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I've been thinking about adding a Tapco Intrafuse SKS stock and some 20 round detachable mags (they're actually still available) to my Type 56, because now it's far too late to consider an AR15 or AK. Then again, I never had the money to buy one before the panic started. I love my SKS because it's a solid, reliable, good-shooting, hard-hitting, simple weapon, but I might have to face AKs and ARs when the fecal matter hits the electronic rotating, ceiling-mounted, air-cooling device.


Then again,I live in the country. When the SHTF, there won't be many AKs or ARs slung over shoulders. Instead, wood-stocked lever action and bolt action rifles, some SKS (back when they were 75 bucks at roses, people bought them as inexpensive deer rifles), etc. Tactical gear, high-cap mags, etc. are not only looked down opon by most, it kinda says "shoot me first". Now, i'm not saying that I care what others think about my weapon. I'm just saying that it may be beneficial to blend-in when the SHTF. Then again, I plan on staying inside my home when the SHTF, and when I have to go out i'll probably have a shotgun or my .30-30 slun over my shoulder, so it's unlikely my SKS would even be noticed. Does any of what I just said make sence? Probably not.

I don't have much money. Would I be better off practicing with stripper clips and saving money to buy ammo to add to my almost non-ecistant stockpile? Or should I modify my SKS?
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Imo, don't do it.

A stock SKS is a very reliable rifle. I believe that if you start bubba-ing it out with detachable magazines, the reliability goes down the tubes. And stripper clips are a lot lighter if you're going to be humping a lot of ammo. And certainly much faster if you run out of loaded magazines. The thing about the duckbill SKS magazines is, they are fiddly to get in and out, to the point that loading them with a stripper clip is about the same speed. And once you have a big ol' piece of fruit hanging out the bottom, it's harder to fire prone.

I think if you want an SKS with detachable mags, get an SMS-M or -D, or an AK, and avoid the duckbill fiddliness and feeding issues.

Just my opinion. I'm sure others have had better experiences! But on a budget without getting the magazines fitted to the rifle and having mag release work done on it, I think SKS detachable mags will make you very sad.
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Not trying to start a debate here, but this is my opinion.
If your main battle weapon is a SKS, I would update it to a Tapco intrafuse stock in a second and I would get a minimum of 12 of the Tapco 20 round
mags for it.
The die hard SKS fanatics will say keep the wood stock and get stripper clips to load the weapon with, however thats old technology.
Look at all new battle rifles they use polymer stocks and removeable mags.
Do yourself a favor and if you decide to update use the Tapco stuff it has proven for me to be 100% reliable.
Also the SKS loaded with stripper clips is proven to be a little dangerous by me and not being trained in using them. I had a bolt catch one of my fingers
and it hurt for days, and yes it was a stupid mistake however its part of stripper fed weapons and what can happen with them.
Heres my SKS, Its modernized and great.

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I use AR's for my main Go To Rifle and the SKS is a backup if I need a 7.62X39gun.

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Get the ammo first then worry about updating the rifle.
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Not trying to start a debate here, but this is my opinion.
If your main battle weapon is a SKS, I would update it to a Tapco intrafuse stock in a second and I would get a minimum of 12 of the Tapco 20 round
mags for it.
The die hard SKS fanatics will say keep the wood stock and get stripper clips to load the weapon with, however thats old technology.
Look at all new battle rifles they use polymer stocks and removeable mags.
Do yourself a favor and if you decide to update use the Tapco stuff it has proven for me to be 100% reliable.
Also the SKS loaded with stripper clips is proven to be a little dangerous by me and not being trained in using them. I had a bolt catch one of my fingers
and it hurt for days, and yes it was a stupid mistake however its part of stripper fed weapons and what can happen with them.
Heres my SKS, Its modernized and great.

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I use AR's for my main Go To Rifle and the SKS is a backup if I need a 7.62X39gun.



I was thinking about buying four, Jungle Tape them together with duct tape in sets of 2 for faster reloads (which actually does work), and keeping my ten round box mag handy as well as 10-15 stripper clips.

But stripper clips are actually very safe and easy to use if you practice, which I have. Fitting it into the slot takes longer than putting the rounds in. You fit it into the slot, which takes about 2 seconds, tip the top round up, and push down. You can ditch the stripper clip if you have/need to or just drop it in a side pouch. Now, with mosin nagant stripper clips, it's a whole different story IMO. Those things sucked! The only real reason I'd like the Tapco Mags is for the added capacity. If I could afford one, I'd get a metal fixed 20 or 30 round mag.
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Imo, don't do it.

A stock SKS is a very reliable rifle. I believe that if you start bubba-ing it out with detachable magazines, the reliability goes down the tubes. And stripper clips are a lot lighter if you're going to be humping a lot of ammo. And certainly much faster if you run out of loaded magazines. The thing about the duckbill SKS magazines is, they are fiddly to get in and out, to the point that loading them with a stripper clip is about the same speed. And once you have a big ol' piece of fruit hanging out the bottom, it's harder to fire prone.

I think if you want an SKS with detachable mags, get an SMS-M or -D, or an AK, and avoid the duckbill fiddliness and feeding issues.

Just my opinion. I'm sure others have had better experiences! But on a budget without getting the magazines fitted to the rifle and having mag release work done on it, I think SKS detachable mags will make you very sad.
I consider stripper clips as an advantage rather than a disadvantage as well. But the thing i'm worried about is having 10 rounds vs. BGs with 30. Yet I woulden't feel undergunned with a 6 shot revolver against guys with 20 round glocks. I'm weird.
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Simple if you use your head and think! What good is a "cool looking rifle" without any ammo? The SKS was designed by people to fight, reliably. Tapco is designed to get you to send your money to them. Which is best for your purpose? You don't need bells and cool toys. You need to be prepared. Buy all the ammo and stripper clips you can now. The UN gun ban includes ammo. We just might not get much more Russian ammo and the US ammo is very expensive. I am glad to see you on these boards. Not many your age are thinking with their noodle.
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Simple if you use your head and think! What good is a "cool looking rifle" without any ammo? The SKS was designed by people to fight, reliably. Tapco is designed to get you to send your money to them. Which is best for your purpose? You don't need bells and cool toys. You need to be prepared. Buy all the ammo and stripper clips you can now. The UN gun ban includes ammo. We just might not get much more Russian ammo and the US ammo is very expensive. I am glad to see you on these boards. Not many your age are thinking with their noodle.
I agree with you. But I don't want the tapco stuff because it looks cool. I might go up against ARs, AKs, and other much more expensive weapons. I cant reload as fast, shoot quite as fast, don't have the same amount of firepower, and my weapon isnt as comfortable. I can't find any more ammo anyways, and all my ammo is non reloadable. Maybe I should have got a Mini 14 or M1 Carbine...
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I've been thinking about adding a Tapco Intrafuse SKS stock and some 20 round detachable mags (they're actually still available) to my Type 56, because now it's far too late to consider an AR15 or AK. Then again, I never had the money to buy one before the panic started. I love my SKS because it's a solid, reliable, good-shooting, hard-hitting, simple weapon, but I might have to face AKs and ARs when the fecal matter hits the electronic rotating, ceiling-mounted, air-cooling device.


Then again,I live in the country. When the SHTF, there won't be many AKs or ARs slung over shoulders. Instead, wood-stocked lever action and bolt action rifles, some SKS (back when they were 75 bucks at roses, people bought them as inexpensive deer rifles), etc. Tactical gear, high-cap mags, etc. are not only looked down opon by most, it kinda says "shoot me first". Now, i'm not saying that I care what others think about my weapon. I'm just saying that it may be beneficial to blend-in when the SHTF. Then again, I plan on staying inside my home when the SHTF, and when I have to go out i'll probably have a shotgun or my .30-30 slun over my shoulder, so it's unlikely my SKS would even be noticed. Does any of what I just said make sence? Probably not.

I don't have much money. Would I be better off practicing with stripper clips and saving money to buy ammo to add to my almost non-ecistant stockpile? Or should I modify my SKS?
I would do the TAPCO Stock but not the magazines. Stripper clips work Better in the SKS. IMHO
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Eh, i wouldn't say a mini or m1 Carbine is a better choice than an SKS.. Here's some advantages of the SKS over many other guns, such as the AK:

Sight Radius, the distance between the sights are further apart than an AK, and has a longer barrel, giving it better accuracy in my experience. War changed, it use to be choose your shots and use a bullet per, now its spread the led. I like the original way, as you use less ammunition. And, in a shtf, chances are you will only be in small conflicts if anything, where accuracy is important, and while the SKS isnt the most accurate gun in the world, it sure isnt bad, especially up against the standard AK clone.

You can go prone with an SKS, without having a bulky magazine in the way of the ground.

Its reliable. In my experience, much more so than the AR platform if you don't have the time to clean it.

The bolt stays open after your last shot, no ghost round like an AK.

Stripper clips may be time consuming to reload, but you can carry more ammunition on you, and in smaller areas such as your pockets if you had to, and if you practice with them you can get pretty good.

Magazines can be bulky, and you have a greater chance of magazine failure than the internal fixed mag on the SKS giving you any trouble, and if need be, you can load the bullets one at a time if you dont have stripper clips, unlike the AK or AR.
No mags = Screwed. Sks, no problem.

Its not a very alarming gun, what I mean by this is that by keeping it in its original configuration, you don't look like some sort of military personnel, or an attractive target. Then again the SKS isnt as basic looking as some lever action either.

It's a great SHTF rifle, the way it was made. In my opinion, and my advice to you is to keep it original, by a bunch of stripper clips and ammo instead of using the money on a stock and bulky magazines that won't improve much.

Also, if you can find any cheap enough, look for the 20 round fixed mags you can sometimes find online. At least you could start out with 20 rounds if you needed to.

Either way, an SKS will do the job for you, no matter what configuration, unless you go all out bubba style, then you're just asking for unreliability. Keep the optics off of it, and KEEP IT SIMPLE.

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I agree with you. But I don't want the tapco stuff because it looks cool. I might go up against ARs, AKs, and other much more expensive weapons. I cant reload as fast, shoot quite as fast, don't have the same amount of firepower, and my weapon isnt as comfortable. I can't find any more ammo anyways, and all my ammo is non reloadable. Maybe I should have got a Mini 14 or M1 Carbine...
You underestimate what an SKS is capable of. Don't blame the firearm blame yourself. You have no excuse not to be good with it. Comfortable? LOL that is a luxury you won't be afforded if things go bad. I'm not dogging on you. Just letting you know. You can find more Ammo. And it is loadable.



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Nice thing about the tapco stocks and tapco mags is...
If you want to keep top loading it with stripper clips, you still can.

The stock improves the ballance of the rifle. The increased length of pull makes the rifle easier to shoot well with.

Perform Rockriver's bolt mod:
https://www.survivalistboards.com/sho...d.php?t=247541

and now you have a rifle that allows you to reload while having a round chambered with the rifle pointed at your target / threat.
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Eh, i wouldn't say a mini or m1 Carbine is a better choice than an SKS.. Here's some advantages of the SKS over many other guns, such as the AK:

Sight Radius, the distance between the sights are further apart than an AK, and has a longer barrel, giving it better accuracy in my experience. War changed, it use to be choose your shots and use a bullet per, now its spread the led. I like the original way, as you use less ammunition. And, in a shtf, chances are you will only be in small conflicts if anything, where accuracy is important, and while the SKS isnt the most accurate gun in the world, it sure isnt bad, especially up against the standard AK clone.

You can go prone with an SKS, without having a bulky magazine in the way of the ground.

Its reliable. In my experience, much more so than the AR platform if you don't have the time to clean it.

The bolt stays open after your last shot, no ghost round like an AK.

Stripper clips may be time consuming to reload, but you can carry more ammunition on you, and in smaller areas such as your pockets if you had to, and if you practice with them you can get pretty good.

Magazines can be bulky, and you have a greater chance of magazine failure than the internal fixed mag on the SKS giving you any trouble, and if need be, you can load the bullets one at a time if you dont have stripper clips, unlike the AK or AR.
No mags = Screwed. Sks, no problem.

Its not a very alarming gun, what I mean by this is that by keeping it in its original configuration, you don't look like some sort of military personnel, or an attractive target. Then again the SKS isnt as basic looking as some lever action either.

It's a great SHTF rifle, the way it was made. In my opinion, and my advice to you is to keep it original, by a bunch of stripper clips and ammo instead of using the money on a stock and bulky magazines that won't improve much.

Also, if you can find any cheap enough, look for the 20 round fixed mags you can sometimes find online. At least you could start out with 20 rounds if you needed to.

Either way, an SKS will do the job for you, no matter what configuration, unless you go all out bubba style, then you're just asking for unreliability. Keep the optics off of it, and KEEP IT SIMPLE.

Good luck
I was taught to shoot the old fashoned way too. One shot, one kill. And I was taught to shoot with a single shot .22. My dad can literally drive tacks with his .Savage 17hmr. My dad grew up in the late 60's through the 70's. He had four brothers. My grandparents could barely keep food on the table. You couldent just go out and buy a ton of ammo to practice, a.k.a waste. Most people saved money by using a shotgun for everything, like in the Great Depression. My grandpa worked in a coal mine ever since Korea ended.He wasn't there to teach his sons how to hunt and shoot. My dad taught himself how to,and then taught me everything I learned. I'm no sniper. Most probably shoot better than me. but i'm fair. And when I see fancy ARs with 30 rounds shoot almost as good as me with a bolt action .308, it makes me nervous. I plan on taking out threats fom a distance, while hidden, but when the S HTF sadly I wont get to choose what happens.
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I have two Sks's, one is Russian that I put a tapco folding stock, I have 5 30rnd mags for it. Also I have a Hugo that the only thing I did to it was put a bi-pod on it. I love both of my Sks's, but I never shoot the Russian anymore. My yugo out of the box with iron sights will shoot clay pigeons at 230 yards without trying. Save your money for better preps.
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IMO, I wouldn't go full taktikewl.

A good Monte Carlo stock will be more comfortable than many of the folding stocks, though the newer adjustable length stocks aren't bad. 20 round Tapco mags are the ONLY magazine I would consider to replace the factory box mag. I've had the 20 and 30 round steel mags and they SUCK. Tapco mags are easy to swap out, and they do exactly what they were designed to do, which is increase the mag capacity and facilitate quick and easy mag changes.

But! Being as the SKS was not intended to have detachable mags, the ease in mag changes is not comparable to that of an AR or AK. With the mag guides on my AK I can swap a mag in a couple of seconds, my buddy's SKS with Tapco mags takes much longer, due to having to rock the mag into the magwell more precisely.

With every firearm there are pros and cons to mods. My M91/30 has been modified to the point it is no longer a Mil-surp weapon. With the custom stock, shortened barrel, PE scope mount and modern scope, I can easily keep every round in an 8" circle at 600 yards with milsurp ammo, my handloads are even better.

BUT, I lost the use of stripper clips, the use of iron sighjts, the factory kit and bayonet, all of which are retained on my original M44 carbine.

So, just remember, every mod you make changes the gun in more ways than just one.
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So you really REALLY want to want to upgrade your SKS?

http://sgworks.com/

This isn't some Tapco swap stuff. This is re-engineering it. You will never look at an SKS the same way again.
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My friend pimped out his sks with all kinds of tapco stuff. He has issues with mags, getting his gas tube on and off and stuff like that. Mine is all stock, and it works a lot smoother. I would keep it stock and get good with charging from stripper clips.
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