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Old 02-29-2012, 03:30 PM
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I've been lurking on the forum for a while and learning a ton, decided to join finally and I have a question to pose for you experts.

I have what I feel to be a decent collection of firearms and am looking to start rounding out a few more here and there. Currently I have an S&W M&P15 (battle rifle) and a stock carbine Ruger 10/22 (small game hunter and backup battle rifle), along with other long and short guns that I won't get into just yet.

My thoughts are that I would like to add another .22 rifle that will serve as a backup small game hunter and also a better backup battle rifle than my bone stock 10/22. I initially had my sights on a M&P 15-22 because I am familiar with S&W's AR's and any of my accessories could easily be taken off the AR and put on here without skipping a beat. However after researching some newer 10/22's and the Tapco kit I started to question if I should consider getting another Ruger. One big advantage is that should one of the Rugers become inoperable I could use it for spare parts.

My biggest question is how much different of a shooter would the M&P 15-22 be compared to a Ruger that is tacti-cooled out? The costs for each would be comparable, so I am mainly concerned about performance. What are your thoughts?

Buy or build a tacti-cool 10/22 to compliment my existing stock 10/22

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Buy the M&P 15-22 to compliment my M&P 15
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The 15-22 will be a far more realistic trainer that mimics manual of arms of your AR allowing for some practice on the cheap. Personally I would go that route.
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I'm not so much worried about practice, not really a rookie to firearms. I'm more concerned with reliability and accuracy of a 10/22 vs. the 15-22.

I know that my Ruger is a workhorse and is on point out to 50 yards all day long no matter what ammo I run with it. I would assume that putting the Tapco kit on it wouldn't change the accuracy or reliability much, if at all. How does the 15-22 compare in reliability and accuracy to the 10/22?
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I'm not so much worried about practice, not really a rookie to firearms. I'm more concerned with reliability and accuracy of a 10/22 vs. the 15-22.
No offense intended. That being said practice is always a good thing; rookie or experienced shooter; as shooting is a diminishable skill. From that aspect of it, the 15-22 is almost a must purchase for anyone who has an AR. The cost savings on some of your training pays for the rifle very quickly. I can definitely understand wanting to know about the reliability and accuracy though.

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I know that my Ruger is a workhorse and is on point out to 50 yards all day long no matter what ammo I run with it. I would assume that putting the Tapco kit on it wouldn't change the accuracy or reliability much, if at all. How does the 15-22 compare in reliability and accuracy to the 10/22?
So how does my 15-22 compare in accuracy? Depends on if your talking about the Ruger's with the factory barrels or the ones with aftermarket. If your 10/22 is on point out to 50 yards you are far luckier than I. It's basically my understanding that the factory 10/22 barrels are very hit and miss. Unfortunately all of mine have been misses and at 25 yards most patterned something like a 12 gauge. Against that, the M&P is definitely more accurate. However, the ones that have been replaced with aftermarket barrels are tack drivers and and far more accurate than the 15-22 from the bench. Of course standing they are both only as accurate as you can hold them.

In the reliability department I would say they are the same although I don't have near as many rounds through the 15-22. I'd say maybe 2500 rounds through it so far and only ammo related failures with one exception. A buddy of mines girlfriend was shooting it and was holding it by the magazine and kinda pulling down which caused it to choke a couple of times.

As to the question about the Tapco stock on the 10/22, I've only shot one in that stock a couple of times. Your correct that nothing about putting it in that stock should make it less accurate; unless obviously if you are moving to the Tapco from a stock that is bedded.
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Thanks for the reply, and no offense taken at all.

What sort of ammo do you run through your M&P? I have everything from no name to Thunderbolt to CCI Mini Mags and the AR Tactical. My 10/22 eats everything up no problem but I also have a Walther P22 that will only operate with the CCI Mini Mags.

I have only heard good things on the M&P and I love my M&P15-MOE so I'm sure I would be happy if I purchased it. Thanks for helping me make up my mind.
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Personally I shoot a lot of Federal 525 bulk pack and Mini-mags. The mini-mags; while they may not be the most accurate in every single rifle; they are by far the most accurate across the board for me. The Federal has always been proven very reliable for me and while not as accurate as the mini-mags they are definitely a touch cheaper. So far the 15-22 has seen:

the federal--fairly accurate, very reliable, feed great

the CCI AR Tactical you mention -- ran a couple boxes through it and have a couple more. It ran fine and was perhaps a minute amount more accurate than the Federal but definitely not enough to justify the price increase.

mini-mags -- shoots them fine and the most accurate that's gone through the 15-22. As I don't shoot groups though that much with the M&P I tend to save this ammo for the others.

Winchester -- the hollow points in the 333 box. These ran fine but definitely nothing to write home about in the accuracy department. Actually pretty crappy. They also have a weird hitch where they hang up a bit loading them in the magazines. They feed fine, just loading is even more of a pain than normal. Once this ammo is gone I definitely won't buy anymore.

Also have some Eley and some Wolf but these will probably never go through this rifle. I saw the Winchester M.22 or whatever but am yet to buy any-maybe if I can find a deal. I don't have the manual in front of me or anything but I do think specifically recommend against the Thunderbolt but I could be imagining things.
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I have the s&w 15-22 and love it. Its a perfect training rifle for "real" ars. The 25 round mags are great to, but it sucks reloading them.... I have had both, I hae never had a ftf,fte with either one. tey m&p mags are more duable than the plastice eagle 25 round mags. evan the butler creek. the smith though aint cheap. I chose the 15-22 for pure fun and training. I use a shotgun as my primary. but if it comes down to price then 10-22, but if you want to mimic yur a15 than i would suggest a 15-22. I love the 15-22 i sold the 10/22 just to buy the smith. i have put over 6000 round threw just 3mags and the springs are still good. I have droped them, banged them and droped them. and they held up great. i have broke theafter market plastice mags for the 10/22 and i wasnt happy. I would GO with the SMITH....better training, and just plain fun. Train hard, Fight harder....
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I love my 15-22. This is an excellent resource for information, repairs, uprades, etc: http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-15-22/

I have never owned a 10/22, so I can't comment. Good source for the Ruger is: http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/index.php

Good luck.
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