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Old 08-06-2019, 02:40 PM
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Despite the media labeling these as reasonable and as a common sense way to do something to prevent shootings, which they obviously cannot do, except by accident, the red flag idea is simply a way to disarm anyone the left determined is a threat to their agenda.

The first reasonable step will likely be to begin to create a data base of people “everyone” can agree may go off the tracks at some point and so needs to be watched.

This list will be created from various inputs - the cumulative condemnation of a person’s persona on social media, hotlines where people will able to anonymously report anyone, and then official records will be used too. Erratic bill paying, moving traffic violations involving speeding or ignoring safety regulations: failure to fully stop, illegal turns, failure to yield right of way, will all be seen as character indicators. ATF forms - if you’re a gun owner, you’re on the list.

Credit card records will be gleaned for purchases of any kind which can help identify possible trouble makers, such as anything tied to the shooting sports and alcohol. All of the people identified this way will not have the chance to declare themselves of sound mind and good moral character, as such defenses will be considered quaint irrelevancies as this gathers steam.

Those on these lists will lose rights, becoming second class citizens and they will consequently be discriminated against in many ways. Plus, if we continue to follow the current leftist playbook (which is actually nothing more than the same old playbook of all the old socialist/communist regimes of the last century) while the left seeks further ascendency and then solidification of their position, they will bring back the camps: re-education at first, then extermination camps/gulags, in order to purge society of those evil ones.

If your MD asks if you own firearms, say no. If they already know you do, it might be a good idea to mention that you decided they weren’t a good thing any longer, and so you recently got rid of them. (If things truly go this way, think of a disposal method which wouldn’t be cause for receipts of sale). MDs began asking if there were firearms in the house under Obama - it was “wink-wink” about child safety. All the young docs seem to be staunch supporters of the policy and it’s implications. The older docs, not so much.

Our families medical records will be mined for histories of complaints about the various types of depression, mention of anger problems, substance uses (ETOH, pain meds, sleeping and wakefulness meds), and of any disorder or condition which can be considered a potential cause for impulsive behavior (ADHD, learning disabilities, diabetes, hormone disorders (except premenstrual dysphoric disorder) PTSD, chronic pain etc).

The non medical side of this will be driven by a combination of socialist politicians, the common media, plus social media, and will be justified under the simplistic belief that a thousand flies can’t all be wrong (true, unless they’re misinformed or liars).

It will be bullying like never seen before with one of it’s goals being to further disenfranchise white males, and openly defining them as a threat to everyone. Those white males identified as ex military, ex law enforcement, outdoors men, elderly, middle class, conservatives, etc will make the list. Besides our doctor and Google data mining algorithms, all it will take to get on the list will a vindictive ex spouse, girlfriend, neighbor, or bunch of bored kids doing an electronic version of a flash mob; there are many more ways I’ve missed.

Urge your elected representatives to resist following the herd - red flag laws will open the door to a place we don’t want to go.

I think instead we should ask them to support a law requiring those seeking public office to take the MMPI and release the results, so we can know their mental health before they’re allowed to run.

(The Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory (MMPI) is a psychological test that assesses personality traits and psychopathology. It is primarily intended to test people who are suspected of having mental health or other clinical issues).

https://psychcentral.com/lib/minneso...nventory-mmpi/
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These laws will be weaponized just like the Patriot act etc. Not a question of if but rather when.
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Default Strzok sues fbi/doj for "political firing"

What about his "political" corruption in the fraud perpetrated on the US public called Russia Collusion !


https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...driven-firing/



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If they intend to take this odious route, I recommend they tie it to national ccw reciprocity.

But that would be a compromise, and that’s not what the hags demand action wants.
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The Red Flag Law is an infringement on the 2A and the 4A. Period! It will do nothing to stifle future killers. It will do EVERYTHING to stifle a man's right to protect himself and his family. As usual, the LibTards (Democrat and Republican) pushing this law are looking at the issue from the wrong angle. Punishing law abiding people for the actions of some loonie tunes is a backwards step. But they already know that. The purpose isn't to "save innocent lives" but, rather, to disarm The People of the United States of America.

Another side effect of the law is that it will cause distrust and division within America's communities. Everyone will be looking at their neighbors as "potential terrorists." Many innocent gun owners will be turned into criminals based on the whims of some disgruntled employee; an ex-wife; a troublesome neighbor; or your angry teenager who wasn't allowed to go to that wild party last Friday night. Some old lady in the house across the street on prescription drugs sees you load your rifle in your truck as you head to the shooting range. She calls the cops and says she saw and armed and dangerous man. The cops come out; confiscate your legal weapon; and you get to spend the time and money to prove your innocence.

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We’ve been yelling about them taking our guns for years, for decades even. We’ve discussed ad nauseum how this would be done, how the door to door confiscation would occur. In the article below, which I wrote a while back, I tell you that these so called “Red Flag Laws” (RFL) are the vehicle the government will use to make these door to door actions legal. These RFL will be enacted on a bipartisan basis and then later bureaucratically and administratively tweaked by unelected desk drivers until the people in power are able to legally justify taking guns from anyone they wish at any time, for any reason.

Red Flag Laws ARE the door to door confiscation we’ve been ranting about for years. And Trump, the Republican Party and the Democrat Party are all going to be on board with it.

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the red flag law is an infringement on the 2a and the 4a. Period! It will do nothing to stifle future killers. It will do everything to stifle a man's right to protect himself and his family. As usual, the libtards (democrat and republican) pushing this law are looking at the issue from the wrong angle. Punishing law abiding people for the actions of some loonie tunes is a backwards step. But they already know that. The purpose isn't to "save innocent lives" but, rather, to disarm the people of the united states of america.

Another side effect of the law is that it will cause distrust and division within america's communities. Everyone will be looking at their neighbors as "potential terrorists." many innocent gun owners will be turned into criminals based on the whims of some disgruntled employee; an ex-wife; a troublesome neighbor; or your angry teenager who wasn't allowed to go to that wild party last friday night. Some old lady in the house across the street on prescription drugs sees you load your rifle in your truck as you head to the shooting range. She calls the cops and says she saw and armed and dangerous man. The cops come out; confiscate your legal weapon; and you get to spend the time and money to prove your innocence.

Thanks trump!!!
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We’ve been yelling about them taking our guns for years, for decades even. We’ve discussed ad nauseum how this would be done, how the door to door confiscation would occur. In the article below, which I wrote a while back, I tell you that these so called “Red Flag Laws” (RFL) are the vehicle the government will use to make these door to door actions legal. These RFL will be enacted on a bipartisan basis and then later bureaucratically and administratively tweaked by unelected desk drivers until the people in power are able to legally justify taking guns from anyone they wish at any time, for any reason.

Red Flag Laws ARE the door to door confiscation we’ve been ranting about for years. And Trump, the Republican Party and the Democrat Party are all going to be on board with it.

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Wow, the left sure is full of ****, aren't they?

They try to pull of this political fraud of Trump colluding with the Russians and even after the "special investigation" finds nothing they STILL try to sell that lie.

There are several issues here. First, they isn't much doubt that the left would try to weaponize this Red Flag Law and go after political enemies.

But the bigger issue is that the federal government is inept. There are people now who are buying weapons at gun stores who shouldn't be because someone somewhere dropped the ball and didn't do the paperwork they should have done.

It never fails to amaze me that the left, who have no actual solutions to any actual problems, needs more laws on the books. Why don't the liberal judges just make this part of the sentence for crimes such as family violence? In addition to any fines, time in jail, or community service why not just prohibit convicts from ever owning, possessing or buying any firearms ever again. That seems like that would work. But these half-wits on the left couldn't even do that. They are the ones who want to give convicts the same rights as everyone else. The right to vote, etc. These people don't know what they want.

The liars on the left don't have a solution for violence. No matter what they say.

If AR's and AK's were outlawed criminals would just use handguns. Just like the nut at Virginia Tech. Even if AR's and AK's were outlawed what are they going to do about the millions of these weapons in existence in the country? I'll tell you what they would do- not much.
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We’ve been yelling about them taking our guns for years, for decades even. We’ve discussed ad nauseum how this would be done, how the door to door confiscation would occur. In the article below, which I wrote a while back, I tell you that these so called “Red Flag Laws” (RFL) are the vehicle the government will use to make these door to door actions legal. These RFL will be enacted on a bipartisan basis and then later bureaucratically and administratively tweaked by unelected desk drivers until the people in power are able to legally justify taking guns from anyone they wish at any time, for any reason.

Red Flag Laws ARE the door to door confiscation we’ve been ranting about for years. And Trump, the Republican Party and the Democrat Party are all going to be on board with it.

https://freeamericannational.blogspo...-door.html?m=1
You sure can be a Debbie downer. One thing I know is that when I see a post of yours it's very unlikely to be about unicorns and rainbows.

The biggest reason you're such a downer is that what you say is truth.
I try to be optimistic and hope you're just being a bit negative, but in my heart I know you're correct.

It blows.
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It's not just the democrats.

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WASHINGTON — Congressional Republicans, under pressure to respond to this weekend’s massacres, appear to be coalescing around legislation to help law enforcement to take guns from those who pose an imminent danger — a measure that, if signed into law, would be the most significant gun ̶s̶a̶f̶e̶t̶y̶ confiscation legislation enacted in 20 years.
Hate to give msn clicks, but here's the source:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ess/ar-AAFqNjB

Caving is what republicans do best.

But the left is just getting started.

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California Governor Gavin Newsom proposed Monday that the U.S. as a whole adopt California’s new law requiring background checks for purchasing ammunition.
“I’d like to see them model California’s background check on ammunition purchases,” he said Monday, as quoted by the Sacramento Bee, in a meeting with state leaders about gun violence and white supremacy.

“Guns don’t kill people, guns require a dangerous component, and that’s ammunition.”
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It's not just the democrats.



Hate to give msn clicks, but here's the source:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ess/ar-AAFqNjB

Caving is what republicans do best.

But the left is just getting started.



https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...ground-checks/
I believe Lindsay Graham will be one of the first (if not the first) to propose a Red Flag Law. Leave it to that RINO to jump on the political bandwagon. Bunch of rats!
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You sure can be a Debbie downer. One thing I know is that when I see a post of yours it's very unlikely to be about unicorns and rainbows.

The biggest reason you're such a downer is that what you say is truth.
I try to be optimistic and hope you're just being a bit negative, but in my heart I know you're correct.

It blows.
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I believe Lindsay Graham will be one of the first (if not the first) to propose a Red Flag Law. Leave it to that RINO to jump on the political bandwagon. Bunch of rats!
He’s not a RINO. He’s a standard, true Republican.
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He’s not a RINO. He’s a standard, true Republican.
I stand corrected.
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He’s not a RINO. He’s a standard, true Republican.
Oh why not....


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The sheep will clear for the chains of slavery. They will praise the laws and demand more. The majority on this site will find it beautiful because their god trump told them its good
Trump could tell many these folks to jump off of a cliff and they'd do it in a heartbeat. I'm just sitting here watching a lot of otherwise good, decent, all-American types applaud Trump's Red Flag Laws as if it will, in some odd way, "make America great again." Bizarre, disappointing, frustrating, and almost surreal. How easy the mind of the masses can be manipulated, tricked, swayed, and controlled.
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The Red Flag Law is an infringement on the 2A and the 4A. Period! It will do nothing to stifle future killers. It will do EVERYTHING to stifle a man's right to protect himself and his family. As usual, the LibTards (Democrat and Republican) pushing this law are looking at the issue from the wrong angle. Punishing law abiding people for the actions of some loonie tunes is a backwards step. But they already know that. The purpose isn't to "save innocent lives" but, rather, to disarm The People of the United States of America.

Another side effect of the law is that it will cause distrust and division within America's communities. Everyone will be looking at their neighbors as "potential terrorists." Many innocent gun owners will be turned into criminals based on the whims of some disgruntled employee; an ex-wife; a troublesome neighbor; or your angry teenager who wasn't allowed to go to that wild party last Friday night. Some old lady in the house across the street on prescription drugs sees you load your rifle in your truck as you head to the shooting range. She calls the cops and says she saw and armed and dangerous man. The cops come out; confiscate your legal weapon; and you get to spend the time and money to prove your innocence.

Thanks Trump!!!
Judge Nap was on I believe yesterday and he said in his view all red flag law are unconstitutional. His basic reasoning was that they can make an otherwise innocent individual pay a penalty for a crime not committed. That's not the way our constitution and legal system work. I have yet to see any of the existing red flag laws challenged in court. Wish someone would so the supremes could eventually rule on them.
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Judge Nap was on I believe yesterday and he said in his view all red flag law are unconstitutional. His basic reasoning was that they can make an otherwise innocent individual pay a penalty for a crime not committed. That's not the way our constitution and legal system work. I have yet to see ant of the existing red flag laws challenged in court. Wish someone would so the supremes could eventually rule on them.
And how's that been working out? There are a myriad of laws of questionable constitutionality that no one is challenging.

Even here in AZ, our term limited Gov. Douchey is again making another push for his Red Flag laws. Republicans orgasmed in their pants to first elect and then reelect him. Not very many standing up and saying "Hey! WTF Doug?"
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He’s not a RINO. He’s a standard, true Republican.
You "apparently" have NO idea what defines a RINO. Graham is the poster child.
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