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A little +/- infographic that is sorta informative.

http://www.rem870.com/2016/10/05/inf...-mossberg-500/
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Something this comparison doesn't make clear is if that dang shell extractor breaks on an 870 it's going to be hundreds of dollars to fix, and if you have a cheap express model you may as well just buy a new one.
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I chose the Mossberg 590A1. I use it for home defense and I pack it into the woods when I camp or fish. It's more durable than the others, easier to reload, holds more ammunition, is easier to work the safety and action lock, perform maintenance on and customize than the Remington.
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Both good American made products but I favor the Mossberg.
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Something this comparison doesn't make clear is if that dang shell extractor breaks on an 870 it's going to be hundreds of dollars to fix, and if you have a cheap express model you may as well just buy a new one.
I think you mean ejector - The extractor is easy to change out. It's the ejector that is a pain. Poor design, repair wise at least. You'd think they would have addressed that by now.
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mossberg for me. but thats because im a lefty and the safety is ambidextrous as opposed to the 870.
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Law Enforcement behind the curve?
Most agencies allow 870 only, still to this day. Like Taurus, which very few departments allow. (Moss 600 20 g pistol grip, behind my seat in personal truck) I trust it. Yet Moss and Taurus are still the red headed step children
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The point made about cheaper models from same factory is the main factor.

Smith makes some great high end weapons, yet sells some low end stuff I don't trust.
It is almost like all the big factories have a cheap China division. You get what you pay for
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Something this comparison doesn't make clear is if that dang shell extractor breaks on an 870 it's going to be hundreds of dollars to fix, and if you have a cheap express model you may as well just buy a new one.
AMEN big difference between models
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Something this comparison doesn't make clear is if that dang shell extractor breaks on an 870 it's going to be hundreds of dollars to fix, and if you have a cheap express model you may as well just buy a new one.
The last ejector I did when I was moonlighting in the gun shop was $75 to the customer and took me about half an hour from the time I pulled it from the waiting parts rack to the time I put it in the completed repairs rack.

If you are really good you can do an extractor without removing the bolt from the receiver.

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Law Enforcement behind the curve?
Most agencies allow 870 only, still to this day.
I see Mossbergs in patrol car racks around here, those that still have shotguns in them anyway.
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I had the 870 and still have the 590. They are good shotguns, but Benelli Nova/Supernova is vastly superior to both of them in terms of what you are getting for your money.
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I've had Mossberg 500 plain-jane models for a long time. The main reasons:
- When I have an option, I shoot shotguns and rifles lefty. So the controls on the Mossberg are much better for me.
- After having the loading port wide open (no elevator in the way), anything else is a PITA.
- They are cheap to own.

The infographic has some small problems:

- The generalized comment of steel being "sturdier" (whatever that means) than aluminium is false.
- I wouldn't call the ejector "easy" to replace on an M500 regardless of the screw.
- 870 has a common 32" barrel option and a less common 34" for trap.
- The concept behind the two extractors on the M500 wasn't for "reliability". It was marketing way back in the day. If one extractor fails, your M500 will not run reliably.
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I ended up selling my 870 to someone who needed a firearm for home defense. I kept my Mossburg 500 and recently added a 590 to my collection. Being a lefty the cross bolt safety on the Remington slows me down and I have to change my grip even if the shotgun has a pistol grip.

I never had to replace any parts on either the 870 or the 500 but I also didn't put a lot of rounds through them. I have added parts to the 500 and 590 mostly just for ease of use and carrying extra shells on the gun.

I will say the 590 is noticeably heaver than the 500. I don't recall how heavy the 870 was.

I can't find fault with either the Moss or the Rem.. shoot what works for you and remember with a defense shotgun if you aren't shooting you should be reloading.

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I've had Mossberg 500 plain-jane models for a long time. The main reasons:
- When I have an option, I shoot shotguns and rifles lefty. So the controls on the Mossberg are much better for me.
- After having the loading port wide open (no elevator in the way), anything else is a PITA.
- They are cheap to own.

The infographic has some small problems:

- The generalized comment of steel being "sturdier" (whatever that means) than aluminium is false.
- I wouldn't call the ejector "easy" to replace on an M500 regardless of the screw.
- 870 has a common 32" barrel option and a less common 34" for trap.
- The concept behind the two extractors on the M500 wasn't for "reliability". It was marketing way back in the day. If one extractor fails, your M500 will not run reliably.
Just out of curiosity how is the 500 ejector not easy to replace? Undo the screw, place in a new piece, put in a new screw. Stupid simple.
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The 590A1 is designed to be a combat shotgun. It's doesn't have a threaded barrel and is a cylinder bore choke.

The Remington, is a hunting shotgun and pretty much a multi purphose hunting shotgun at that. It has a variety of chokes.

You are comparing two shotguns with two different purposes. Yes, you can hunt with a 590A1, but it's true purpose is for defense. Same can be said for the 870. It can be used for defense, but is designed for hunting. Decide which one you would rather have and purchase it. They are both excellent weapons (I have a 590A1 & 11-87 myself)
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