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Old 08-18-2019, 11:16 PM
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You just worse, by the moment...……
I love the part of the story... "they're just kids"......
Apparently, they've never seen a 13 yo carrying an AK...…
Well, I have.... And they can kill you, just as dead as anybody..

Look-- Wrench... I ain't saying the lady handled things in the correct
way... But sometimes being in the right, can kill you...
Well....from the story.... they were just 4 kids. Doesn’t matter about skin color
None of them carrying an AK

Me getting worse by the moment......?
Nope ..not at all
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It's her property. She shouldn't be compelled to "hide inside" her home. If justice is done properly, she'll be released without any charges. She said she felt threatened. Perhaps she thought it best to detain them for police officers instead of letting them run from the scene and possibly committing a crime elsewhere.
You should really get out and experience life.
Black...brown and even yellow people are not that scary..lol

Green people.....those are scary....lmao
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Perhaps she thought it best to detain them........
Not a civilian power unless certain rules are followed.

When a cop detains you they have a host of legal burdens to adhere to.

A civilian doesn't get a free ignorance pass.

Arkansas law: https://www.arcourts.gov/rules-and-a...ithout-warrant

(a) A law enforcement officer may arrest a person without a warrant if:

(i) the officer has reasonable cause to believe that such person has committed a felony;

(ii) the officer has reasonable cause to believe that such person has committed a traffic offense involving:

(A) death or physical injury to a person; or

(B) damage to property; or

(C) driving a vehicle while under the influence of any intoxicating liquor or drug;

(iii) the officer has reasonable cause to believe that such person has committed any violation of law in the officer's presence;

(iv) the officer has reasonable cause to believe that such person has committed acts which constitute a crime under the laws of this state and which constitute domestic abuse as defined by law against a family or household member and which occurred within four (4) hours preceding the arrest if no physical injury was involved or 12 (twelve) hours preceding the arrest if physical injury, as defined in Ark. Code Ann. § 5-1-102, was involved;

(v) the officer is otherwise authorized by law.

(b) A private person may make an arrest where he has reasonable grounds for believing that the person arrested has committed a felony.

(c) An arrest shall not be deemed to have been made on insufficient cause hereunder solely on the ground that the officer or private citizen is unable to determine the particular offense which may have been committed.

(d) A warrantless arrest by an officer not personally possessed of information sufficient to constitute reasonable cause is valid where the arresting officer is instructed to make the arrest by a police agency which collectively possesses knowledge sufficient to constitute reasonable cause.

(e) A person arrested without a warrant shall not be held in custody unless a judicial officer determines, from affidavit, recorded testimony, or other information, that there is reasonable cause to believe that the person has committed an offense. Such reasonable cause determination shall be made promptly, but in no event longer than forty-eight (48) hours from the time of arrest, unless the prosecuting attorney demonstrates that a bona fide emergency or other extraordinary circumstance justifies a delay longer than forty-eight (48) hours. Such reasonable cause determination may be made at the first appearance of the arrested person pursuant to Rule 8.1.

Reporter's Notes, 2001. Concerning subsection (a) (iv), see Ark. Code Ann. §16-81-113 (a)(1), as amended by Act 1421 of 2001. Subsection (a) (v) is intended to incorporate current and future statutes authorizing an arrest without a warrant. Examples of such statutory authority include Ark. Code. Ann. § 5-4-309 (warrantless arrest for violation of probation); Ark. Code. Ann. § 5-36-116 (warrantless arrest for shoplifting); Ark. Code. Ann. § 5-53-134 (warrantless arrest for violation of protective order); Ark. Code Ann. § 16-81-114 (warrantless arrest for gas theft); and Ark. Code. Ann. § 16-93-705 (warrantless arrest for violation of parole).
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Citizens in Arkansas cannot detain/arrest as per state law unless they reasonably believe a felony is in progress or has been committed.

She broke the law, plain and simple. We don't owe her reprieve or pity. She could have just stayed in her home armed.

She made this decision to detain illegally.
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Thanks Zeke.
Read up guys...
You would think she would know the Arkansas law....if she was former LEO
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I don't know if what she did was right or wrong but I do know that a lot of things are getting blown WAY out of proportion these days because the news media is trying to make it look like white people are abusing blacks. That must be what is popular and gets the most comments from enough people that the news media will keep reporting these lame stories until nobody cares anymore. This incident should be on page three of the local paper not in national news. It isn't hard to figure that the news media thinks that it is profitable right now to bash white people and that is the whole story.
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Well....from the story.... they were just 4 kids. Doesn’t matter about skin color
None of them carrying an AK

Me getting worse by the moment......?
Nope ..not at all

Ya missed the point entirely...…
But then, …….oh nevermind……..
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This incident should be on page three of the local paper not in national news. It isn't hard to figure that the news media thinks that it is profitable right now to bash white people and that is the whole story.
Illegal detention is relevant to every US citizen.

Do it to me and I'm going to sue you into the poorhouse.

Btw, once her criminal issues are resolved she faces civil liability for false arrest.

She's not a cop and doesn't have qualified immunity from civil suit.

I expect that her husband will likely be steered to early retirement and after the lawsuit those two are going to be dead broke.

I hope those two can get by on Social Insecurity because they are going to be tapped out at the bank and retirement fund.

Food stamps here she comes and the actuaries will adjust her life expectancy down at least 5 years for bare bones Medicare.
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Can I get a picture of the young men as they were dressed? No.

Usually, when libs go fund raising they bring a chaperone that is dressed appropriately.

There's a reason for that.
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Can I get a picture of the young men as they were dressed? No.

Usually, when libs go fund raising they bring a chaperone that is dressed appropriately.

There's a reason for that.
Two were wearing school team jerseys.

Frankly, let's call that a wash. They represented their cause, but not perfectly.

As for chaperoning, I never did have one as a high school player in the 70's. Just team jersey and the candy box. Can't say I was a bright smiling face either. It was summer and I was doing this door to door crap instead of summer vacation. Wanna buy candy to help my team? By the first block I was just going through the motions and trying not to cuss out the folks telling me to keep walking. Our dads would have said to get after it on our own because we were old enough to be men about it. And I would have hated being chaperoned anyway. I wasn't a 5 year old going house to house on Halloween. I guess mom might have volunteered but there was no way I would have been caught being seen at 16 being escorted by my mom. Dad bought up the last half of the box I didn't feel like selling and I called that a win. I got to go back to summer partying at night and doing my 2-a-day summer workouts with the team coaches.

Let's not drill in too deep on appearances. Football players get told to beg for a little team cash before the season starts. It's crappy hot and mildly embarrassing to be told to go begging. They aren't going to show up like a couple well dressed Mormon kids in suits passing out the brochures with spotless appearances. They just want that damn box sold and get it over with. After about the 10th house it's just a grind of frequent no's. The second and third summers with this you have an attitude before you even walk out the door.

In my opinion its wrong to even be sending a bunch of kids out to beg for charity in the first place.

What life lesson does that teach them?
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Black America will blow this completely out of proportion and make a racial issue out of it. In the end there was no harm and no foul. Tell everyone to go home and be nice. Do you think if the woman forked over a hundred bucks for their cause, the football team would get the money? Think again.
No harm no foul?

Really?


The woman is a psycho.
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Per the OP text she did not answer the door, she grabbed her hog leg, went out the back door, circled the house, and threw down on them, called the police. Pretty ballsy for a little old lady.

I would of grabbed the gun, sit quietly ignoring them and they would either go away or start something. They would have to do the first move more than ringing the doorbell.
It's more "stupid" than "ballsy".
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Well....from the story.... they were just 4 kids. Doesn’t matter about skin color
None of them carrying an AK

Me getting worse by the moment......?
Nope ..not at all
Just "four kids, aged 15-16"

Here are some "kids" that nearly match that description:

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Four teenagers have been charged over a homophobic attack against two women on a London bus. The boys, two aged 16, one aged 15 and another aged 17, have been charged with an aggravated hate crime over the incident on May 30, said police on Thursday.



Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/25/four-...0/?ito=cbshare
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It's her property. She shouldn't be compelled to "hide inside" her home. If justice is done properly, she'll be released without any charges. She said she felt threatened. Perhaps she thought it best to detain them for police officers instead of letting them run from the scene and possibly committing a crime elsewhere.
Bull.
If she felt threatened for her life she was a flaming idiot for going outside with a revolver to confront four potential “thugs” who if they’d been armed would have cut her dumb ass down.

There is no excuse for her asinine behavior and all the twisting and turning by some of you make you look no better than the very leftist media you a saying makes **** up and that you don’t trust.
Irony, this board is full of it, among other things...
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Just "four kids, aged 15-16"

Here are some "kids" that nearly match that description:





Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/25/four-...0/?ito=cbshare
And your post just goes to show how moronic this dip**** was to go confront four potentially armed “thugs” with her silly chrome plated six shooter.
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On Arkansas news this morning the woman was forced to resign from her job at the jail.
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When poor judgement and idiotic collide the outcome is seldom good.
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This is a use your common sense deal
Example, as mentioned, I "police" a long 1/2 mile drive way that leads to front door
A ratted-out Mitsubishi two-door car rolls up around 10 am
Gate normally locked 99.5% of the time
Open for expected delivery
Grab handgun by door stick it in back- side undershirt
Walk out expecting a problem
"Do you have any Pit-Bulls" he asked
No, I am not stupid so I said no
Turns out he lost around "$35k" in goats
Turns out he, and his brother, are LEOs in local big town about 40 mins away
His family owns hundreds of acres surrounding land where I am
Asked if I wanted to go hunting
I judged him on his age and his rice-burner POS Mitsubishi
Again, I do not brandish
Don't go there
I am certain he and his brother know the county sheriffs who oversee this area
He left and the Pit-Bull turned up dead
I hear a neighbor eliminated it
You should have a plan when you deal with uninvited visitors.
Make that, a good plan
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The opinions on this issue have run the course from, put the lady in jail for kidnapping and civil rights violation and maybe a hate crime to, allow her to hold the young lads at gunpoint for trespassing. The answer falls somewhere in the middle. By the loss of her job she has been punished enough. I have friends who live in this town and they do have a black crime problem. They also have a white meth problem. Residents are on edge because of it.

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You should really get out and experience life.
Black...brown and even yellow people are not that scary..lol

Green people.....those are scary....lmao
I've lived in several states and near many big cities. There are certain parts of town to avoid whether you say so or not. There are "scary people" of all races including the white race but the statistics don't lie. Young blacks commit the highest percentage of crimes in the USA. You can squeeze your eyes shut and ignore that fact but I choose to pay attention to it.
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=Israel Putnam;19721218]Bull.
If she felt threatened for her life she was a flaming idiot for going outside with a revolver to confront four potential “thugs” who if they’d been armed would have cut her dumb ass down.
How do you know the details, do you have inside info?


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There is no excuse for her asinine behavior and all the twisting and turning
How do you know she had "No Excuse"??


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Irony, this board is full of it, among other things..
If you feel this way about "This Board" why are you here?
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