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I think the 2nd amendment is in trouble. Over the next 4-8 years, at least 4 Justices will vacate their positions. Knowing her stance on the 2nd Amendment, it's not too difficult to predict how it will play out.

I am not a Trump's fan, but he maybe the only chance we got. Having said that, he turns out a lot of independent voters lately.

if Hillary wins the election, it could come to the point that you will have to fight or flight. Brace yourself.
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the forum is a solid reflection of the kind of conversation that is happening in other cirlces as well...the topic of hillary and the Scrotums comes up over and over and is likely the single core issue that I stress to folks when they struggle with a Trump vote.

just last weekend, some time off at a camp ground ...pulled up a lounge chair around a circle of folks visiting and chitchat...there was no hillary love there.. I typically keep my mouth shut and just listen... but folks were looking for any audience that they could take the oppty to vent their frustrations, their concerns, their outright disdain for hillary , and their determination to continue with their perceived levels of liberty.
and yes, the 2A always comes up...because as significant as women's rights, LGBT, foreign policy, and outright dishonesty topics are when it comes to Clinton....even the most basic campground tent dweller understands that it all hinges on our 2A...after that...she gets to shred the constitution without fear of recourse.
obama got away with so much because he was "the first black prez" hillary won't get as much travel with the woman card...so not being able to bypass the constitution..she will engage an all out attack on it...

but fear not...it's really pretty simple.

1) keep communicating..shining light on her lies and what she really is
2) vote and participate in our election process.
3) help reduce voter fraud
4) stock up and urge others to do the same..it's gonna be a long 4-8 year winter of dicontent frankly regardless of who wins this time.
if hillary wins, she's promised to do all she can to keep us from buying more, take what she can from us.
if trump wins, we'll likely need the guns and ammo to deal with social unrest caused by the tolerant preaching intollerables.

either way, there's cause to stock up, train up, and pray up that we don't need it.

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She will repeal the GCA of 1968 and make Class 3 & NFA hoops much easier for anyone to jump through , and allow CMP to sell more varieties of Milsurp Weapons (Even from other Countries) ,Repeal the Papa Bush Barrel Ban , and allow imports of Cuban ,& Peruvian & El Salvadoran & Chinese & Russian Various African Countries Weapons Re-allow banned Weapons & Parts Kits to America, The will make CCW,CHL,CWP RECIPROCITY the law of the land ...
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It's a topic that has been beaten to death yet will continue to be a point of discussion up to election day. It bears repeating and rehashing simply because there are too many people who continue to blindly support the unconvicted felon with no cares about the ramifications her presidency will have on the Constitution, especially 2A.

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I think the 2nd amendment is in trouble. Over the next 4-8 years, at least 4 Justices will vacate their positions. Knowing her stance on the 2nd Amendment, it's not too difficult to predict how it will play out.

I am not a Trump's fan, but he maybe the only chance we got. Having said that, he turns out a lot of independent voters lately.

if Hillary wins the election, it could come to the point that you will have to fight or flight. Brace yourself.
Clinton or Trump, it does not matter.

They are not the ones who write legislation and they are not the ones who deem what legislation is important.

They are not an all powerful, unstoppable dictator and to pretend as much is disingenuous.
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They are not an all powerful, unstoppable dictator
No, but apparently the supreme court is.
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Clinton or Trump, it does not matter.

They are not the ones who write legislation and they are not the ones who deem what legislation is important.

They are not an all powerful, unstoppable dictator and to pretend as much is disingenuous.
You keep repeating this but me thinks you have lived in a cave.

Congress has been impotent to stop Obama for the most part; Obamacare, Executive Orders, and dozens of scandals which he has slow walked, and not prosecuting Hillary, for example. Congress was barely able to block gun control; a few more Dems in Congress and we'd have a new AWB today. State's have also enacted significant gun control and there is no longer a way to stop this with a 4-4 (and potentially be a liberal 5-4 or worse) SCOTUS.

About 10 states, in Obama's terms, enacted more and significant gun control which will never be overturned and will grow worse if the SCOTUS is tied or liberal.
* California has banned all AWBs and high cap mags last month
* Oregon has eliminated FTF sales
* WA has eliminated FTF sales
* CT has banned "Assault weapons"
* MA has banned "Assault weapons"
* NY has banned 8+ round mags
* CO has banned 15+ round mags
* MD enacted more gun control
I'm sure there's more I'm forgetting.
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You keep repeating this but me thinks you have lived in a cave.
And I'm convinced you are a "True Believer" who likes to personally insult when you have no better argument and for some reason think the GOP/Republicans are the "Great Saviors" who will make everything right.

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Congress has been impotent to stop Obama for the most part; Obamacare, Executive Orders, and dozens of scandals which he has slow walked, and not prosecuting Hillary, for example. Congress was barely able to block gun control; a few more Dems in Congress and we'd have a new AWB today. State's have also enacted significant gun control and there is no longer a way to stop this with a 4-4 (and potentially be a liberal 5-4 or worse) SCOTUS.
So you are saying that the President does not need Congress for any of the above, or that Congress was internally arguing?

You did not actually counter anything I stated, just kind of 'beat around the bush' to avoid any facts. Your Lawyer side is showing there, maybe you should try directness and honesty?

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About 10 states enacted more and significant gun control which will never be overturned and will grow worse if the SCOTUS is tied or liberal.
Wait, the President is in charge of state laws and SCOTUS now? Who knew!?


Those like you who are a "True Believer" and refuse to actually think about any opposing view are what has screwed us. Plain and simple.


Someone who blindly follows a party for whatever reason, is no different that the stereotypical Liberal everyone attacks on here. You have proven time and time again that your "Belief" in the GOP/Republicans is more akin to a religious belief, "Faith" than any actual reason.

That fact that every single time anyone opposes your opinion you return with personal and nasty attacks kind of proves that.

YOU ARE THE PROBLEM you just refuse to accept that "Your Team" are not the "Great Saviors" because your "Faith" will not allow it.
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No, but apparently the supreme court is.
Everyone seems to be afraid of the MSM or not being seen as "Politically Correct"

Every branch can be challenged, legally under The Constitution, most just lack the will to do anything about it.

Until we actually elect Representatives instead of Politicians, that will never change. Anyone who thinks either party is their "Great Savior" is an idiot.
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She will continue the attack on the Second Amendment via illegal Executive Orders. I think she will find a way (a crisis) to exploite in order to become the first tyrannical dictator. Obama proposed a version of Hitler's Enabling Act when he wanted to act unilaterally because the Republican Congress would not cooperate. During that speech, traitors applauded his supremacy talking about taking the step of becoming a full blown tyrant. Amerikans are dumb. Most idiots in country do not deserve freedom, and they do not even realize that they will not have it long.
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Hillary will appoint herself to the position of all-powerful dictator, kill the rest of the pro-2A supreme court just like they did with Scalia.
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Just for good measure guys, now is, " THE GOOD TIMES " to still buy something nice.

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Clinton or Trump, it does not matter.

They are not the ones who write legislation and they are not the ones who deem what legislation is important.

They are not an all powerful, unstoppable dictator and to pretend as much is disingenuous.
I agree, but the conservatives in office can't seem to find enough spine to do anything about it when the dictator in chief damages the 2nd ammendment through EO.. It is really troubling..
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The gun grab will come much later. First the people have to be complacent, comfortable, and unaware.
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I agree, but the conservatives in office can't seem to find enough spine to do anything about it when the dictator in chief damages the 2nd ammendment through EO.. I is really troubling..
They lack a spine not really against the President, but against the MSM and the Bureaucracy.

Best scenario, Trump is elected but the GOP suffers heavy losses in Congress.
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The gun grab will come much later. First the people have to be complacent, comfortable, and unaware.
+1 agreed
Its a 100 year plan, by 2034 they will all be gone through taxation, legal reforms and increasing prohibitions, but they are not stupid enough to try and rush in and grab them all at once, thats a suicide mission.
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It will come in October (Obama) and Hillery will promise to double down in her first term ,why are you guys giving cover to Far Left & Progs & Democrats until 2034 like until then its ok to vote turd party & Democrat ? sheesh
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Here is the Democratic platform and what Hillary plans on doing with guns...this is in writing direct from the DNC's site.

Preventing Gun Violence
With 33,000 Americans dying every year, Democrats believe that we must finally take sensible
action to address gun violence. While responsible gun ownership is part of the fabric of many
communities, too many families in America have suffered from gun violence. We can respect the
rights of responsible gun owners while keeping our communities safe. To build on the success of
the lifesaving Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, we will expand and strengthen
background checks and close dangerous loopholes in our current laws; repeal the Protection of
Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) to revoke the dangerous legal immunity protections
gun makers and sellers now enjoy; and keep weapons of war—such as assault weapons and large
capacity ammunition magazines (LCAM's)—off our streets. We will fight back against attempts
to make it harder for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives to revoke federal
licenses from law breaking gun dealers, and ensure guns do not fall into the hands of terrorists,
intimate partner abusers, other violent criminals, and those with severe mental health
issues. There is insufficient research on effective gun prevention policies, which is why the U.S.
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention must have the resources it needs to study gun
violence as a public health issue.

https://www.demconvention.com/wp-con...6-no-lines.pdf

Their platform is a joke because they have already admitted that "sensible gun control" and "common sense gun control" is a lure to make people feel good, but their real goal is a ban on eventually all guns. They outright say they will start with "assault weapons" and magazine bans.

The lying part is about the center for disease control...I'm sure they have all the data about gun violence from the FBI...if they aren't sharing it that's not our fault and they certainly shouldn't be funded into sharing it. More waste of money.
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But but the Democrats & Republicans are the same (Especially on 2A/RTKBA )
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It will come in October (Obama) and Hillery will promise to double down in her first term ,why are you guys giving cover to Far Left & Progs & Democrats until 2034 like until then its ok to vote turd party & Democrat ? sheesh

Because if they go door to door in October - there will be blood spilled. Its easier to errode rights between generations, because the new generations grow up believing the errosion is normal, and by then the old generation are too old to fight. Its a long term play that started in 1934 with the biggest US gun control act in history, the National Firearms Act.
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