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Old 06-01-2019, 08:37 PM
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I was trying to get google to tell me when the Roman church first initiated a priesthood and its hierarchy but somehow ended up with this interesting hit.

https://www.desiringgod.org/articles...pope-come-from
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Oh I thought you were talking about the Marxist that lives in a walled city and tells everyone else walls are evil.
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I was trying to get google to tell me when the Roman church first initiated a priesthood and its hierarchy but somehow ended up with this interesting hit.

https://www.desiringgod.org/articles...pope-come-from

Eddie, total Protestant babble.

The institution of the Papacy and the unbroken line from Peter on is well documented. That guy is correct in that the early years were definitely formative, and the Heirarchy by nature would have expanded as the breadth and scope of the Church expanded as well.

If you are really interested and trying to understand why we are so sure of Jesus' designation of a leader (how many organizations do you know of that doesn't have the ultimate go-to guy?), I'd suggest poking around www.catholic.com. Catholic Answers have top notch apologists and have posted a gazillion answers to such questions. So getting info from both sides is a precursor to being able to make informed decisions, don't you think?

I'd be happy to chat after you've done a bit of further research.
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Maybe this will help Eddie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_popes#1st_century

Then you can scroll all the way down
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I was trying to get google to tell me when the Roman church first initiated a priesthood and its hierarchy but somehow ended up with this interesting hit.
I think you are asking two separate questions. The Christian Church had priests and bishops from the beginning, the Bible even cites qualifications for them. The question of papal supremacy and ex-cathedral rose many, many years later.
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I was trying to get google to tell me when the Roman church first initiated a priesthood and its hierarchy but somehow ended up with this interesting hit.

https://www.desiringgod.org/articles...pope-come-from
IMO there will never be any agreement over the Pope. The history, the priesthood, the bishops etc.

IMHO...the priority is to be respectful on both sides and treat each other in a way that glorifies Christ and recognize we are mere humans.

The alternative is to play "big-mouth religious guy" who say's he's gonna-straighten-THEM-out and cause all kinds of strife and hatred. Then claim he's called to do so by the Lord. Cause it works so very well

I know I will need mercy one day, I have no doubt. The word tells us that the same mercy we dish out will be measured back to us. I want to throw it around like confetti all I can.
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I think you are asking two separate questions. The Christian Church had priests and bishops from the beginning, the Bible even cites qualifications for them. The question of papal supremacy and ex-cathedral rose many, many years later.

Incorrect.
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I was trying to get google to tell me when the Roman church first initiated a priesthood and its hierarchy but somehow ended up with this interesting hit.

https://www.desiringgod.org/articles...pope-come-from
Great find and good link. Hats off to Eddie.
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Trog, you made me laugh. Bless you!
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I think you are asking two separate questions. The Christian Church had priests and bishops from the beginning, the Bible even cites qualifications for them. The question of papal supremacy and ex-cathedral rose many, many years later.
Correct!
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The word catholic: The word catholic comes from the Greek phrase καθόλου, meaning "on the whole"

So this Priest is engaged in dishonesty to further a cult version of God's universal church known as the Roman Catholic Church. The RCC is not a church that recognizes God's church as a whole but as a human dictated organization that purports to control everything from forgiveness to freedom of worship to socialism as determined by one man called Pope.
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The first "pope" was traditionally Saint Peter. However the idea of the pope of Rome being the head of the Catholic Church was a very gradual process, that literally took centuries to evolve.

In the early days of the Church (the first century AD.) almost ANY bishop or church leader would be called "pope" (from the Roman word meaning "father"). The idea of THE Pope was unknown.

There was virtually no organization to the Church. Individual Christian groups in cities would form churches (or more like "friendly associations"), which were almost completely autonomous. There was no centralized authority governing such things as doctrine. Except for Communion and Baptism (along with preaching), there really were no established common rituals. They could do pretty-much what they wanted.

That's where all the different "heresies" (such as Gnosticism) got their start.

However the tradition that Peter had been the successor to Jesus on Earth, and that the pope of Rome was the first leader of the Church, always remained constant in Christianity. In addition, the city of Rome itself had a pre-eminence that no other cities in the Roman Empire could match.

As the Roman Empire in the West gradually weakened and eventually fell, the bishop of Rome became more and more to be considered the real authority. It was Leo I (the Great) in middle 400's that really started to assert papal leadership.

This was developed further by the efforts of Gregory I (590-614). However there were many digressions and steps-back in the development of Papal authority.

It really wasn't until after the year 1000 AD, and into the Middle Ages, that the Pope became acknowledged as the undisputed head of the Western Church. And the Papacy became the institution that we recognize today.
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The word catholic: The word catholic comes from the Greek phrase καθόλου, meaning "on the whole"

So this Priest is engaged in dishonesty to further a cult version of God's universal church known as the Roman Catholic Church. The RCC is not a church that recognizes God's church as a whole but as a human dictated organization that purports to control everything from forgiveness to freedom of worship to socialism as determined by one man called Pope.
Is it alright if I call you Catholic from now on?
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Long before 1,000 AD
All the (real) churches agreed that the Bishop of Rome was preeminent
That is a fact, fact beyond dispute
Hundreds of years later, after the fact, post 1,000 AD the church splintered and kept splintering
What is another fact, fact beyond duspute, is that there are no denominations in Heaven
The is only one Denomination and it does not exist on earth
Denominitations suck
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Probably the first 3-4 Popes after Saint Peter were good men the majority there after to include the one today came from POOP.
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PSALMS is a very good Book of the Bible , now if the LEADERSHIP of the Catholic church , (not all Catholics are corrupt , just some of their leaders ) had been upright men of God the Protestant Reformation would have never been needed nor taken place. JMHO and S/FI!
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The papal concept is fine in religious matters pertaining to the church, but his butt crosses the line when he gets into politics. The Catholic Church's political activism does not have a stellar history.

And yes, I'm Catholic and as a nationalist Constitutionalist American, the current pope offends the hell out of me. So his "opinions" on matters outside the church can be stuffed. (location is optional)...
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Trog dude , man I ain't Anti-Catholic , Baptist , Methodist , Eastern Orth, Greek Orth or ANTI-anything Judeo/Christian values and principles that established , served and protected WESTERN CIVILIZATION for the betterment of the World. S/FI!
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PSALMS is a very good Book of the Bible , now if the LEADERSHIP of the Catholic church , (not all Catholics are corrupt , just some of their leaders ) had been upright men of God the Protestant Reformation would have never been needed nor taken place. JMHO and S/FI!

A very wise post, Tenngrizz.
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