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Old 08-13-2019, 12:16 AM
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The difference is no one is forced to buy any of these products at the point of a gun!! Socialism/Communism has never brought anything but poverty, misery, and Death!!
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If the population did not grow ( or better yet shrank) , we would not need to run out of resources. Non renewable ones maybe but not stuff like food, because you can grow more. If you have more people than you can feed, you will have problems obviously.

Yes, U.S. already has socialism, ( I don't think any country has 100 % free market economy without taxes and rules, or is there?) but that's the point. The point is the U.S. economy depends on population growth. If the population stays the same or shrinks the whole economic system fails, because GDP needs to go up. Make sense? The same amount of people are not going to buy more and more stuff they don't need in half the cases , so you need more people. Example housing: if you have no new people, you build very few new houses. We live in a house that is about 70 years old. We will fix what falls apart. Many people do that. Same with cars. You can drive a used car for all your life . It's like that with almost anything.
There might be some new technology everyone wants to be like Iphones that nobody had 20 years ago, but there isn't enough of that to grow the economy. If the economy doesn't grow, the stock market goes down.
So they need more people. The result is the illegals are being let in, and refugees and anyone else that can come here and buy stuff.

As far as everyone getting educated and getting well paying jobs, I don't think that's possible. First, not everyone is intelligent enough . Second there are just not enough high paying jobs around. You say "get educated" but do you realize how ignorant a lot of the population is? Most are too stupid to pass high school algebra without trouble. How are these people going to become doctors, lawyers, engineers, pharmacists, or successful business people? Not
Population growth does not, and in the long run, is not gong to stop. It doesn't matter what economic theory is used it will always grow long term.

You are complaining that a person with an average IQ can't become a doctor or lawyer or scientist as an argument against my position a person needs to gain skills and abilities to make a good living. I'm not saying they will be a doctor, lawyer, or scientist, so your point is mute. There are plenty of jobs that simply require a bit of skill and some abilities and they pay well. Doctors, lawyers, and scientists are generally paid very well. The trades just about all pay well, and don't require a 4/6/8 year college commitment. There have been many recent news articles detailing that there are many jobs not being filled in our economy, simply because there aren't any qualified applicants to fill them. These jobs require specific skill sets and a bit of knowledge or ability that almost anybody can obtain without going through a lengthy bit of education.

If all you are looking for is reasons why something can't be done, then you will find innumerable reasons it can't be done. If you are looking for reasons why something can be done you will probably find one and it will be done.

A buddy of mine was a lifelong law enforcement officer. He hurt his back and was no longer able to be a police officer. He was unemployed for over a year. A neighbor of his knew of a job coming open at his work and told my friend about it. The only thing he had to do was learn how to use various computer programs. He had no knowledge or background in those programs, so he went to work teaching himself about them. He went to the bookstore (I don't remember which one) and bought a bunch of ...For Dummies books and taught himself how to use the programs over the course of a a few weeks. When the job announcement came out he knew everyone of the programs well enough to start working. It turned out he knew enough about the programs, several co-workers would ask him how to make the programs do certain things.

I pay a guy $40 each time he mows my yard. He spends less than 30 minutes doing it. Multiply that over 15-20 yards and he's looking at $400-800 per week for 5-10 hours work. bump that up to a 40 hour week and you are looking at $3200 per week. I have a small yard. My grandfather -in-law had a smaller yard that took 15 minutes from offload to heading down the road. He paid $30 each time. The skill required is the ability to sweat and that of a 12 year old child. A buddy of mine cut grass as a side hustle. He was a bit more expensive than my guy and wouldn't get out of his truck for less than $45. He said it took about two years to reimburse him for the cost of his equipment. After that, his only expense was gas, insurance and maintenance, which was not very expensive. He lamented several times that he missed not having several thousand in cash laying around the house.
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Population growth does not, and in the long run, is not gong to stop. It doesn't matter what economic theory is used it will always grow long term.
You are very misinformed. At this point in history ONLY populations in ****holes are still growing. ALL western and modern countries no longer have population growth. In some cases like Japan the population is shrinking at a rapid rate. The only reason the U.S. still has some population growth is because they import all these people from ****hole countries. It takes MORE than 2 kids a family for the population to grow. Very few families today have more than 2 kids ( I don't, I have 2), and many have none.

As for making lots of money doing lawn care. Most people do their own lawns ( ours is eaten by the goats :-) , not sure everyone can find enough lawns to mow. A few people I knew in Florida paid teenagers a few $ to mow their lawns, not $40. I think you are the exception

I don't disagree with you that there are a lot of lazy ass people that could be doing something to make money, but I doubt ALL could find well paying jobs.

One example I have is people working in a slaughter house cutting up meat. We could REALLY use on in our area, and the local ag extension has tried to bring someone here, but there are just too few people that want to do that job. The 2 in the area make a ton of money ( because you have to be a USDA facility to be able to sell any meat legally in the U.S., so you can't do it on your own farm). We have to drive to West Virginia to get ours done. But the people we go to are Americans, and don't have any illegals employed. That alone makes the trip worth it to me!
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At this point in history...

As for making lots of money doing lawn care. Most people do their own lawns ( ours is eaten by the goats :-) , not sure everyone can find enough lawns to mow. A few people I knew in Florida paid teenagers a few $ to mow their lawns, not $40. I think you are the exception

I don't disagree with you that there are a lot of lazy ass people that could be doing something to make money, but I doubt ALL could find well paying jobs.

One example I have is people working in a slaughter house cutting up meat. We could REALLY use on in our area, and the local ag extension has tried to bring someone here, but there are just too few people that want to do that job. The 2 in the area make a ton of money ( because you have to be a USDA facility to be able to sell any meat legally in the U.S., so you can't do it on your own farm). We have to drive to West Virginia to get ours done. But the people we go to are Americans, and don't have any illegals employed. That alone makes the trip worth it to me!
"At this point in history" is NOT long term. It is very short term.

Discounting specific examples does not disprove the idea. If you would actually think instead of robotically repeating some BS dogma, you might actually find plenty of opportunity to succeed in this country. I gave two examples of things that require little skill and knowledge to successfully earn money. There are plenty of other ways to earn a decent amount of income, without needing a lot of formal education, but that require a bit of effort to accomplish. I gave three examples of people doing exactly what the American dream was built on and doing it successfully. Just because you can find every excuse under the sun for it to not work doesn't mean it doesn't work.
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Here’s my little story on socialists.

My brother is in need of both kidneys and a pancreas.
I’ve taken off work to take him to the hospital.
I cannot be a donor due to my lung disease.
I cannot cut his grass due to my lung condition, it about kills me to do my own.

My nephew had a free ride to Penn State or West Point due to his stellar grades and JR ROTC in high school.

Instead he moved in with his mommy after my brother told him no sex with his underage girlfriend in my brothers house.
He ended up going to the local college after a year off because he was “stressed”.

Last night he posted on social media that something needs done about the people in Hong Kong being oppressed by the heavily armed police force.
I suggested air dropping them some AR’s.
He went off on one of his socialist “we need to help” others rants and I went off.

I made sure his fellow caring liberals know that he hasn’t once helped his own father get to dialysis but instead allows his 67 year old grandmother do so while she uses my vehicle and my gas money.
That I have been paying my brothers neighbor to cut his grass while the helpful socialist site at home playing video games to “de-stress”.

That multiple people have applied to be a kidney donor including numerous strangers yet the helpful socialist has been too busy.

I told him to go to hell and take his liberal socialism with him as it’s shoved up his posterior orifice.
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"At this point in history" is NOT long term. It is very short term.


Just because you can find every excuse under the sun for it to not work doesn't mean it doesn't work.

I don't think birth control and woman not wanting to have 10 kids is "short term" , unless we turn into a islamic terrorist country where women have no rights at all and are forced to reproduce

And I hope you are not talking about ME not succeeding in this country ?! I was a licensed civil engineer for 20 years before I became a farmer....
one of my kids is in the Navy, the other one working on a engineering degree
But I have known people personally that had a hard time finding a decent paying job WITH a degree. Getting the job I had , husband getting his was very very hard, and we are both above average intelligence. Some of it was just luck, being in the right place at the right time, talking to the right people which led to intern jobs during college, which got us permanent jobs. Not everyone managed to do that. I know at least 2 people that graduated with us with engineering degrees that ended up in mediocre paying sales jobs not even related to anything technical.
Some people are just not in good enough physical shape to do certain jobs. My daughter told me when she had her physical to get into the Navy that HALF the people got disqualified right away and could not enlist because they were just not healthy enough. That's terrible! How are these people going to mow lawns all day in typical US 90 degree summer weather?
I think your idea of what the average population in the US can do at this point is very very overoptimistic

besides, where did I ever defend socialism!?? My comment was that the way the current US capitalist system works sucks also, that;s all. You can't argue that way, not all is awesome in the US economy, considering the debt is sky high and half the people are on welfare
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If the population did not grow ( or better yet shrank) , we would not need to run out of resources. Non renewable ones maybe but not stuff like food, because you can grow more. If you have more people than you can feed, you will have problems obviously.

Yes, U.S. already has socialism, ( I don't think any country has 100 % free market economy without taxes and rules, or is there?) but that's the point. The point is the U.S. economy depends on population growth. If the population stays the same or shrinks the whole economic system fails, because GDP needs to go up. Make sense? The same amount of people are not going to buy more and more stuff they don't need in half the cases , so you need more people. Example housing: if you have no new people, you build very few new houses. We live in a house that is about 70 years old. We will fix what falls apart. Many people do that. Same with cars. You can drive a used car for all your life . It's like that with almost anything.
There might be some new technology everyone wants to be like Iphones that nobody had 20 years ago, but there isn't enough of that to grow the economy. If the economy doesn't grow, the stock market goes down.
So they need more people. The result is the illegals are being let in, and refugees and anyone else that can come here and buy stuff.

As far as everyone getting educated and getting well paying jobs, I don't think that's possible. First, not everyone is intelligent enough . Second there are just not enough high paying jobs around. You say "get educated" but do you realize how ignorant a lot of the population is? Most are too stupid to pass high school algebra without trouble. How are these people going to become doctors, lawyers, engineers, pharmacists, or successful business people? Not
If the population shrank, what would collapse would be the social programs. The economic system would adjust and new jobs would be created. People would work less and the cost of food would drop.

Capitalism can handle a shrinking population just fine. In fact the cost of goods starts to drop.

food, shelter, medical care, and basic clothing are all we need. Everything else are luxuries.
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Actually, it does. That's why it's called "capitalism." The profits earned from sales are reinvested to expand production: that's your "capital."
that is not a requirement of capitalism. You are just making **** up.

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Here are the key elements of capitalism. There is ZERO requirement to expand production through reinvestment of capital.

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Capitalism in the U.S. or anywhere else requires growth. That's why companies want to see not just profitability but even increasing profitability given competition. The government itself wants to see increasing GDP. The same goes for households in the same country: they want their income and returns on investment to grow.
There is no doubt that people *want* growth but there is no structural requirement for growth.
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If the population shrank, what would collapse would be the social programs. The economic system would adjust and new jobs would be created. People would work less and the cost of food would drop.

Capitalism can handle a shrinking population just fine. In fact the cost of goods starts to drop.

food, shelter, medical care, and basic clothing are all we need. Everything else are luxuries.
Capitalism cannot handle a shrinking population because it is dependent on continuous economic growth.

That is, businesses in capitalist systems profit, and profits are re-invested in businesses to expand production. To earn from increase production, there has to be more consumers, which means a growing population. At the same time, business expansion requires more workers, and that is also based on a growing population.

Businesses may assume that consumer markets may remain static, and that each consumer may buy increasing amounts of goods each time given planned obsolescence, but that's not likely. Automation can be used to minimize employment, but robots don't buy what is produced. That's why the same businesses consider overseas markets, which is exactly what happened during the last few decades on a global scale.

In addition, socialists may argue that people will be satisfied with basic needs, but not capitalists. The latter argue that as people become more prosperous, then they look for luxuries, including computers and accessing this forum. This is also notable because luxuries have higher profit margins, especially goods that are cheap relative to their price and are made to appear valuable thanks to marketing. That coupled with planned obsolescence ensures more sales plus "new and improved" products each time, which people will eagerly get because their favorite sports and showbiz idols (also earning from mass media corporations owned by the same capitalists) endorse them. Not surprisingly, those are the same corporations that implicitly tell people that greed and pleasure are good, and that the latter should be more productive ("work hard") so that they can "play hard."

The irony is that the utopia of both capitalism and communism is actually a world where people will "work less" and costs drop thanks to the magic of technology, like the world depicted in Star Trek. The mainstream believes this bright future, which is why such shows are showbiz hits.
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Actually, it's giving your money in exchange for something of greater value, and for several decades part of it (sometimes much) is usually virtual value, such as a brand name, something endorsed by celebrities, or something that looks pretty.

Also, capitalism may involve "taking your money against your will and shoving something down your throat that you never asked for." Vince Packard calls it "the hidden persuaders," and it's also connected to virtual value. That is, people will tend to pay large amounts of money for something because of the brand name, celebrity endorsement, or because it looks pretty, such as sports cars, Hollywood tent-pole flicks, and jewelry. But the actual or practical value of the product is usually much lower than what was paid for it.

Other tactics are employed to maintain the buying binge, such as product obsolescence. That is, products are designed such that they should break down or become obsolete after a much shorter period of time. That way, business cycles are maintained.
Codswhallop. Poppycock. Flapdoodle, even.

Would you trade something you have for something you do not if the something you do not was not worth more to you than the something you have? No, you would not. That is the basis of free market economics. You value what I have more than you value what you have, butbthe converse is also true. I value what you have more than I value what I have. Elsewise, one of us will not voluntarily transact business.

That is to say, yes, the $10 is worth more to me than the widget I sold you, but the widget is worth more to you than the $10 you paid me. I got $10 for a widget that cost me $7 to make, while you got a widget that is worth more than the wallet sized portrait of Alexander Hamilton that you gave me.

As for virtual value, where is the compulsion? Neither Nike nor Michael Jordan FORCED you to buy $300 athletic shoes. YOU decided that owning them, and the prestige/fashion wherewithal they imparted, was worth more to YOU than those $300.

But let's take this example up to 30,000 feet and look down at the big picture, shall we? In capitalist economies, excess wealth allows people to overpay for designer sneakers, whereas in socialist countries, the people can't often afford even crappy and mundane shoes. Heck, in China today, there are still people cobbling together makeshift sandals from old tires.

So you can stick your virtual value where the sun don't shine.
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that is not a requirement of capitalism. You are just making **** up.

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Here are the key elements of capitalism. There is ZERO requirement to expand production through reinvestment of capital.
Actually, there's also state capitalism. The best example is China, which is ironically actively competing with the U.S.

Even the Asian tiger economies have similar principles, i.e., non-democracies and protectionism. These go against free market capitalism.

There is "ZERO requirement to expand production through reinvestment of capital" only if the population remains flat or starts dropping or if there is no competition.
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Here’s my little story on socialists.

My brother is in need of both kidneys and a pancreas.
I’ve taken off work to take him to the hospital.
I cannot be a donor due to my lung disease.
I cannot cut his grass due to my lung condition, it about kills me to do my own.

My nephew had a free ride to Penn State or West Point due to his stellar grades and JR ROTC in high school.

Instead he moved in with his mommy after my brother told him no sex with his underage girlfriend in my brothers house.
He ended up going to the local college after a year off because he was “stressed”.

Last night he posted on social media that something needs done about the people in Hong Kong being oppressed by the heavily armed police force.
I suggested air dropping them some AR’s.
He went off on one of his socialist “we need to help” others rants and I went off.

I made sure his fellow caring liberals know that he hasn’t once helped his own father get to dialysis but instead allows his 67 year old grandmother do so while she uses my vehicle and my gas money.
That I have been paying my brothers neighbor to cut his grass while the helpful socialist site at home playing video games to “de-stress”.

That multiple people have applied to be a kidney donor including numerous strangers yet the helpful socialist has been too busy.

I told him to go to hell and take his liberal socialism with him as it’s shoved up his posterior orifice.
Donating generally goes against capitalism, where maximization of profit is sought by monetizing anything.
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There is no doubt that people *want* growth but there is no structural requirement for growth.
The "structural requirement" is competition.
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that is not a requirement of capitalism. You are just making **** up.

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Here are the key elements of capitalism. There is ZERO requirement to expand production through reinvestment of capital.
Careful, it's a trap!

"Capitalism" is a term coined by Karl Marx to misrepresent free market economics. It is a pejorative. But, much like "Yankee Doodle," it has been adopted by those it meant to disparage, and is now used as a badge of honour. The flaw, of course, is that people are proudly subscribing to an intentionally poisoned misrepresentation of their beliefs, and of reality itself.
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Donating generally goes against capitalism, where maximization of profit is sought by monetizing anything.
And yet free market economies are the most generous, largely because they are the only ones that can afford to be.
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Donating generally goes against capitalism, where maximization of profit is sought by monetizing anything.
I don’t know what that has to do with my story but thanks for the reply.


My point was that an avowed socialist who preaches sharing and caring on an hourly basis on social media is a flaming hypocrite like all other socialists.
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I don't think birth control and woman not wanting to have 10 kids is "short term" , unless we turn into a islamic terrorist country where women have no rights at all and are forced to reproduce
Again currently this is a short term issue and only in some countries. As you stated ****hole countries are still experiencing population growth. There is no reason to limit the market to just one or two or a handful of countries. There is no reason not to expand the market for whatever product into other countries.

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And I hope you are not talking about ME not succeeding in this country ?! I was a licensed civil engineer for 20 years before I became a farmer....
one of my kids is in the Navy, the other one working on a engineering degree
But I have known people personally that had a hard time finding a decent paying job WITH a degree. Getting the job I had , husband getting his was very very hard, and we are both above average intelligence. Some of it was just luck, being in the right place at the right time, talking to the right people which led to intern jobs during college, which got us permanent jobs. Not everyone managed to do that. I know at least 2 people that graduated with us with engineering degrees that ended up in mediocre paying sales jobs not even related to anything technical.
It seems you missed that I was referencing a statement I had made. I'll repeat it in a more formal use of the English language. If all one does is look for reasons a task can't be completed, then the task can't and won't be completed. If one looks for reasons why a task can be completed, it will be completed over the objections of those who say it can't be done.

You seem to be stuck on the idea that some people just don't have it in them to make or earn the resources to be able to live. In nature those creatures are the ones who die off quickly.

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Some people are just not in good enough physical shape to do certain jobs. My daughter told me when she had her physical to get into the Navy that HALF the people got disqualified right away and could not enlist because they were just not healthy enough. That's terrible! How are these people going to mow lawns all day in typical US 90 degree summer weather?
I think your idea of what the average population in the US can do at this point is very very overoptimistic
No, not everyone can go out and mow lawns. As a matter of fact, I can no longer do it, so I pay someone to do it for me. EVERYONE has a skill, ability, or interest that if practiced and developed would most likely be able to be sold for monetary gain. Many of those skills are low skilled, mundane tasks and many people are willing to pay to have done rather than do it themselves.

My neighbor hires a handyman to do most of the projects around his house. Just about all of the projects can easily be completed by a person with average intellect and ability.

I learned to hang crown moulding from my cabinet guy. He told me cut it upside down. That was the extent of my training. My first project was using $5 per foot moulding when we were broke. I saved a lot on that job. The crown was supposed to be installed by my cabinet guy, but he went out of business before finishing the job. I had custom cabinets installed for about $6k. The terms of the contract stated he received the last half of payment upon completing of the job. He never completed it so he never received the last payment. The bad part was he had less than $300 of work left to complete to receive the other $6k. I had a lot of incentive to not screw up the task, and I didn't. The kitchen was a big selling point on that house. That same house I learned how to apply knockdown texture to my ceiling. The quotes I received for the job were around $1k to do. I did it for less than $50.

My last house I learned how to replace a kitchen and did it myself. I learned from YouTube and looking at how it was installed. I installed it for less than $9k. To have someone do it was about $16k. I learned how to install a paver patio. I paid about $300 for the materials and saved $2k by doing it myself. I recently learned how to repair a soft water system. To pay someone to do it would have cost about $250. It cost me less than $100 and a couple hours of time. All it took was 30 minutes on YouTube.

A buddy of mine liked to fix cars. He would buy cars that didn't work, fix them and sell them for a profit as aside job. Another liked to fix '60s muscle cars. As a hobby he buys trashed cars and fixes them enough to sell for a profit.

On another forum a guy was talking about his retirement business of cleaning HVAC ducts in houses. He said he learned it quickly and is making a good retirement income.

Anybody can learn to clean a toilet and a house. In my area it would cost us $200 to have someone clean all three of our bathrooms and could be completed in about 90 minutes.

These are all things anybody can learn. All it takes is a bit of motivation and desire to learn and do them.

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besides, where did I ever defend socialism!?? My comment was that the way the current US capitalist system works sucks also, that;s all. You can't argue that way, not all is awesome in the US economy, considering the debt is sky high and half the people are on welfare
Where did I ever criticize you for defending socialism? You are criticizing the American economy. I agree that there is a lot to criticize. The ironic thing is most of the problems with the US economy are due to the socialistic programs and policies that have been implemented. They have stifled the free market economy to the point where many now think it is impossible to earn a decent living.

Even though you are justifiably criticizing the bad portions of the economy, you seem to be taking a position that the answer to the bad parts of the economy are more of what is making the economy bad. You seem to be taking the position that a lot people can't earn money so they have to suck off government programs. I am taking the opposite position that most people can earn a decent wage, if they would go out and try. If they would learn the skills that are in demand. Many of those skills don't require a formal college education. Many of the skills in demand right now are skills that a person can learn relatively quickly.

We have people who are complaining that the $15 minimum wage is cutting into their government benefits, so they need to work less than 40 hours per week so they don't lose benefits. We have people complaining that no skill entry level jobs do not pay enough to live on. These jobs were not meant to live on. They were meant for beginning workers to learn skills and a work ethic that would lead to higher wages in the future. People are not expected to stay in these jobs their entire life.

When I first stared working I had a job that was 12 hour days 6 days a week. I made just enough to not make it to the end of the month every month. It wasn't long before I realized I needed to make a change. I did. Less than 20 years later I had developed my skills and abilities enough so that I could afford to send my youngest child to one of the best private schools in the area. I drove higher end vehicles. I was able to put a good amount of money away for a rainy day and for retirement. So don't tell me it can't be done.
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A response from Tom, a guy that just bought a new sports car.

Our youth, 20's and 30-year old's.... need this lesson.

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A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said, "I wonder how many people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost."

I replied I am not sure;

it fed a lot of families in Bowling Green, Kentucky who built it,

it fed the people who make the tires,

it fed the people who made the components that went into it,

it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the wires,

it fed people in Decatur IL. at Caterpillar who make the trucks that haul the copper ore.

It fed the trucking people who hauled it from the plant to the dealer

and fed the people working at the dealership and their families.

BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really don’t know how many people it fed.

That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality.

When you buy something, you put money in people’s pockets and give them dignity for their skills.

When you give someone something for nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self-worth.

Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of value.

Socialism is taking your money against your will and shoving something down your throat that you never asked for.

As a former teacher, I would advise people to teach teens "how" to think rather than "what" to think. Then if he researches history and studies, he can make his own decision. But if you tell him what he should believe and how he should think, you are no different that the U.S.S.R. or Hitler and he may just give up everything and end up killing himself. Our school system is bad because too many teachers tell a kid what to think. If he goes to a Christian school, they tell him who he should follow, as does a Mormon school. Do we have so little faith in our children that we don't believe they can learn to think and draw conclusions on their own?
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I don’t know what that has to do with my story but thanks for the reply.


My point was that an avowed socialist who preaches sharing and caring on an hourly basis on social media is a flaming hypocrite like all other socialists.
Your story is about an avowed socialist and not about socialists in general. It is also partly about socialism, as the ideology refers to resources shared by a community.

In contrast, capitalism is more of an economic system than an ideology, with profit as the main goal. That means monetizing many things, including organ donations. With competition, it involves maximization of profits.
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