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The only thing evolution will do is make us better killers.

Most likely a race of Jabba the huts with really good reflexes and intelligence managing drones.
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World peace is a fantasy.
In your mind, obviously. But if you had read the remaining points, you might have gathered that once humanity is colonizing outer space, via GIANT habitats and vivariums, the reasons for warfare diminish if not vanish entirely.

#1 reason for any war is survival, meaning that without fighting and/or taking someone else's land, property, liberty, etc, the participant is doomed.
#2 reason for any war is expansion room needed for growing population.
#3 reason for any war is greed - especially when driven by demands of usury.

I stipulate that once we have established a growing fleet of giant habitats, the major reasons for war vanish.
In outer space, all elements are present, as is a fusion reactor running 24/7. Expansion room is "astronomical" if you'll pardon the pun.

Why bother advocating space colonization? The alternative is genocide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

The GEORGIA GUIDESTONES suggest a world population of only 500,000,000. This will require a 93% reduction in world population. Only one out of every 14 will live.

Frankly, I would rather not condemn 93% to death, nor eradicate their children’s children’s children.

Though I enjoy science fiction, I am not of the opinion that we should give up space colonization until we have better propulsion systems or limit it to terrestrial planets, etc.

MANY EARTHS

Surface area of Earth: 510,072,000 km2 (196,940,000 sq mi), or one “Terrestrial” or Terr.
. . .
An “Island Three” O’Neill dual cylinder space habitat has an equivalent of 0.0021 Terrestrials, in surface area. (If subdivided into concentric cylindrical decks)
. . .
To reach one Terrestrial, 475 space habitats would need to be constructed. If the production cycle was 20 years per habitat, and each habitat built another, it would only take 9 cycles or 180 years (9 x 20 years).
If we started building Colony One in 2040,

2040: 0
2060: 1
2080: 3
2100: 7
2120: 15
2140: 31
2160: 63
2180: 127
2200: 255
2220: 511 <<1.07 Terrs.
2240: 1023 <2.14 Terrs.
2260: 2047 <4.38 Terrs.
2280: 4095 <8.76 Terrs.
. . .
3000: 2.815 e+14 < 5.911 e+11 Terrs (0.591 Trillion Terrs)
4000: 3.169 e+29 < 1.331 e+27 Terrs (3.169 Octillion Terrs)

The obvious point is that colonizing space via orbiting habitats is far more efficient and practical than seeking equivalent terrestrial planets, or terraforming planets in our own solar system.

Likewise, it is a far simpler manner to colonize other star systems if we don't have to rely on finding a terrestrial planet of suitable parameters. We can park orbital colonies in practically any star system, as long as there are sufficient resources in orbit around the star.

Even at 0.1 lightspeed, we can "crawl" across the galaxy and colonize it in half a billion years or so.
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To put it into perspective, what resources are available?

ASTEROID MINING

Scientists think the M-type (metallic) asteroid 16 Psyche is comprised mostly of metallic iron and nickel similar to Earth’s core.
https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/asteroi...yche/in-depth/
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16 Psyche (asteroid) mass : (2.23±0.36)×10^19 kg

From this one asteroid, one could build 546,256,494,080 battleships of the Iowa Class.
IOWA class battleship weighs 45,000 tons (40,823,313.3 kg, or 40,823 metric tonnes)

{Of course, we’d rather build autonomous space colonies, instead of armored dreadnoughts in space.}
An O’Neill cylinder 5 miles x 20 miles, 1304 decks, holding approx. 10.36 million crew.
Massing 26,742 megatonnes per colony
Estimated 833,895 space colonies could be built from ONE ASTEROID.
At capacity, these colonies could support a population of 8,639,152,200,000
8.6 trillion.
From material taken from one asteroid.

In short, no need for any invasion of another planet, alien or otherwise, when it is far more effective to construct giant habitats and vivariums.

And if you and your ethnic subgroup want to peel off and do "your own thang," go for it. Commission an empty shell, and surf gravity to an unused orbital position. . . along the ecliptic or offset by any angle you wish.
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"I disagree. We could get to mars provided we use the right orbital window so it’s close. And while it would be dangerous a human could make it and make it back. It would just require lots of money and pre staging some gear there."
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So using the shortest orbital window is estimated at 6-8 months - One way.

What work can the human do there and for how long before they have to make the 6-8 month flight back? 16+ months roundtrip + work duration.

We're not going there for a redux of the first moon landing. Base construction has to begin. It's not just about "going there".

Human physiology isn't doing so well now at the ISS after 12 months........the Mars trip would be longer, at speed, with work required in the middle.

Right now we're flying in space with 3rd generation space craft........akin to Model T Fords in automotive development. We have not improved human survivability much?
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"I disagree. We could get to mars provided we use the right orbital window so it’s close. And while it would be dangerous a human could make it and make it back. It would just require lots of money and pre staging some gear there."
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So using the shortest orbital window is estimated at 6-8 months - One way.

What work can the human do there and for how long before they have to make the 6-8 month flight back? 16+ months roundtrip + work duration.

We're not going there for a redux of the first moon landing. Base construction has to begin. It's not just about "going there".

Human physiology isn't doing so well now at the ISS after 12 months........the Mars trip would be longer, at speed, with work required in the middle.

Right now we're flying in space with 3rd generation space craft........akin to Model T Fords in automotive development. We have not improved human survivability much?
No money for that. The NASA budget is 4/10 of 1% of the federal budget! It's like dead last. More money is spent studying the mating habits of panda bears and primates, or grants to people that wanna go to college for an underwater basket weaving degree than on our space program.

Meanwhile we as a nation are falling further and further behind in mathematics and science. 16 countries are now pumping out more quality people with an education heavy in math and science than the us. Brazil of all places is ahead of us in the aero space industry.

Millions of Americans can't do basic math and even more can not grasp Newtonian physics that have been around for a couple hundred years.

Dumb. Numb. And blissfully unaware that the US which used to be the leader in innovation and technology is becoming obsolete.

Comfortable and fat. Lazy. And stupid


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No money for that. [technically speaking, no money has circulated since 1933]

The NASA budget is 4/10 of 1% of the federal budget! . . .
Meanwhile we as a nation are falling further and further behind in mathematics and science. . . . [No career growth for those - don't need them for flipping burgers and furniture stroking.]
Millions of Americans can't do basic math and even more can not grasp Newtonian physics that have been around for a couple hundred years.
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Dumb. Numb. And blissfully unaware that the US which used to be the leader in innovation and technology is becoming obsolete.
. . .
Comfortable and fat. Lazy. And stupid
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Ignorance, apathy, yet arrogance in defense of stupidity is the American Way.

If you've followed any of my other posts about the republican form, money, and law, you might glean that what is written in the law is 180 degrees from what most Americans are taught to believe.

Who benefits from American stupidity?

"The Powers That Be."
#1 are the usurers, who understand money madness and keep the sheeple grazing on the national pasture, ignorant of repeated sheerings.
#2 are the "elite" owners / controllers of local resources, businesses, and financing.
#3 are the collectivist slavers, who use government to "take" from one to "give" to another, minus a healthy cut of the action.
(Let's not forget all the "little people" who aid and abet the "crime against America" for a better padding on their chains or a bigger cell. And a big shout out to the lawyers who should know better but don't act it.)

Thus Americans are enmeshed in a massive "tax and bribe" form of mismanagement, led to endlessly squabble over who gets bribed and who gets the bill.
But that's life under the People's Democratic Socialist Republic.
By your consent.
Since 1933.
(Hmmm, maybe that's when we WERE invaded and taken over?)
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No money for that. The NASA budget is 4/10 of 1% of the federal budget! It's like dead last. More money is spent studying the mating habits of panda bears and primates, or grants to people that wanna go to college for an underwater basket weaving degree than on our space program.



Meanwhile we as a nation are falling further and further behind in mathematics and science. 16 countries are now pumping out more quality people with an education heavy in math and science than the us. Brazil of all places is ahead of us in the aero space industry.



Millions of Americans can't do basic math and even more can not grasp Newtonian physics that have been around for a couple hundred years.



Dumb. Numb. And blissfully unaware that the US which used to be the leader in innovation and technology is becoming obsolete.



Comfortable and fat. Lazy. And stupid





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It's a problem in all western nations. The UK had a worldwide admired education system... now I'd say it's the worst in western Europe and far behind some of its former colonies like Hong Kong or Singapore. The current school education system in Spain is a shadow of its former self.

The countries that created the Industrial Revolution (England and Scotland) and created a worldwide empire are an empty husk. Pretty husk (a bit damp), but hollowed out.

I lived there for ten years. My observation is that the British of old are almost extinct, replaced by cynical, eunuch bleeding-heart upper middle class arrogant twats and third world immigrants in London, and beaten into socialism-loving and welfare dependency sheepdom elsewhere, all by the hand and design of their very own political establishment.

I feel very sorry for those few, powerless and without a voice Old English and Scotts that remain (and Welsh and Irish). Notice how all levers are pulled against Brexit.

Modern British culture (watch their movies and TV and read their XXI century novels) can be summed up as: all brown people are fabulous & vibrant, while all native British are uneducated & willingly ignorant racists

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I disagree. So does science.

You don't think intelligence is an adaptation? If our brains don't evolve we'd still be swinging from the trees and using poo as a weapon.

If you believe in evolution then you understand that the brain of homo sapien has changed and evolved and therefore different than say homo erectus or neanderthal correct?

You do understand that just as predators evolved to have bigger claws, or the ability to run faster than prey were adaptations and traits that formed to ensure survival correct?

That's the same process that spawned intelligence in the first place. Instead of bigger faster bodies it was our mind and the way we could think that allowed us to adapt and eventually be thrust to the top of the food chain.

Evolution is adaptation to the environment. Traits that give any particular animal an advantage get passed on and those that don't get flushed. Humans adapted with our brain and it's certainly a product of evolution.

The way humans think does change. As it does so does our nature. It has continuously changed, adapted, and as a result we became dominant.

Heres some reading on the subject. I understand it but I'm struggling to explain it to you. I'm not much of a writer.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...=1566022121138

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...R7nWRmh91YlpEs
Everything listed here is to benefit survival.

Intelligence has evolved, generally speaking, and yet humans make the same age old mistakes at the individual level, and always will. The notion that we will "evolve beyond" intangibles that make us human, such as greed, dishonesty, and violence, is naive and ridiculous. My argument stands.

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Everything listed here is to benefit survival.

Intelligence has evolved, generally speaking, and yet humans make the same age old mistakes at the individual level, and always will. The notion that we will "evolve beyond" intangibles that make us human, such as greed, dishonesty, and violence, is naive and ridiculous. My argument stands.

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I'll admit you could be correct. For sure we sure as hell could destroy ourselves long before any of that even could change.

Just an idea for you though. It's believed by many in the scientific community that AI could be the next leap in human evolution. Not in the traditional sense that evolution is thought of because mankind will actually be responsible for it rather than nature. It * could * prove to be our undoing but would nevertheless be the next step in our evolutionary process.

Some are suggesting human consciousness will become a part of this process.

In addition to AI I assure you someone is working on how to download a human mind into a computer. Sounds crazy but that's coming, I guarantee it.
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In addition to AI I assure you someone is working on how to download a human mind into a computer. Sounds crazy but that's coming, I guarantee it.
I still don't think we know enough about what we are to download ourselves.

Now, COPY our minds, yes....I think that is coming and sooner than people think. Its should be relatively straight forward to take apart a brain layer by later, map every neuron and its connections and then simulate that in a computer, as that is fairly large scale stuff.

Memories, which are encoded on a molecular level however, would be a lot harder, perhaps impossible.
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World peace is a fantasy
This is a bit of an over simplification. I suppose there will always be military altercations of some kind (although always is a long time), but deaths as a result of war have been on the decline since WW2 and there hasn't been military action between major world powers in this century.

As communication and information more effectively reach the bulk of the population around the world the likelihood of major conflicts drops. Trade wars will be the wars of this century.
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This is a bit of an over simplification. I suppose there will always be military altercations of some kind (although always is a long time), but deaths as a result of war have been on the decline since WW2 and there hasn't been military action between major world powers in this century.



As communication and information more effectively reach the bulk of the population around the world the likelihood of major conflicts drops. Trade wars will be the wars of this century.
I still disagree with your definition, and optimism. I served in two wars, in this century personally. No less brutal at times than any other conflicts in history.

And there is always some revolt, rebellion, coup, genocidal attempt, unrest, etc going on. It may not make it on your radar, but that's irrelevant to the fact that humans have always been in conflict and always will be.

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I still disagree with your definition, and optimism. I served in two wars, in this century personally. No less brutal at times than any other conflicts in history.

And there is always some revolt, rebellion, coup, genocidal attempt, unrest, etc going on. It may not make it on your radar, but that's irrelevant to the fact that humans have always been in conflict and always will be.

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I appreciate your service. Any conflict is brutal to those involved, but recent military conflicts aren't as widespread as they historically have been.

It's not about "my radar", it's a numbers thing. Fewer people are dying in wars, relative to the world population than ever before. What's the biggest conflict between world powers in this century?
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I still disagree with your definition, and optimism. I served in two wars, in this century personally. No less brutal at times than any other conflicts in history.

And there is always some revolt, rebellion, coup, genocidal attempt, unrest, etc going on. It may not make it on your radar, but that's irrelevant to the fact that humans have always been in conflict and always will be.

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I served too and witnessed some pretty horrific **** myself brother. I won't argue that people are prone to fight over whatever differences they care to pick from. People in general are a mess.

I would point out however that I think the world is much less brutal than it once was. Some areas that's not true at all. No one knows that better than troops that have btdt. The middle East and Africa are way behind the curve. Given enough time ( provided they don't start a really big war ) they too will change. It's slow and at times hard to see any progress at all but it's there if you look.

Change which is what evolution is doesn't happen overnight.

I have to try and be optimistic about the future of humanity. Hard as it is, especially having seen and done things that comes with warfare, I try. Otherwise I'd lose the little bit of sanity I've got left and life would be pretty bleak and pointless.

All things being possible dude. The human race has the potential to do pretty much what the majority wants. We've proven that over and over throughout history. What was once impossible becomes not just possible but reality.

Just as folks a few hundred years ago couldn't even begin to fathom the things we now take for granted we do the same as we wonder what the future will be like.

Even insanely smart people like Newton COULDN'T imagine computers, satellites and space travel or a cell phone......just consider that and realize that what we consider impossible is no different than all the other impossibilities from the past.
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