was that they are much cheaper to build and maintain, and much more difficult to defend against. Cruise missiles are almost as effective as ICBMs, even cheaper to produce and deploy, but they don't have sufficient range to launch from China or Russia; you either need a navy or advanced bases, or you need to develop a cruise missile with intercontinental range over low altitudes, which is extremely difficult--hence Russia's attempts to build a hypersonic?, nuclear powered cruise missile. Sounds like the Russians might be half way there, but in this case, half of something is nothing.
That both the Russians and China have decided to abandon more expensive systems bodes well for the US and the West, in that it implies that both countries have budget problems. Like Khrushchev's avatar in "Strangelove" described when he complained that the Russian people wanted nylons and washing machines instead of expensive weapons systems, except that the remark also applies to China.
If there's a trade war, now's the time to have it. If we can put enough pressure on China for long enough, it might start looking more like Hong Kong.
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This just in...

Fallout from Russia's mysterious missile disaster suggests a nuclear reactor blew up.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...cid=spartanntp
Not really “just in”... I mean “everyone” knew what blew up when it happened. The Russians weren’t fooling anyone with their euphemisms.

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Like Fukushima...

It is still pumping radiation into the environment every day with no idea when or how they can even stop it but we get crickets from the MSM about it.

I used to worry about mercury in tuna back in the good old days. LOL!
And mercury will continue to be a greater threat. The amount of leakage into the ocean from Fukushima is negligible. Any sources claiming otherwise are selling clickbait or are militant antinuclear bloggers. This incident is, in the grand scheme of things, even less significant. It’s dangerous on a local level, but that’s about it.

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Correct..NUDET!.
Incorrect. not a NUDET. Unless you’re going to consider all thermal expansion created by the fission of nuclear materials a NUDET...

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That both the Russians and China have decided to abandon more expensive systems bodes well for the US and the West, in that it implies that both countries have budget problems.
Finally, someone who “gets it”. The Russian interest in many of these systems isn’t driven by some doomsday desire to bring the darkest thoughts of Stanley Kubrick to life... they’re borne out of the necessity to do more with less. The Sarmat... 15 to 20 RVs on a single launch vehicle with treaty-limited warhead counts? That’s a colossal gamble in a nuclear exchange, especially with the US’s silo-killing super-fused Trident D5s. But, it slashes the upkeep costs for their heavy ICBM force. The Poseidon... forces the US to spend money on countering it rather than spending money on adding more missile interceptors and makes it easier to “kill” SSBNs in port without relying on their inaccurate SLBM force or possibly under-yield SSGN weapons. I don’t think for a minute the Poseidon is about killing a carrier. And this monstrosity... the Russians need to replace their aging Bear (prop-driven) bombers, they don’t want to invest in a costly development program only to end up with a new weapon system that will be even more expensive to maintain... and this is as close to an unmanned bomber as they can get.
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Well, the Russians have their TU22 supersonic strategic backfire bombers. Who could need more than that?

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And mercury will continue to be a greater threat. The amount of leakage into the ocean from Fukushima is negligible. Any sources claiming otherwise are selling clickbait or are militant antinuclear bloggers. This incident is, in the grand scheme of things, even less significant. It’s dangerous on a local level, but that’s about it.



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More of that dilution is the solution garbage...

And it is a bunch of garbage...

That place is so hot that the robots die just trying to get a peek at the missing core, the tanks of contaminated water continue to stack up (besides what 'leaks' into the ocean every day), and they have still not come up with a way to empty the fuel storage pools above the mess which is another accident waiting to happen as badly damaged as that building is and you say it is somehow less significant?

Right...
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