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I am looking for a surplus 9mm, i looked at the star model b, but there are some problems with the design that sorta keeping me away from it, was just looking for something reliable to shoot around the 500 and under range, good sights would be a plus, heard the p38s are junk as well.. are there any other options?
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Springfiels XD! You will never regret it. I paid $500 for mine at a gun show on impulse and probably could have done better. You could probably find one used for a round $400. Glocks are always a option though I don't have experience with them. This won't help if you are only looking for surplus. I don't feel comfortable buying a gun with no warranty.
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You can get a S&W 910 or 915 for $220 on Gunbroker. They are 3rd gen transitional models and very good for the money.
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Get a surplus Glock!

Police trade ins are around $300
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are these popular with private sellers? all i can do business with legally


edit: lol i put up an ad for a glock 17 and got like 8 messages in 15 minutes..

best deal so far is a gen 3, for 350, 3 magazines, 200 115gr FMJ of 9mm, case..
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You can get a S&W 910 or 915 for $220 on Gunbroker. They are 3rd gen transitional models and very good for the money.
and from the same guy you can get a full on 59 for $100 more

what's wrong with the Star B?
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The sig P6's are a pretty good deal, can be found in the $300ish range but only single stack.

$389
http://wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=100000455

They used to be under $300, I guess now they are closer to $400
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Your link is for the laser grip, not the gun.
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http://www.gunbroker.com/Semi-Auto-P...Sellers=979927

Lots of surplus 9mm's to choose from. Majority of the guns listed came from Israel. Check out the S&W's, Beretta, & FN's.

For $400 why just buy 1?
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Those suplus Stars, etc are OK guns but you'll play heck finding parts and pay a lot for them when available. Those other recommendations for XD's, Glocks etc would be the way to go...........lots of great track records and parts galore if needed.
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I keep seeing surplus CZ75s for about 400 bucks.
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and from the same guy you can get a full on 59 for $100 more

what's wrong with the Star B?
parts and the firing pin issues, not safe carrying one in the chamber
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http://www.gunbroker.com/Semi-Auto-P...Sellers=979927

Lots of surplus 9mm's to choose from. Majority of the guns listed came from Israel. Check out the S&W's, Beretta, & FN's.

For $400 why just buy 1?
only 1, my dads house, his rules
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CZ-82 you can get 1 of these, extra mags,and ALOT of ammo for around $500. this is the European 9mm. ammo is cheap this is a good rock solid,accurate gun,and is a great conceal carry that you will be VERY happy with.

http://www.jgsales.com/cz-82-czech-9...on-p-3050.html


With $500 if you buy the cz-82 you would have enough money left to buy EVERYTHING needed to be fully fuctional. example $375 for the gun and 4 extra mags,ffl transfer,& s/h included, shoulder holster or conceal carry holster $50.put the rest in ammo,and with ammo being around $10 at acadamy so thats 7 boxes (350 rounds). Frankly this is the BEST BANG for the buck by far
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CZ-82 you can get 1 of these, extra mags,and ALOT of ammo for around $500. this is the European 9mm. ammo is cheap this is a good rock solid,accurate gun,and is a great conceal carry that you will be VERY happy with.

http://www.jgsales.com/cz-82-czech-9...on-p-3050.html


With $500 if you buy the cz-82 you would have enough money left buy EVERYTHING needed to be fully fuctional. example $375 for the gun and 4 extra mags,ffl transfer,& s/h included, shoulder holster or conceal carry holster $50.put the rest in ammo,and with ammo being around $10 at acadamy so thats 7 boxes (350 rounds). Frankly this is the BEST BANG for the buck by far

I think you meant to say the Eastern European 9mm. The rest of Europe - Nato used the 9x19 (aka 9mm Parabelum or 9mm Luger).
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CZ-82 you can get 1 of these, extra mags,and ALOT of ammo for around $500. this is the European 9mm. ammo is cheap this is a good rock solid,accurate gun,and is a great conceal carry that you will be VERY happy with.

http://www.jgsales.com/cz-82-czech-9...on-p-3050.html


With $500 if you buy the cz-82 you would have enough money left buy EVERYTHING needed to be fully fuctional. example $375 for the gun and 4 extra mags,ffl transfer,& s/h included, shoulder holster or conceal carry holster $50.put the rest in ammo,and with ammo being around $10 at acadamy so thats 7 boxes (350 rounds). Frankly this is the BEST BANG for the buck by far
Good post.

I definitely wouldn't overlook the 9x18mm Combloc surplus guns. My CZ-82 is rock solid, and the point of spending 500 to have a complete carry setup & ammo is very sound. A lot of people don't factor in the cost of ammo, holster, gun belt, or cleaning supplies when looking to get a gun.
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Good post.

I definitely wouldn't overlook the 9x18mm Combloc surplus guns. My CZ-82 is rock solid, and the point of spending 500 to have a complete carry setup & ammo is very sound. A lot of people don't factor in the cost of ammo, holster, gun belt, or cleaning supplies when looking to get a gun.
I'm a big fan of the mak round for fun cheap shooting, in fact I plan on ordering a CZ-82 later this week, but I don't think it's fair to place it in the same conversation with 9mm luger. Ballistically, it can't be denied it is an under-performing round by comparison. Not trying to hijack thread with a "which round is better" argument,but if limiting strictly to 9mm luger, I would have to second the previous suggestions of getting a nice used glock. For reliability, parts availability, and price, they are very hard to beat.
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I'm a big fan of the mak round for fun cheap shooting, in fact I plan on ordering a CZ-82 later this week, but I don't think it's fair to place it in the same conversation with 9mm luger. Ballistically, it can't be denied it is an under-performing round by comparison. Not trying to hijack thread with a "which round is better" argument,but if limiting strictly to 9mm luger, I would have to second the previous suggestions of getting a nice used glock. For reliability, parts availability, and price, they are very hard to beat.

Thats true but that is one of the biggest problems with the 9mm luger its over powered.The bullet is to fast, which makes it go through the target so fast it doesnt have time to expand so it leaves a clean hole.(perfect for military appilaction)Thats why if you get a 9mm its best to get the heavier bullet to slow it down so if you shoot someone it has time to expand doing greater damage.

Of course if you hit them in the right spot it isnt going to matter dead is dead but then the same can be said with the 9x18. Both will kill.

The 9x18 is a bit slower so it has a better chance to expand with the same size bullet therefore it has greater potential damage to its target.Also the cz-82 is much heavier than the glock so it has less recoil which means faster target acquisition.

I know it doesn't make sense but slower = better when your talking close range

example: its better to hit a deer with a 308 at 200 yrds than it is at 50 yrds,because at 50 yrds the bullet is traveling way to fast to expand so if you dont get an instant kill it could run a long ways before it bleeds to death but if you hit the deer in the same spot at 200 yrds its going to bleed out ALOT faster

retraction : disregard this post I was totally wrong thanx
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Aaron, if you want to challenge the caliber then why say get a 9mm? Why not a .40 or .45?
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am I the only one here who thinks this post makes 0 sense at all?



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Thats true but that is one of the biggest problems with the 9mm luger its over powered.The bullet is to fast, which makes it go through the target so fast it doesnt have time to expand so it leaves a clean hole.(perfect for military appilaction)Thats why if you get a 9mm its best to get the heavier bullet to slow it down so if you shoot someone it has time to expand doing greater damage.

Of course if you hit them in the right spot it isnt going to matter dead is dead but then the same can be said with the 9x18. Both will kill.

The 9x18 is a bit slower so it has a better chance to expand with the same size bullet therefore it has greater potential damage to its target.Also the cz-82 is much heavier than the glock so it has less recoil which means faster target acquisition.

I know it doesn't make sense but slower = better when your talking close range

example: its better to hit a deer with a 308 at 200 yrds than it is at 50 yrds,because at 50 yrds the bullet is traveling way to fast to expand so if you dont get an instant kill it could run a long ways before it bleeds to death but if you hit the deer in the same spot at 200 yrds its going to bleed out ALOT faster
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